Is Barack Obama a leader or a follower?

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Is Barack Obama a leader or a follower?

We all have watched President Obama during his impressive campaign speeches of hope and change, yet he came on the scene as a virtual unknown and still is.

I recall during one of his stump speeches, when questioned about his leadership and governing skills, and said he was indeed a leader, who has the experience and referred to his campaign of 2500 people involved, all under his leadership..Leadership ? I'm pretty certain that the daily activities and keeping the campaign on track, was more of action by others that actually delegated the events.

We know his tenure in the Illinois Senate was one of a follower, rather than leadership...There is no record of legislative signature bills and only piggybacked on other elder statesman's, who were the original signers and he simply back them.

His tenure in the US Senate was short to say the least, since much of his time was spent campaigning...

President Obama is a good listener, but appears overly cautious and uncertain on many major issues...Not what one expects from a leader..

When Barack Obama became President, his first action and a dismal failure, was appointments to key cabinet positions, where a few had to step aside and the ones that did get in, was simply on partisan lines and questionable to say the least... He did admit he screwed up, but did he screw up by not getting involved, again no leadership, or was the screw up by not anticipating the end result of his f?ting process...Again, another example of lack of leadership..

Then came the talk of the stimulus/spending bill...He wanted the finished product on his desk, pronto, without earmarks and pork and he would be involved in every step of the way..We now know that he was never even closely or remotely involved and allowed Speaker Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and her Democratic and lobbyist friends, to write the bill.

Upon signing the spending bill, he maintained his position of dire straights and the worse is still yet to come..He continued this same message of fear mongering and that we must have confidence in his spending bill..How can the folks have confidence, when the leader of the greatest country on earth, continues to expound with fear and dismay...This isn't a sign of leadership...The folks need to hear positive outlook and things will get much better, not this display and lack of confidence..The American people know very well that the economy is in the gutter..

I sometimes feel that President Obama who isn't totally honest with us, may even feel deep down that his spending bill won't work after all..He certainly is letting us in for a fall if it doesn't work and then, come back and say something like, well on my campaign trail, I did say it was a hard slog..Kind of inoculating himself for failure..

There are other recent and important events that display his lack of leadership.

Much talk about Gitmo and Electronic Snooping took front row seat during the campaign, where he repeatedly said that the first order, Gitmo would be closed and the pullback on snooping would be reviewed to insure Civil Liberties..Well Gitmo got put on the back burner for another year and as he stated many times on almost all controversial programs, "We are going to set up a commission to review these programs"..This is a position one takes, where there is no clear plan or objective and a level of uncertainty..

He was in Canada yesterday, his first foreign trip and was asked about NAFTA..His answer was a complete reversal from his campaign and although skirted around the question to throw the far left of his party a bone of appeasement...He still maintains his long standing position, but economics changed the equation..This is probably true, but free trade is part of the overall economic picture to secure the economy for future growth and again his stance on this issue during the campaign, was for the benefit of his far left party...

His position on Iraq is well known and that he would end and scale back US troops presence..The latter has nothing to do with him, as this was a big win for President Bush and handed Obama a no-brainer...We see now that isn't as easy as his long standing position and leaves Iraq to his Military advisors and smartly so..His position on Afghanistan is as well known..This was the real front on the war on terror, in his words...The phrase, the " War on Terror " is no longer acceptable and the Administration is having a very difficult time trying to come up with other terms to describe this, only to again, appease...What you are now witnessing, with respect to the War on Terror, is something you do not hear much about and the recent example is the movement of troops to Afghanistan..This has not been in the liberal press or Obama speaks much about..Probably a good thing, since it would only upset the liberal left of his party that hates everything military. As with the Clinton administration and generally with Democratic administrations of the past, Foreign policy always seem to take a back seat..This is partly due to the protectionism that Unions demand, since economic development and military go hand-in-hand and compromises is not in the equation.. Unions want their agenda to go global..lol

President Obama, unlike Bill Clinton, I believe is a man of deep conviction and principled and would like to do what HE believes is best for the country...Bill Clinton was all about Bill Clinton...

I don't view the same ideology as Obama..I have very little faith in a huge bureaucracies as the US Government, thinking they can best manage our way out of this current economic climate...A partnership of private and government is the best solution to get us back on track and the Obama administration and their socialist agenda, which we all know from history, is doomed to fail.

We now have the bailout of homeowners with another $75B spending bill for folks that in the first place, should not have gotten the home loan..Sure there are folks, that need help and rightfully so and most banks will be too eager to assist, since banks are not in the business to own homes and foreclosure is red ink on their books..This $75B awards bad behavior and continues with the failed policy of Freddie and Fannie that got us in this mess.

Well, this is now President Obama's economy and the War on Terror and the blame can no longer be put on the last administration...In time, these events will determine his presidency as successful or failure, but at the present, his leadership skills, still remains questionable..He is finding that it's much more difficult to be president, than campaigning for president..

The American people want our leaders to display a level of confidence and positive hope for our future and it would be advisable for President Obama to change his rhetoric, from doom and gloom, to a better tomorrow..Daily negative speeches only exacerbates the prolong recovery, as folks and business will continue to sit on the sidelines..This will go along way for the folks and give the spark that our economy needs during these hard and difficult times..

Have a good day
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Hey Carl,

You've been awfully fucking quiet for the last 5 or so years.

Why don't you give it a rest until the dust settles.

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Well, this is now President Obama's economy and the War on Terror and the blame can no longer be put on the last administration...

Interesting perspective - many sensible economists over the past few years (and one poster in this forum in particular) have maintained that the previous administration's policies carry over for quite a while into the new one. And the War on Terror was COMPLETELY an outlook and position created by the Bush administration. It remains a nebulous one, one that cannot be measured, and pinpointed - it can only be used as fodder for those who created it and believe in it as future failure by those who don't completely agree with it.

Bush had to deal with what Clinton created economically. It was not his fault when things headed south, we are asked to believe. And now, you dismiss the current situation as Obama's in the first month of his administration, and no blame can be placed on the actions of the previous EIGHT YEARS.

Any "war on terror" scenario is now completely Obama's fault, and it can no longer be blamed on George Bush. Even though, the "war on terror" was completely created by the George Bush administration.

Your assessment is incredibly self-serving, evasive, and convenient - for those not paying attention. Sad, really. Dismissive, and vindictive. I'd say it's an ongoing extension of the Bush value system, which most people at this point find difficult to defend.

Plenty to find fault with in the actions being undertaken by the new people in charge. I'm on board with some of the criticism. But the comments I highlighted are worth pointing out, IMO. Trying to totally hide from the truth, and blurring reality are quite another thing.

Carry on.
 

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Interesting perspective - many sensible economists over the past few years (and one poster in this forum in particular) have maintained that the previous administration's policies carry over for quite a while into the new one. And the War on Terror was COMPLETELY an outlook and position created by the Bush administration. It remains a nebulous one, one that cannot be measured, and pinpointed - it can only be used as fodder for those who created it and believe in it as future failure by those who don't completely agree with it.

Bush had to deal with what Clinton created economically. It was not his fault when things headed south, we are asked to believe. And now, you dismiss the current situation as Obama's in the first month of his administration, and no blame can be placed on the actions of the previous EIGHT YEARS.

Any "war on terror" scenario is now completely Obama's fault, and it can no longer be blamed on George Bush. Even though, the "war on terror" was completely created by the George Bush administration.

Your assessment is incredibly self-serving, evasive, and convenient - for those not paying attention. Sad, really. Dismissive, and vindictive. I'd say it's an ongoing extension of the Bush value system, which most people at this point find difficult to defend.

Plenty to find fault with in the actions being undertaken by the new people in charge. I'm on board with some of the criticism. But the comments I highlighted are worth pointing out, IMO. Trying to totally hide from the truth, and blurring reality are quite another thing.

Carry on.


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Karl, Karl, Karl.....

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Nice read Equity Trader, same views I share as well as slightly less than half the nation at this point. Keep up the good work....:toast:
 

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On economics.. It takes approx. 18 months from inital government action as what Reagan did..Reducing capital gains, actually did more good and dribble down to main street and had a positive effect. This happened.

When carter left, the economy was in worse shape and unemployment was at 10% verses now 7%.

Reducing payroll and corporate tax deduction is an immediate and a stimulate effect.

However, when Clinton was campaigning, Carvile coined the phrase " It's the economy stupid"..Ironicaly, most of the liberal press marched with those words and the ink wasn't even dry when Clinton took office. The economy was on a rebound and within days of taking office,The New York times, actually printed and said "Maybe the economy isn't as bad as we first thought....Actually the last 2 quarters of the first Bush admin, the economy was on a up swing..Thank you Reagan capital tax cut..

It's interesting how when Bush 43 got into office and then, 8 months we got hit (9/11) and Bush 43 was blamed for that....That didn't stop the blame Bush for everything that went wrong.

Yes we should wait and see this new spending package,but countries from Peru,Argentina,Germany and the UK and most recently Japan (mid 90s) all tried to stimulate through huge spending..They all built bridges to no where, only to find themselves with devalued currency that bankrupted each of these countries..That produced hyper-inflation and Japan is still in contraction at a rate of 10%.

Margret Thacher took Britan out of their problem by reorganizing the UNIONs and set positive fiscal policy.

If this doesn't work in the US..Their only course is to do one of two..First raise your taxes beyond your imagination and the other is to print money..The latter is probably a non-starter since that would devalue and really put a cost on a loaf of bread equal to your 6 pack... and we are now seeing higher taxes across the land.

No, bailouts without tax reduction support will only cause more hardship..

I will be back in 18 months and we can see where this is heading.

Have a good day
Varok
 

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Take it easy on Varok, peeps - it can't be easy being a penny stock pumper and dumper these days.

Hope you have better days ahead, sir. The thing that I love about dealing in penny stocks is you never have to worry about whether or not you're dealing with slime. . . . . because they're all slime.
 

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Here's something I don't really understand. Varok, in your two possible things to do if this doesn't work, you say we have to either print money, or raise taxes. I assume that you are suggesting both would bring more dollars into the system. And yet, when conservatives in general talk about ways to increase dollars into the system, they say - as you did previously - that lowering taxes brings dollars into the system. Raising taxes is always ridiculed as a way to bring in money, and yet its one of only two ways to make it happen as a future solution? Seems to me, that taxes remain a blurry issue, when it comes to good and bad. It's a solution, but it's not a solution, kind of thing.
 

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Great post Varok

Great post Varok

Tells it like it is. I have a feeling that our Economy is headed for a real bad turn before it gets better. Interesting to watch the National news last night. Clinton was on trying to give Obama advice on the economy. His thoughts were you (Obama) should be more positive, things will get better. Maybe he was drunk or on drugs. How has the market done since Obama has been in office? I know it takes time for a market correction but taxing and spending is not the solution. That seems to be the current administrations "solution."

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