Is it time......
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Been on vacation, Duff.
South Beach is nice this time of year.
Point is, there is no point in arguing with idiots.
Airportis fits the bill.
Crazy people kill people.
Statistically, there are millions of guns in the hands of lawful owners that do no harm...many many more there than in the hands of the crazy and the criminal.
Girl killed in Chicago the other day in a GUN FREE ZONE. How well did that LAW work for her? Basically let the gang-banger know that he was the only one in the area with a gun.
How long has it been since a school fire killed a kid? Maybe 50 years? Why?
Improved building materials no doubt but also a fire escape plan that is taught to the staff and kids. Local authorities know the drill for each school.
No reason why schools can not implement an active shooter drill and practice it in the same way.
USA created the Dept of Homeland Security to deal with terrorists. They created the TSA and spent trillions to make us feel more safe when we fly. I would say this would fall into their scope as I can't imagine what would be more terrifying to a parent than a school shooting.
Locked front doors with live camera viewing and permission for access would be a start.
Adding an armed retired police officer or military vet to each school would be another good start.
Please don't tell me kids would be scared to see an officer at school. Most local high schools around me have a DARE officer in the school at least one a week, if not more. If police are so scary, why do people ask to have tours of the police department for Boy Scout and Girl Scout trips.
It is a proven fact police or authority figures deter criminal activity. Easiest place to start is there.
Holding Big Pharma accountable for the side effects of their 'safe' pyscho-tropics would be another great avenue to explore.
South Beach is nice this time of year.
Point is, there is no point in arguing with idiots.
Airportis fits the bill.
Crazy people kill people.
Statistically, there are millions of guns in the hands of lawful owners that do no harm...many many more there than in the hands of the crazy and the criminal.
Girl killed in Chicago the other day in a GUN FREE ZONE. How well did that LAW work for her? Basically let the gang-banger know that he was the only one in the area with a gun.
How long has it been since a school fire killed a kid? Maybe 50 years? Why?
Improved building materials no doubt but also a fire escape plan that is taught to the staff and kids. Local authorities know the drill for each school.
No reason why schools can not implement an active shooter drill and practice it in the same way.
USA created the Dept of Homeland Security to deal with terrorists. They created the TSA and spent trillions to make us feel more safe when we fly. I would say this would fall into their scope as I can't imagine what would be more terrifying to a parent than a school shooting.
Locked front doors with live camera viewing and permission for access would be a start.
Adding an armed retired police officer or military vet to each school would be another good start.
Please don't tell me kids would be scared to see an officer at school. Most local high schools around me have a DARE officer in the school at least one a week, if not more. If police are so scary, why do people ask to have tours of the police department for Boy Scout and Girl Scout trips.
It is a proven fact police or authority figures deter criminal activity. Easiest place to start is there.
Holding Big Pharma accountable for the side effects of their 'safe' pyscho-tropics would be another great avenue to explore.
I'm not entirely sure that this would work with those that are determined to commit mass murder and "go out in a blaze of glory." In fact, I would even argue that an eventual showdown with armed police officers is what they seek. Same goes for the real hard core bangers who have no fear of "authority."
Although police officers may deter the petty criminals, there's no way that they scare those that have a death wish and are determined to kill - regardless. You know, the ones who somehow also gain access to a lethal arsenal - whether it be legally or illegally.
Peace!
So, i was bumping down the highway last night, going the wrong way, at 91 mph....I had a 144 ounce Mountain Dew between my legs - gotta love the brominated vegetable oil - and 2 -40 count McNuggets on the seat next to me - the discarded wrappers from the last of my hoard of Twinkies lay scattered around my feet.....my cell phone was ringing off the hook, the base was pumping out of my subwoofers and, I was trying to put on lipstick using my rear view mirror...
when this thought occurred to me....
rewind to Sandy Hook -
you hear that a tragedy has happened at an elementary school and there are many dead teachers and children....
....but the shooter is not identified as Adam Lanza. The shooter is Mansour al Bakrani and al Qaeda has taken responsibility for his actions.
This debate would be completely changed - you would hear people screaming for police or military presence at schools.
Why ?
The end result is the same. Dead children and teachers - either way, killed by a deranged person. So why is the debate different?
when this thought occurred to me....
rewind to Sandy Hook -
you hear that a tragedy has happened at an elementary school and there are many dead teachers and children....
....but the shooter is not identified as Adam Lanza. The shooter is Mansour al Bakrani and al Qaeda has taken responsibility for his actions.
This debate would be completely changed - you would hear people screaming for police or military presence at schools.
Why ?
The end result is the same. Dead children and teachers - either way, killed by a deranged person. So why is the debate different?
The debate would absolutely change given the history of racism in the West, not to mention the promotion of nationhood and the use of fear as a control mechanism by those in power.
Henry's most recent book, Youth In Revolt: Reclaiming a Democratic Future actually addresses this issue:
"even as US popular culture increasingly circulates images of mind-crushing brutality, American political culture in a similar fashion now functions like a theater of cruelty in which spectacles and public policies display gratuitous and unthinking violence toward the most vulnerable groups in the country, especially children. Despite persistent characterizations of terrorists as ?other,? the greatest threat to US security lies in homegrown, right-wing extremism of a kind similar to that espoused by Anders Behring Breivik who in July 2011 bombed government buildings in Oslo, kill*ing eight people, and then went on a murderous shooting rampage in Norway, killing sixty-nine youths attending a Labor Party camp. The eruption of violent speech and racist rhetoric within US political discourse indicates a growing tolerance at the highest levels of government of extremist elements and the authoritarian views and racist hatred they deploy to advance their agenda?which includes dismantling the social state, legitimating a governing apparatus based on fear and punish*ment, undermining critical thought and education through ap*peals to conformity and authoritarian populism, and disposing of all populations deemed dangerous and threatening to the dominance of a white conservative nationalism." - Giroux, 2012
For me, the point remains: mass murders are being committed by those who are able and willing to kill at any cost, aided by the (mostly legal) arsenal that they have access to.
That's fairly straightforward and simplistic and difficult to argue against. What then becomes more complex is how to go about solving the problem.
Quite true. I have no objection to increased school safety, but....it isn't just schools. It's all sorts of places where groups gather.
Look at mass shootings - the weapon is virtually always a high cap semi-auto.
I don't worry about the 99.9% who use firearms for sport or legitimate self defense, but they can do those things quite well with guns limited to, say, 9 rounds for revolvers, four rounds for rifles, and three rounds for semi-auto shotguns.
Nobody "needs" a semi-auto pistol. I can assure you that a .357 revolver will stop all the bad guys you'll ever encounter. Line 'em up 3 deep, and the slug will come out the back of the third one. A .30-'06 will do four.
A 12 ga shotgun loaded with either slugs or OO buck will stop a grizzly, one shot. That's exactly what the Alaskan rangers use in bear country, and it'll blow a gangsta to Hell and back, and it's what most police and highway patrol carry for serious work.
Get rid of high cap quick change mags, and we'll save some lives.
Instant background checks for all gun sales. That will stop some criminals from getting guns. In fact I'd favor
a permit for ALL gun ownership. It can be a simple shall-issue law which excepts only criminals and those with mental health problems. Get caught with a gun and no permit, you become a felon. Transfer a gun w/o background check, go to jail.
Yes, there will still be the battered wife who blows her husband away. So be it. The second time he slaps her around should be justifiable homicide anyway. And the armed stick-up guy? Let the store clerk feed him some lead. 9 rounds will be plenty. In fact I know a jeweler here who tends his store in a rough part of town with a .38 on his hip. He's shot three perps who entered his store armed. One gut shot each, and they were down instantly. All three survived and are now in jail.:0008
Well if you are in the area you should stop by north Saint Louis, just hang out for a half hour if you can and let me know if less than 10 rounds is enough or if it would make you feel safe. All of a sudden an AK-47 might be chump change.
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I'm not a black gangsta living in St. Louis. Are you?
If semi-auto, quick change 10+ mags were outlawed, and if there were universal transfer laws along with mandatory permit for all firearms, I expect the police could make a sweep, house-by-house if necessary, fill a dumpster with guns, and fill the jail with felons.
You may recall that Dodge City was at one time was more lawless than St. Louis is now. It was cleaned up in short order with strict laws and stricter enforcement.
The reputation of Dodge as a hell on earth with an overflowing Boot Hill dated from its time as the rowdy end of the track of the westward-building Santa Fe railroad. When things got out of hand, a city government was organized. Laws were drawn up banning livestock on the sidewalks; horses above the ground floor; public drunkenness and disorderly conduct; the carrying of guns within the town limits (all who entered had to place their weapons on pegs provided in most public places), and the discharge of firearms within the city limits except on such holidays as the Fourth of July and New Year's Day.
The gun toter was subject to being shot on sight by the town police. Strict gun control was vital for public safety.
Of course the NRA/Second Amendment whiners were laughed at.
If my postal address being saint louis means I'm a black gangsta then yes, I am, but what does that have to do with the price of AK's in China :facepalm:
Laws and anything short of a nuke are not going to clean it up in short order I can tell you that. These thugs shoot at the police like it's nothing.
You live in a dream land if you think there are places and times where a clip holding less than 10 rounds is ample. New laws are not going to rid north saint louis of gun crime but i would love to see you help by going door to door :mj07: :violin: :sadwave:
Laws and anything short of a nuke are not going to clean it up in short order I can tell you that. These thugs shoot at the police like it's nothing.
You live in a dream land if you think there are places and times where a clip holding less than 10 rounds is ample. New laws are not going to rid north saint louis of gun crime but i would love to see you help by going door to door :mj07: :violin: :sadwave:
You're obviously a moron.
A half dozen platoons of ordinary grunts with shoot-to-kill orders would clean out all the gangstas in SL over a weekend.
50 homeboys with sideways Glocks wouldn't stand a chance against 6 PFCs who knew what to do with body armor, night vision, and M-16s. Ten minutes in, the score would be 50/0.
