is killing a sin
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just saw it
just saw it
was he stabbed?....beaten to death?.....maybe a contract taken out by someone on the outside?.....
hard to feel a lot of sympathy for geoghan,but i have to say that when the state takes someone into custody in a situation like this,they do have some responsibility for their safety.....
that said(and i know it`s not a popular stance),many will believe he got what he deserves.....and i can fully understand that sentiment....probably the most disgusting crime i can think of....and being a priest....it boggles the mind...
never having been abused,or having had children abused(that i`m aware of),i doubt that i could beat an old man to death.....of course,if i had walked a mile in the victim`s shoes,i might be singing a different tune....
just saw it
was he stabbed?....beaten to death?.....maybe a contract taken out by someone on the outside?.....
hard to feel a lot of sympathy for geoghan,but i have to say that when the state takes someone into custody in a situation like this,they do have some responsibility for their safety.....
that said(and i know it`s not a popular stance),many will believe he got what he deserves.....and i can fully understand that sentiment....probably the most disgusting crime i can think of....and being a priest....it boggles the mind...
never having been abused,or having had children abused(that i`m aware of),i doubt that i could beat an old man to death.....of course,if i had walked a mile in the victim`s shoes,i might be singing a different tune....
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You never know he may have got the old broom stick up the a//.
Someone kills someone it's a crime. To some it's not a sin.
Someone kills someone it's a crime. To some it's not a sin.
I hope he got the broomstick...and I hope he suffered (died shortly after he was attacked so at least it wasn't a sudden death). As for his victims....I'm sure they'll be having a party sometime soon.......
guys like this deserve to suffer...and then die.....that's my opinion
guys like this deserve to suffer...and then die.....that's my opinion
well, if he wouldn't have raped all those children, he wouldn't have been convicted and put in jail. It's really his own fault he got murdered. I don't believe in Karma, but I guess that would define what happened to him.
well hey now....
Pedophile Ex-Priest Is Killed in Prison
By ROBERT O'NEILL, Associated Press Writer
BOSTON - Former priest John Geoghan, the convicted child molester whose prosecution sparked the sex abuse scandal that shook the Roman Catholic Church nationwide, died Saturday after another inmate attacked him in prison.
Geoghan was injured in an incident with another inmate about noon and died shortly after being taken to Leominster Hospital, said Department Of Correction spokeswoman Kelly Nantel.
The incident happened just after lunchtime at Souza-Baranowski Correction Center, about 30 miles northwest of Boston, Nantel said. Geoghan was being held in protective custody to shield him from the general prison population, but he still had some contact with other inmates, Nantel said.
The other inmate was being held in isolation and the incident is under investigation, she said. She declined to give further details.
In civil lawsuits, more than 130 people have claimed Geoghan sexually abused them as children during his three decades as a priest at Boston-area parishes. He was convicted last year of indecent assault and battery for fondling a 10-year-old boy at a swimming pool.
Mitchell Garabedian, an attorney for many Geoghan victims, said he was "surprised and shocked" by Geoghan's death.
"Many of my clients would have rather seen Father Geoghan serve out his time in jail and endure the rigors of further criminal trials, so that his pedophile acts could have been exposed further," he said.
Geoghan often targeted boys from broken homes, ingratiating himself during frequent visits or fun outings. One victim said Geoghan molested him as the two were driving home from getting an ice cream cone. Others said Geoghan molested them after visiting their rooms at bedtime to tuck them in, sometimes while whispering prayers.
The church abuse scandal, which has had repercussions worldwide, broke in early 2002 with revelations that the Boston Archdiocese had shuttled Geoghan from parish to parish despite warnings about his behavior.
The scandal mushroomed after a judge ordered the release of archdiocese files involving dozens of priests, showing repeated examples of the archdiocese shipping priests to different parishes when allegations arose.
Soon dioceses and bishops across the country came under scrutiny for their handling of abuse allegations over the years, with the church tainted by scandal in many states. With the public outcry reaching a new crescendo, the bishops adopted a toughened policy against sex abuse and more than 325 priests of the roughly 46,000 American clergy were either dismissed or resigned from their duties in the year after the Geoghan case.
David Clohessy, national director of the Chicago-based Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, said what made Geoghan's case more "than just a single case about a single predator" was that it revealed the corruption in the church.
"In many respects, Geoghan is not the pivotal figure, it's the people who he wounded and still came forward and the bishops who enabled him but were finally exposed," he said.
Geoghan was ousted from the priesthood in 1998 at the urging of Cardinal Bernard Law. The Geoghan case was one of several that led to Law resigning in December over his mishandling of abuse cases.
Rev. Christopher Coyne, a spokesman for the Archdiocese of Boston, offered prayers for Geoghan's family.
"Upon hearing the news of the tragic death of John Geoghan, the Archdiocese of Boston offers prayer for the repose of John's soul, and extends its prayers in consolation to his beloved sister, Kathy, at this time of personal loss," he said.
Geoghan was convicted in January 2002 for grabbing the buttocks of a 10-year-old boy in 1991 in the first of three criminal cases against him. He was sentenced to nine to 10 years in prison.
Most of the allegations against Geoghan did not lead to criminal charges because the statute of limitations had expired.
In September 2002, the archdiocese settled with 86 Geoghan victims for $10 million, after pulling out of an earlier settlement of about $30 million.
One of those victims, Ralph DelVecchio, said Geoghan deserved prison but didn't deserve to be killed.
"I wouldn't say he deserved to die, you know?" DelVecchio said. "He was in jail ? that's where I believed he should be."
DelVecchio said he didn't wish ill on Geoghan.
"It's over with," he said.
A recent report by state Attorney General Thomas Reilly estimated that more than 1,000 children were abused by priests in the Boston archdiocese in the last 60 years. The Boston Archdiocese has offered $65 million to settle cases filed by more than 540 alleged victims.
On Saturday, the archdiocese announced that four priests had taken voluntary leaves of absence in response to allegations of sexual misconduct with minors. The church had asked the priests to step aside until the alleged incidents ? all said to have occurred decades ago ? are investigated and resolved.
Pedophile Ex-Priest Is Killed in Prison
By ROBERT O'NEILL, Associated Press Writer
BOSTON - Former priest John Geoghan, the convicted child molester whose prosecution sparked the sex abuse scandal that shook the Roman Catholic Church nationwide, died Saturday after another inmate attacked him in prison.
Geoghan was injured in an incident with another inmate about noon and died shortly after being taken to Leominster Hospital, said Department Of Correction spokeswoman Kelly Nantel.
The incident happened just after lunchtime at Souza-Baranowski Correction Center, about 30 miles northwest of Boston, Nantel said. Geoghan was being held in protective custody to shield him from the general prison population, but he still had some contact with other inmates, Nantel said.
The other inmate was being held in isolation and the incident is under investigation, she said. She declined to give further details.
In civil lawsuits, more than 130 people have claimed Geoghan sexually abused them as children during his three decades as a priest at Boston-area parishes. He was convicted last year of indecent assault and battery for fondling a 10-year-old boy at a swimming pool.
Mitchell Garabedian, an attorney for many Geoghan victims, said he was "surprised and shocked" by Geoghan's death.
"Many of my clients would have rather seen Father Geoghan serve out his time in jail and endure the rigors of further criminal trials, so that his pedophile acts could have been exposed further," he said.
Geoghan often targeted boys from broken homes, ingratiating himself during frequent visits or fun outings. One victim said Geoghan molested him as the two were driving home from getting an ice cream cone. Others said Geoghan molested them after visiting their rooms at bedtime to tuck them in, sometimes while whispering prayers.
The church abuse scandal, which has had repercussions worldwide, broke in early 2002 with revelations that the Boston Archdiocese had shuttled Geoghan from parish to parish despite warnings about his behavior.
The scandal mushroomed after a judge ordered the release of archdiocese files involving dozens of priests, showing repeated examples of the archdiocese shipping priests to different parishes when allegations arose.
Soon dioceses and bishops across the country came under scrutiny for their handling of abuse allegations over the years, with the church tainted by scandal in many states. With the public outcry reaching a new crescendo, the bishops adopted a toughened policy against sex abuse and more than 325 priests of the roughly 46,000 American clergy were either dismissed or resigned from their duties in the year after the Geoghan case.
David Clohessy, national director of the Chicago-based Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, said what made Geoghan's case more "than just a single case about a single predator" was that it revealed the corruption in the church.
"In many respects, Geoghan is not the pivotal figure, it's the people who he wounded and still came forward and the bishops who enabled him but were finally exposed," he said.
Geoghan was ousted from the priesthood in 1998 at the urging of Cardinal Bernard Law. The Geoghan case was one of several that led to Law resigning in December over his mishandling of abuse cases.
Rev. Christopher Coyne, a spokesman for the Archdiocese of Boston, offered prayers for Geoghan's family.
"Upon hearing the news of the tragic death of John Geoghan, the Archdiocese of Boston offers prayer for the repose of John's soul, and extends its prayers in consolation to his beloved sister, Kathy, at this time of personal loss," he said.
Geoghan was convicted in January 2002 for grabbing the buttocks of a 10-year-old boy in 1991 in the first of three criminal cases against him. He was sentenced to nine to 10 years in prison.
Most of the allegations against Geoghan did not lead to criminal charges because the statute of limitations had expired.
In September 2002, the archdiocese settled with 86 Geoghan victims for $10 million, after pulling out of an earlier settlement of about $30 million.
One of those victims, Ralph DelVecchio, said Geoghan deserved prison but didn't deserve to be killed.
"I wouldn't say he deserved to die, you know?" DelVecchio said. "He was in jail ? that's where I believed he should be."
DelVecchio said he didn't wish ill on Geoghan.
"It's over with," he said.
A recent report by state Attorney General Thomas Reilly estimated that more than 1,000 children were abused by priests in the Boston archdiocese in the last 60 years. The Boston Archdiocese has offered $65 million to settle cases filed by more than 540 alleged victims.
On Saturday, the archdiocese announced that four priests had taken voluntary leaves of absence in response to allegations of sexual misconduct with minors. The church had asked the priests to step aside until the alleged incidents ? all said to have occurred decades ago ? are investigated and resolved.
I think that believing in an afterlife myself that death was doing this guy a favor........................Serving his sentence would have been more servere especially since he is catholic and believes in a forgiving god..................What he did was very sick but even if it had been 1 of my boys I think I would have rather seen him do his time and suffer, not die thats just to easy.............IMO
THere are a few cops and sheriffs on my wife's side...mother and father...to put it bluntly there is a code amongst prisoners...and it does no bode very well for any child molesters etc...
I am quite sure bubba gave him the broomstick, and quite sure it could have been seen in his throat!
Can't say that I disagree...
I am quite sure bubba gave him the broomstick, and quite sure it could have been seen in his throat!
Can't say that I disagree...
A code amongst prisoners....
A code amongst prisoners....
Well,
Of course killing is a sin!
Or .....if you don't believe in sins then killing is flat out wrong.
We sure have a "killing" mentality in this country and frankly "its scary" not the kinda USA I want for my kids and grandkids.
Compare deaths by guns in the good old USA with Canada where there are plenty of guns.... USA doesnt have double, not triple, its something like 100 times as many deaths caused by gunshot anually.
CODE of the prisoners....bullshit... I know it exists but who put those bastards in charge. I'll never defend Gohegan or any other pedophile......nor will I defend the guy who took his life. JMHO
A good controversial subject Ray
bear
A code amongst prisoners....
Well,
Of course killing is a sin!
Or .....if you don't believe in sins then killing is flat out wrong.
We sure have a "killing" mentality in this country and frankly "its scary" not the kinda USA I want for my kids and grandkids.
Compare deaths by guns in the good old USA with Canada where there are plenty of guns.... USA doesnt have double, not triple, its something like 100 times as many deaths caused by gunshot anually.
CODE of the prisoners....bullshit... I know it exists but who put those bastards in charge. I'll never defend Gohegan or any other pedophile......nor will I defend the guy who took his life. JMHO
A good controversial subject Ray
bear
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Very well stated, bear.
I am distraught to hear how lightly people take someone taking another man's life. You may ask me how I would feel if it was one of my children. I don't know, but I hope I have it in me to forgive. It is not my place to judge his actions.
My question to you is how would you feel if it was one of your children? Everyone acts like it is. The victims and their families and friends have certainly had it worse than I can imagine, but how is this man's death going to make them feel better? It is not going to erase the anger or pain. It's not even going to ease it. Do you think that any of the victims have forgotten what happened just because another person that could not obey the laws of this country (or decency in general) decided to play God in this situation?
Just my thoughts.
I am distraught to hear how lightly people take someone taking another man's life. You may ask me how I would feel if it was one of my children. I don't know, but I hope I have it in me to forgive. It is not my place to judge his actions.
My question to you is how would you feel if it was one of your children? Everyone acts like it is. The victims and their families and friends have certainly had it worse than I can imagine, but how is this man's death going to make them feel better? It is not going to erase the anger or pain. It's not even going to ease it. Do you think that any of the victims have forgotten what happened just because another person that could not obey the laws of this country (or decency in general) decided to play God in this situation?
Just my thoughts.
Re: A code amongst prisoners....
Re: A code amongst prisoners....
It is true, though. These guys hate "Preds". I think they justify their crimes by thinking, "I would never do that!"
I hear that he was strangled.
Re: A code amongst prisoners....
bear said:
It is true, though. These guys hate "Preds". I think they justify their crimes by thinking, "I would never do that!"
I hear that he was strangled.
To some this may appear as a debate....it's not. Everyone has their own beliefs and principles in which they base their lives on...some good....some bad...some evil...some angelic. As for the use of hte word "code" well, you can;t argue with the truth...they do have it.
Did a man die because of it, yep. Am I distraught...I can't say that I am...quite sure the pain he put other's in from a trusted "official" is worse. DO I believe in an eye for an eye...guess I will never know TRULY until something is done to me or my family. (Which I hope and pray it doesn't happen to us and anyone reading this!)
I can say one thing though...someone touches my baby boy...I may not have pity on that person's soul...but you can bet I will be praying that the good Lord has pity on mine!
Did a man die because of it, yep. Am I distraught...I can't say that I am...quite sure the pain he put other's in from a trusted "official" is worse. DO I believe in an eye for an eye...guess I will never know TRULY until something is done to me or my family. (Which I hope and pray it doesn't happen to us and anyone reading this!)
I can say one thing though...someone touches my baby boy...I may not have pity on that person's soul...but you can bet I will be praying that the good Lord has pity on mine!
to answer raymond's question about killing being a sin......
obviously killing is a sin. however, imo people who commit 1st degree murderer, & are convicted of repeatedly raping young children or women deserve to be put to death.
obviously killing is a sin. however, imo people who commit 1st degree murderer, & are convicted of repeatedly raping young children or women deserve to be put to death.
