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N. Korea: 'Burning hatred' for U.S.


Amid a row over its nuclear weapons program, North Korea has fired a barb at Washington, saying it is ready to deliver "bitter defeat and death" to a threatening United States.

The declaration on Saturday follows a warning from the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) who said North Korea was the closest member of U.S. President Bush's "axis of evil" to building a functional nuclear weapon in terms of technical capability.


North Korea's aggressive stance -- coupled with Washington's accusation on Friday that Iran was also "actively working" on a nuclear weapons program -- threatens to distract the U.S. as it tries to disarm Iraq. North Korea, Iran and Iraq make up Bush's so-called "axis of evil."

Condemnation has mounted against Pyongyang since it upped the ante in the nuclear row with the United States by saying on Thursday it would restart a nuclear reactor mothballed since 1994 after a deal with the then-Clinton administration.

"The DPRK [Democratic People's Republic of Korea] remains unfazed as it has made full preparations to cope with the confrontation and clash with the Yankees," a commentary in the ruling party newspaper Rodong Sinmun said.

"The army and people of the DPRK with burning hatred for the Yankees are in full readiness to fight a death-defying battle," the commentary said, carried by the North's official Korean Central News Agency.

Concerns over North Korea's nuclear ambitions have mounted since Pyongyang said earlier this week it intended to "unfreeze" its nuclear program and a demand that the IAEA remove cameras and seals from nuclear waste facilities where spent fuel rods are kept.

Speaking about the threat posed by North Korea, Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the IAEA, described the situation as "tense."

"I appealed to them to rethink their positions," ElBaradei told CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "We are waiting for their response."

ElBaradei said North Korea already has the capability to build nuclear weapons, and that Iran lagged behind, followed by Iraq.

On Friday, the U.S. accused Iran of "actively working" on a nuclear weapons program and said that recent satellite photographs of a massive nuclear power construction project "reinforce" that belief. (U.S.: Iran working on nukes)

The renewed escalation of tensions between Pyongyang and Washington follows the stopping and boarding of a North Korean vessel carrying Scud missiles to Yemen by Spanish and U.S. forces in the Arabian Sea on Wednesday.

North Korea has accused the United States of "unpardonable piracy" in seizing the ship, which eventually was allowed to continue on to Yemen. (N. Korea hits out at U.S.)

North Korea agreed in 1994 to freeze its nuclear facilities, at least one of which was suspected of having the capability to produce weapons-grade plutonium, in return for regular shipments of heavy fuel oil and the promise of newer and safer nuclear reactors from the Japan, South Korea and the United States.

That deal averted a possible military confrontation between Pyongyang and Washington.

But North Korea said the "Agreed Framework" is no longer valid and that it is unfreezing the facilities because it needs the power generated by the nuclear plants since the fuel oil shipments were halted earlier this month.

The oil program was voided by the United States after North Korea divulged a few weeks ago that it was engaged in a "highly enriched uranium program" -- violating international agreements and the agreed framework.

ElBaradei said North Korea's response to entreaties from the IAEA has not been positive.

"I think it's much better to try to find a diplomatic solution," he said. "I'm encouraged that even Washington today is speaking of an agreed settlement."

In a telephone conversation on Friday, President Bush and South Korean President Kim Dae Jung agreed Friday that while North Korea's decision was regrettable and unacceptable, they would work with Japan and others to resolve the situation peacefully.

"The president will continue to work in concert with our allies," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said. "And the fact of the matter is diplomacy -- often the best diplomacy -- takes time. And that is something the president will continue to pursue." (N. Korean move 'unacceptable')

The most serious concern, ElBaradei said, is North Korea's demand for the removal of seals and cameras from the spent fuel rod storage site -- and warning that they would remove them if IAEA does not. Access to those rods, ElBaradei said, would give North Korea the material for plutonium and would be a serious breach.

"If they were to remove the seals or cameras it will be in serious violation of their non-proliferation obligation. We will have to go to the Security Council," he said.

But so far, North Korea has not requested the removal of the two on-site IAEA monitors -- the last barriers to a possible crisis with North Korea and the issue that pushed the United States close to war before the Agreed Framework was signed in 1994.

"We have our inspectors still on the ground, still monitoring the freeze of North Korean nuclear activities," ElBaradei said.

North Korea is closer to having nuclear weapons than either of its "axis of evil" companions, Iran and Iraq, ElBaradei said, but stressed that he could not address the intent of any of the three countries.

"We know at least that North Korea has a reprocessing plant, a process that ... reprocesses material into plutonium," he said. "They already have the technical capability if they want to have the plutonium."

"We do not know that Iran has an enrichment or reprocessing plant in operation. They don't have that capability yet."

"We know that Iraq, at least when we left in 1998, has no capability whatsoever to produce either a weapon or weapon-usable material," he said.

White House spokesman Fleischer, however, said the administration was less concerned with North Korea than Iraq "because the situation in Iraq involves somebody who has used force in the past to attack and invade his neighbors."

"That is not the history of North Korea for the last 50 years," he said. "The world cannot just be treated as a photocopy machine: the policies in one part of the world need to be identically copied through another. It's a much more complicated endeavor than that."

-- CNN's Christiane Amanpour and John King contributed to this report.
 

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You got to be shitten me. What threat is North Korea? They best be worried about their neighbor China and the other countries that border them and not U.S. if they get out of line.
---the biggest joke is they say they thought they did nothing wrong shipping arms,if they did not think so why do they not fly flag and hide em under tons of fertilzer.
The only thing N Korea has to its advantage is it borders S Korea and China and they know a conventional war is only opposition they would face without their neighbors suffering some demise from their anialation. If they were out on an island by themselves they would be timid as a mouse.
As far as them hating us.Big deal. They also hate
S Korea,UK,Australia and ever other free nation. I am much more concerned about S Korea being angry over the deaths of the young girls there that were killed in accident when US tank ran over them
 

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THE PROBLEM IS ALOT OF COUNTRY ARE GETTING NUKES!
AND THAT A BIG PROBLEM. BECAUSCE SOMEWHERE SOMEHOW
SOMEONE WILL USE THEM! AND ALL HELL WILL BREAK OUT!
AROUND THE WORLD. CAN SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL.
I HOPE THAT I AM WRONG. BUT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD.
 

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RAYMOND said:
THE PROBLEM IS ALOT OF COUNTRY ARE GETTING NUKES!
AND THAT A BIG PROBLEM. BECAUSCE SOMEWHERE SOMEHOW
SOMEONE WILL USE THEM! AND ALL HELL WILL BREAK OUT!
AROUND THE WORLD. CAN SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL.
I HOPE THAT I AM WRONG. BUT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD.

I am worried too RAYMOND we all are.

All it would take is us dropping a mini nuke on Iraq and India or Pakistan decides that might be a good time to let one loose.

The world would end in fire. Geezz didnt God say that one time... Yikes


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not shit we can do about it.. living in fear will do no good.. go out and live it up while we still can..

if it happens it happens..

carpe diem
 

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theGibber1 said:
not shit we can do about it.. living in fear will do no good.. go out and live it up while we still can..

if it happens it happens..

Thats what iam talking about :drinky:
 

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IMHO The chance of nuclear war is very remote. There are probably only 3 countries that could launch enough from the distance they are from US for any to get through and that threat is less than 10 years ago.
Being attacked from the air is slim as none of these smaller rouge countries have allies close to continental U.S.,I do think there is valid concern for terrorists slipping one inside U.S. and they apparently do have passive support as close as Hollywood and Berkley CA:(

Ya know I was watching movie last night,I don't recall the name,but it had Morgan Freeman(one of my favs) and
Ben A-something in it and was about possible nuke thing with Russia caused by 3rd party. It got me to think, what had to be going thru Presidents mind when he ordered the drop on Japan,and what went through pilots mind that dropped them at that time. I know innocent casulties in war is a certainty but nukes take no prisoners. It did save many american lives and ended war but at an extreme cost. In hindsight though,I believe that it may have prevented many confrontations of nations after that day as the realization of the consequences of war has served as a deterant. I do regret Bush even bringing up the word
nuke. While he has replaced many positions of late the primary one he needs to replace in my opinion is his speech writer. I believe the leader of our country needs to be firm and and other countries be made aware of same,but the sound of being firm and sounding like a bully is a fine line that must be weighed carefully.----and after the press gets done with portraying their interpretations it really gets out of line.
 

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Three reasons I will never worry about North Korea: Russia, China and Japan. You think any of these countries wants to see North Korea with an active nuclear program right in their own backyard? Say what you want about China, their politics aside, but they will never let North Korea have an active nuclear weapons program.

It is a lot of flash with little actual substance. In the grand scheme of things, North Korea means nothing.
 

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I am not nearly as worried about North Korea. South Korea should be worried about North Korea. But, I certainly wish we didn't live in such uncertain times. Before I say this, let me make it clear that I am not advocating it. However, it is something to consider, although the circumstances are entirely different. Prior to bringing about the end of WW2, we warned the Japanese that if they didn't surrender we would nuke them. Even after we dropped the first, they refused to surrender. Thankfully, after the second atom bomb, the Japanese surrendered. Yes, the collateral damage was horrendous. However, most historians agree that we saved hundreds of thousands of lives by using the atomic bomb, The carnage with ground troops would have been horrific had the war continued, especially considering Japan's reluctance to surrender. There are not easy parallels to today's situation. But what do you think would happen if the United States did simply go in and blow Iraq into oblivion? How would we, as a nation, react? How would the world react? Would it be worth it? Remember, I am not advocating this, so don't give me hell. I just wonder what would happen.
 

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Truth is who used the A Bomb, us. No one else has ever done it. Was it for a good reason. History said it was. If not done we would have or could have lost 50/60 thousand men invading Japan. We have been told this over and over and I believe it is very close to true. The big trouble with N Korea is they may already have the bomb. they also have missles with 600/800 mile range. That does place all of S Korea and Japan in there sites. What else bother me is N korea has built underground shelters that are very well equiped and can hold estimate only 1 million troops. Yes that number is correct. They have nothng else to do with this huge army of theirs so they build these huge sites underground in ever other hill thay have. They are still building more. They do not give a chit what happens to there genearl population. Never Have. This is all for military only. There leader is just as nuts as his dad was. So we say well that can't hurt us. OH but does it ever. We have 35 thousand trops in S Korea. It would only take in that small country about 3 or 4 Nukes to kill most of our men. That would end N Korea but by then it's to late. So yes we must pay attetiion. And maybe more then Iraq. At this point in time Iraq is not that well equiped. And last time I checked never killed over 40 thousand of our soldiers as N Korean war did.
 

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The dark side of the Moon
the world is in a sad state of affairs

priest molesting little boys

killing each other

kiddie porn

drugs

homeless people

aids



but i really hope raymond you really didn't think this was our home

because you will read in the good book where peter says we are in this world but not of this world

cause we all live under the reign of one king that ain't here anymore:D
 
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Don't know if you like reading Raymond, some people don't, but
if you want some good reading material that deals solely on this
subject and will open your eyes and make you think about it, go
down to book store and buy the first book in a series of I think
10 or 11 now, called Left Behind........you won't be able to put
them down once you start reading them......I've read 8 of them
so far......puts a whole new perspective in your mind and heart.
 

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North Korea is no threat, our stealth bombers could wipe them out in less than a minute. The relations we have built with Russia is extemely positive. They are the only country that is even remotely close to us in the arms race, and even they fear our capabilities when it comes to nuclear war.





The real worry is having a nuclear bomb falling into the hands of a terrorist. ONe of these crazy lunatics would love nothing better then to walk into a huge city with one strapped to his back and push the button.
 

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The dark side of the Moon
Affirmative may be justified
Take from one give to another
The goal is to be unified
Take my hand be my brother
The payment silenced the masses
Sanctified by oppression
Unity took a back seat
Sliding further in regression
One
The only way is one
I feel angry I feel helpless
Want to change the world
I feel violent I feel alone
Don't try and change my mind
Society blind by color
Why hold down one to raise another
Discrimination now on both sides
Seeds of hate blossom further
The world is heading for mutiny
When all we want is unity
We may rise and fall, but in the end
We meet our fate together
One
The only way is one
I feel angry I feel helpless
Want to change the world
I feel violent I feel alone
Don't try and change my mind
 
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