Is the war over?

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I just wish our troops would come home!!!

KHALDIYAH, Iraq (June 17) - A sniper killed a U.S. soldier on patrol in Baghdad with a single shot, while gunmen targeted Iraqi officials in nearby towns in drive-by shootings likely designed to intimidate them against cooperating with Americans, the military said Tuesday.

The sniper shot the soldier from the 1st Armored Division's 1st Brigade in the back as he rode in a Humvee about 11:30 p.m. Monday, said brigade spokesman Lt. Alex Kasarda. The gunman escaped.

Military officials said it was likely the bullet penetrated the soldier's flak vest, possibly by entering at an angle that missed an armored ceramic plate. The soldier's name was withheld until his family could be notified.

As the soldier was killed, dozens of members of the same brigade raided a cafe and religious school in the same neighborhood, a Sunni Muslim stronghold where resistance fighters have repeatedly ambushed U.S. troops.

During the raid, American troops captured 31 Iraqi men but did not find the resistance ringleaders they sought. The U.S. forces released the Iraqis Tuesday morning.

Kasarda said the two-vehicle convoy wasn't involved in the raid, but was seeking a former Iraqi missile compound when the sniper's bullet punctured the canvas top of the Humvee.

The violence came as U.S. military officials announced that American troops detained more than 400 people in three days of sweeps in Baghdad and northern Iraq to ''isolate and defeat remaining pockets of resistance that are seeking to delay the transition to a peaceful and stable Iraq.''

On Sunday, insurgents ambushed two U.S. military convoys north of Baghdad, wounding 10 soldiers and an unknown number of Iraqi civilians on a nearby bus.

About 50 American soldiers have died from hostile fire or in accidents in Iraq since the United States declared major combat operations over on May 1.

In Fallujah, 35 miles west of Baghdad, suspected anti-American insurgents fired shots into the mayor's office and the courthouse. In the nearby town of Khaldiyah, gunmen fired into a police station overnight Tuesday. There were no injuries reported.

U.S. forces have restored the authority of local government agencies in the area, working closely with mayors to coordinate aid, paying judges' salaries and rearming local police.

The shootings were the first known attacks directed against Iraqi officials for cooperating with U.S. forces and represented a possible new front for the insurgents, American officials said.

''There is an element of society here that doesn't want change and they see the coalition forces as bringing change in the form of freedom and democracy,'' said Col. David Perkins, commander of the 3rd Infantry Division's 2nd Brigade. ''Anyone they think is helping with that change they are going to try to intimidate and that won't work.''

The U.S. military entered its third day of a nationwide sweep dubbed Operation Desert Scorpion that aims to arrest anti-American insurgents and find heavy weapons.

In the northern towns of Tikrit and Kirkuk, coalition forces conducted dozens of raids and detained more than 200 people, said a statement from U.S. Central Command.

Troops in the Baghdad area staged 11 raids and detained 156 people, in addition to seizing 121 rifles, two submachine guns, 19 pistols, 18 rocket-propelled grenades, four machine guns, 31 pounds of explosives, and some chemical protective masks, the statement said.

The statement did not say how many peopled the U.S. forces released, but officers on the ground said many were set free after brief interrogations.

After barging into a tough Sunni Muslim neighborhood and seizing 44 men for questioning, U.S. soldiers released all but 13 on Tuesday. Truckloads of medical supplies seized in the raids were to be donated to a local hospital.

The Iraqis remaining in custody included three suspected of organizing and helping carrying out a June 1 ambush on U.S. troops in the Azamiyah neighborhood.

Army counterintelligence officers interrogated the captured Iraqis in hopes of gleaning information about the dozen or so Iraqi irregulars who shot and tossed grenades at soldiers from the U.S. Army's 1st Armored Division. The June 1 ambush at the Abu Hanifa mosque in east Baghdad injured two American soldiers and sparked a firefight that killed two Iraqis.

A pair of raids Monday capped weeks of painstaking intelligence gathering from Iraqi informants who picked out suspects' houses, as well as surveillance photos from U.S. Special Forces and satellite imagery, said Maj. Scott Bisciotti, an operations officer with 1st Armored.

''We've been pursuing every lead, trying to connect all the dots and develop targets,'' Bisciotti said.
 

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These are the types of stories that we'll be seeing until we're out of there, and that seems like a hell of a long way off. The American public can probably stomach seeing a couple of our soldiers killed per day on average for a while, but eventually we will tire of this and once we see the monetary costs mount and the lack of progress (who could possibly have expected any different) in establishing a democracy(lol), there will probably be a pretty strong movement to pull everybody out of there or to go attack another country.

Of course pulling out will only mean even more chaos, slaughter and possibly (don't laugh) even Saddam and/or his party leaders regaining control. So, predictably, we're stuck. Once again, Rummy and co. were so excited preparing a battle plan to defeat a virtually non-existent army, that they may just have overlooked this part of the 'war', and one of the most important part of any war plan. The exit strategy . There is none.
 

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it's easy to say, sitting in my house that this is expected, but it is expected. the allies had this same problem in germany & japan after ww2. we stayed about 7 or 10 years in each country.

one of the problems that i see in iraq & afghanistan is that the allies are constantly being questioned about their actions, while no one questions the actions of these bath party, alqaeda, or taliban memebers. i believe so called "rules" of combat should not be questioned when dealing with terrorists. in other words you have to fight the way the enemy fights, no questions asked.

the iraqi war has cost much less than the estimates projected prior to the war, so this should bide time before people start griping.
 

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I agree with you. We are bringing a knife to a gun battle. If they are shooting our soliders in the back why aren't we. Don't get me wrong I don't want to see anybody die who is innocent but it is so hard to tell the innocent from the guilty in this war.

God's Speed To All Of Our Soliders!!!

Melissa
 

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AR,

Of course it's expected. It definitely shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. But that doesn't change the utility, or lack thereof, of this operation. If anything, it should have given more people pause before this thing got this far.

The examples of the rebuilding of Germany and Japan are often cited. The thing is, Japan attacked our homeland and Germany almost certainly would have taken over Europe and possibly beyond if we didn't engage them. Comparing the threat and/or justification for spending tons of money and plenty of loss of life in the rebuilding of Iraq to the two aforementioned countries just doesn't cut it. Iraq was about 10th on the list of our greatest threats, if that, and I give it that ranking with the assumption that they actually *do* have WMD that aren't deteriorated. If they don't, then I would make them about 25th.

I also don't think coming in under estimations in the initial phase of the war matters too much in the long run. It won't be long before we fly past the original estimate. Having years of 100,000- 200,000 troops rotating to Iraq for police duty severely weakens our strategic capabilities in other parts of the world, bleeds money and dampens morale.

Sure, it was expected, but that doesn't justify it.
 

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according to the ex-cia head(forgot his name, but preceded tenent), the war against iraq was warranted.and, fwiw, i agree with him.

this ex-cia head testified in court that iraq was training alqaeda to hijack airplanes.he also presented evidence to this accusation & a judge who heard this ex-cia head's testimony ruled that there is a connection between iraq & alqaeda. i tend to think also that saddam or his minions dealt directly or indirectly with alqaeda, in training or medical care. i have copied & pasted nomerous articles from different writers, who presented evidence of a connection between alqaeda & iraq.

i also think that saddam was capable of handing wmd to terrorists(yes i believe he had wmd), & he may have done this already. israeli intelligence has reported that saddam sent wmd to syria.

i agree with you that the u.s. should have been better prepared for the clean-up of iraq. however, i think that the u.s. is finally on the right path.
 
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There were a few of us here that asked whats the out after we wipe them up in 30 days. Well it took 22 days and then 30 days later the Pres said wars over. So many said what to worry about were just going to kick there ass so good no problem. Problem was 60% of them worked for the government. Now there is none and they are just going to keep being trouble. I agree get our boys the hell out of there. Give the mess to the UN. Thats right if were not there for any other reason that WMD. Well time to turn the problem over to the UN. Or at least get 90% of our boys the hell out of there and get about 30 other countries to get some help in there. If we really dont give a chit about the oil or haveing bases there. Then lets go. If thats what it was all about in the first place. Oil and bases. Then have the balls to tell all of us the truth. This 40 dead now since war declared over is BS.
 

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the war is far from over , long way to go , this is the START OF IT ALL. America
must be READY TO GO TO ROUND THREE:bigun: :bigun: :bigun:
 

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2 more GI's gone. TBone not sure when round three is. But it's starting to look like we better finish round two first.
 

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Yet another has been killed. It's sad because our men are trained to be on the offense. We have them for the most part on the defense. There playing policeman. We dont need our soldiers doing that. We can send others that can handle it. I see some Mothers of these GI's and Wifes are starting to speak out. They think it's time we pull some out and replace with other troops. They feal as many do our folks did a job. It's done. I see no reason why a 25/75 split with other nations troops cant be done. We can stay in charge. We did the hardest part. At least that is what we are being told. So then let these other countries help with the easy part. Let them have 25 unsecassary deaths a month.
 

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DTB thats true. Plus another 45000 will be killed this year in auto accedents. Makes the number for 9/11 seem small. Almost makes you wonder if are priorities are right. Maybe we should stop the slaugter on our highways before we worry about couple of 100 here and there. And Im not being a smart ass. It just hit me what you said about those homocides. Hell thats just one big city . What is it nation wide 1500/2000 maybe more a year.
Blitz he did. And no one in the media including the right wing fox network misunderstood what he said. It's no big thing. The bigger item is, no real good plan was or still seems to be in place on how to finish up and get out.
 

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no one said it was over....we can't say it is over yet because of the Geneva Convention...(I think that is the reason why although I am not sure)

but there is some technical reason why we can't proclaim victory yet while we are still over there
 

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Was just trying to put things in prespective.
another example
Some buildings can be accidently destroyed by misguided bombs and people are in an uproar---however let a felon drive a motorcycle at absurb speeds avoiding police and illiterate assholes can purposely burn property and everyone makes excuses for them. :rolleyes:
 

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DTB, using your logic then it is okay to be a crack addict because there are some guys addicted to heroin? :rolleyes:
 

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This is to bad another one last last night. DTB Im sure haveing been through some of the chit we have. We understand there is no good way to die in the service. But these hit and run killings seems to really P me off.
 

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Troops are being attacked in Afghanistan also. It's not really over there also so it won't be in Iraq either anytime soon plus the longer we stay the more we will infuriate the populace. Quagmire. I for one eagerly await hellah10's observations if/when he comes back. Hopefully he is safe and sound.
 

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JT,


i guess if you were around right after ww2, you would have said quagmire also because the allies occupied both japan & germany for 7-10 years. unfortunately these problems in afghanistan iraq are expected.

earlier this week, the cbs web site reported that for the first time in its history the iraqi people participated in a opinion poll. the poll revealed that 65% of the iraqi people are glad that the allies are there. based on this it seems that only a few, but boisterous(sp?), are against the allies being in iraq. there are about 30,000 bath members who are causing these problems. they have lost their military or police jobs since saddam left & don't like it.
 
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