is there any dispute, this should cinch it, Bush WORST IN HISTORY
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DTB,
I almost hate to say it but I've come around quite a bit on Bush over the past couple of years.
He tried to push smart legislation on immigration and buying these illiquid assets but the capitulators to talk radio in his party screwed him. He made a great move with the surge (though I still think we'd have been better off not having invaded in the first place). His tax cuts grew revenues (again something I was initially against). And lastly he's had to do all of this during the explosion of the Internet, which makes it tough because communications advancements tend to lead to hostile political environments because it lets people in power hear the crazies in ways they previously couldn't (i.e. talk radio with Clinton).
I actually think he'd have gone down as a great president if not for two key mistakes: invading Iraq/Afghanistan instead of combating terrorism with police action and fostering the credit/housing boom by encouraging low interest rates, low income housing, deregulation, etc. Granted, those are two pretty big mistakes, but in the last two years I think he's improved greatly in both areas.
I almost hate to say it but I've come around quite a bit on Bush over the past couple of years.
He tried to push smart legislation on immigration and buying these illiquid assets but the capitulators to talk radio in his party screwed him. He made a great move with the surge (though I still think we'd have been better off not having invaded in the first place). His tax cuts grew revenues (again something I was initially against). And lastly he's had to do all of this during the explosion of the Internet, which makes it tough because communications advancements tend to lead to hostile political environments because it lets people in power hear the crazies in ways they previously couldn't (i.e. talk radio with Clinton).
I actually think he'd have gone down as a great president if not for two key mistakes: invading Iraq/Afghanistan instead of combating terrorism with police action and fostering the credit/housing boom by encouraging low interest rates, low income housing, deregulation, etc. Granted, those are two pretty big mistakes, but in the last two years I think he's improved greatly in both areas.
I actually think Adolph Hitler may have gone down in history as a great leader if he just wouldn't have tried to exterminate the entire Jewish race.
The Onion January 17, 2001:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784
Mere days from assuming the presidency and closing the door on eight years of Bill Clinton, president-elect George W. Bush assured the nation in a televised address Tuesday that "our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."
My fellow Americans," Bush said, "at long last, we have reached the end of the dark period in American history that will come to be known as the Clinton Era, eight long years characterized by unprecedented economic expansion, a sharp decrease in crime, and sustained peace overseas. The time has come to put all of that behind us."
Bush swore to do "everything in [his] power" to undo the damage wrought by Clinton's two terms in office, including selling off the national parks to developers, going into massive debt to develop expensive and impractical weapons technologies, and passing sweeping budget cuts that drive the mentally ill out of hospitals and onto the street.
During the 40-minute speech, Bush also promised to bring an end to the severe war drought that plagued the nation under Clinton, assuring citizens that the U.S. will engage in at least one Gulf War-level armed conflict in the next four years.
"You better believe we're going to mix it up with somebody at some point during my administration," said Bush, who plans a 250 percent boost in military spending. "Unlike my predecessor, I am fully committed to putting soldiers in battle situations. Otherwise, what is the point of even having a military?"
On the economic side, Bush vowed to bring back economic stagnation by implementing . . .
GL
That is correct--Chad
I see exact situation as Truman's
I must assume from timing of this thread that somehow Shamrock and his legion is blaming GW for this bill not passing--I would say he's done everything but get on his knees to get it passed--but not surprised by those with Shamrock's --It Gw's fault mentality--laying blame on him.
I'll defer and lay blame on 133 Republicans and 95 Democrats that voted no .
I'm especially disappoint in the Rebs on this vote--especially after the Barney Frank-Chris Dodd slush fund for liberal housing lobbies (ACORN)-- a plank to let judges shield deadbeat homeowners from bankruptcy laws--and a ploy to stack bank boards with union members was eliminated from package.
A little on ACORN
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/acorn_obama_and_the_mortgage_m.html
ACORN stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, a busy hive of left-wing agitation and "direct action" that claims chapters in 50 cities and 100,000 dues-paying members. ACORN is where Sixties leftovers who couldn't get tenure at universities wound up. That the bill-writing Democrats remembered their pet clients during such an emergency speaks volumes. This attempted gift to ACORN (stripped out of the bill after outraged howls from Republicans) demonstrates how little Democrats understand about what caused the mess we're in.
ACORN does many things under the umbrella of "community organizing." They agitate for higher minimum wages, attempt to thwart school reform, try to unionize welfare workers (that is, those welfare recipients who are obliged to work in exchange for benefits) and organize voter registration efforts (always for Democrats, of course). Because they are on the side of righteousness and justice, they aren't especially fastidious about their methods. In 2006, for example, ACORN registered 1,800 new voters in Washington. The only trouble was, with the exception of six, all of the names submitted were fake. The secretary of state called it the "worst case of election fraud in our state's history." As Fox News reported:
"The ACORN workers told state investigators that they went to the Seattle public library, sat at a table and filled out the voter registration forms. They made up names, addresses, and Social Security numbers and in some cases plucked names from the phone book. One worker said it was a lot of hard work making up all those names and another said he would sit at home, smoke marijuana and fill out the forms."
ACORN explained that this was an "isolated" incident, yet similar stories have been reported in Missouri, Michigan, Ohio, and Colorado -- all swing states, by the way. ACORN members have been prosecuted for voter fraud in a number of states. (See www.rottenacorn.com.) Their philosophy seems to be that everyone deserves the right to vote, whether legal or illegal, living or dead.
ACORN recognized very early the opportunity presented by the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) of 1977. As Stanley Kurtz has reported, ACORN proudly touted "affirmative action" lending and pressured banks to make subprime loans. Madeline Talbott, a Chicago ACORN leader, boasted of "dragging banks kicking and screaming" into dubious loans. And, as Sol Stern reported in City Journal, ACORN also found a remunerative niche as an "advisor" to banks seeking regulatory approval. "Thus we have J.P. Morgan & Co., the legatee of the man who once symbolized for many all that was supposedly evil about American capitalism, suddenly donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to ACORN." Is this a great country or what? As conservative community activist Robert Woodson put it, "The same corporations that pay ransom to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton pay ransom to ACORN."
ACORN attracted Barack Obama in his youthful community organizing days. Madeline Talbott hired him to train her staff -- the very people who would later descend on Chicago's banks as CRA shakedown artists. The Democratic nominee later funneled money to the group through the Woods Fund, on whose board he sat, and through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, ditto. Obama was not just sympathetic -- he was an ACORN fellow traveler.
Now you could make the case that before 2008, well-intentioned people were simply unaware of what their agitation on behalf of non-credit-worthy borrowers could lead to. But now? With the whole financial world and possibly the world economy trembling and cracking like a cement building in an earthquake, Democrats continue to try to fund their friends at ACORN? And, unashamed, they then trot out to the TV cameras to declare "the party is over" for Wall Street (Nancy Pelosi)? The party should be over for the Democrats who brought us to this pass. If Obama wins, it means hiring an arsonist to fight a fire.
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Franks Todd sponsonoring add in--same people been running Fannie Mae past years--same people and O bama receiving most donations from Fannie Mae---could a prudent person see any connects here--besides -- Its GW's fault
dogs, I'm not sure where we got off on the wrong foot. Although we never met, I have respected although usually strongly disagreed with you about Bush for 8 years.
As you wrote above, you shouldn't ASSUME, the timing of this post, has nothing to do with solely blaming Bush for this current crisis, I don't.
The point of the thread, is that nobody, NOBODY is still in his corner, even his party, (after being on his knees as you say), basically told him to Jam his deal up his ass, 133 of them, loud and clear. He has become such a embarrassment, his own party didn't even ALLOW HIM TO ATTEND THE GOP CONVENTION, when has that ever happened? His former advisers talk against him, nobody is still with him, I doubt his wife still sleeps with him. He is a embarrassment.
I made no bones about it, disliked him from the start, a decade ago. Now nearly everybody has come around and agrees. Lowest approval rating in history, now over 70 percent. Even people like you can't defend him anymore.
For the record, its on here somewhere, I was supporting McCain against Bush, and against Al Gore, so I'm not exactly the moonbat you would make me out to be. I think history has more than proven me correct about Bush. That however doesn't mean we can't be friendly.:toast:
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Rusty, my MA brother, I'm starting to wonder, do you get anything right? You repeatedly charge into my threads, and generally get things wrong. You want to quibble about 20 points on the Dow? Ok the market wasn't down 800, only 780. Is that better? And yes, it was the single biggest drop in American history. More than after 9/11,biggest ever, BIGGEST DROP EVER, FACT.
Yeah,for a day My brother.
But just as I thought they rebounded by more than 400 + pts by bargain hunters.Why so much hate? Im not charging into your threads friend ,im just looking at things from both sides.
Sorry if I effended:shrug:
