Yeah sorry Kosar. I'll try not to type so fast. The difference is I realize when I make a mistake. DJV is oblivious. I guess you got me this time. Kosar gets a gold star!!
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It is about time...
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So Saddam buries a bunch of his people and because some God died and made us caretaker of the planet, we feel the need to oust him from power....
Where were all you guys when brutal dictators in Russia were creating mass graveyards full of Russian people?
You got an endless fulltime job if you want to hop the globe suppressing all evil rulers and treating every country on the planet like it's one of the states of the union.....
The way Iraq is turning out it's almost safe to say that when we leave some other thug will take over over there and turn the other half of the country into a graveyard....like it will really matter who lives over there anyway with all the du contamination present.....only has a half-life of about a billion years....
How many American servicemen are going to die in these worthless pursuits?
Let the arabs fight each other, if that's all they can do over there then they deserve to kill each other off....
Where were all you guys when brutal dictators in Russia were creating mass graveyards full of Russian people?
You got an endless fulltime job if you want to hop the globe suppressing all evil rulers and treating every country on the planet like it's one of the states of the union.....
The way Iraq is turning out it's almost safe to say that when we leave some other thug will take over over there and turn the other half of the country into a graveyard....like it will really matter who lives over there anyway with all the du contamination present.....only has a half-life of about a billion years....
How many American servicemen are going to die in these worthless pursuits?
Let the arabs fight each other, if that's all they can do over there then they deserve to kill each other off....
I guess that's Bush's fault right? Maybe it was best to leave the genocidal tyrant who bound, shot and buried 400,000 innocent people in power.
400,000 innocent people exterminated IS GENOCIDE. You liberals critisize Bush for extracting him and trying to provide the citizens the right to live in FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...... NICE LOGIC. You guys make this too easy for me.
400,000 innocent people exterminated IS GENOCIDE. You liberals critisize Bush for extracting him and trying to provide the citizens the right to live in FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...... NICE LOGIC. You guys make this too easy for me.
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Life under Saddam.........400,000 mass graves. The worst genocide since the Holocost.
Yeah, shame on you President Bush!!! How dare you remove this nice man from power!!
Yeah, shame on you President Bush!!! How dare you remove this nice man from power!!
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I am feeling twice as smart since I put PaleManson on ignore.
He was killing my brain cells.
So I take it he comes up with Pakistan and Afghanistan as great examples of democratic success in the Middle East?
PRICELESS! :mj07:
He was killing my brain cells.
So I take it he comes up with Pakistan and Afghanistan as great examples of democratic success in the Middle East?
PRICELESS! :mj07:
Didn't good ole Dick Cheney say on May 31st that the insurgency was in it's last throes? Looks like he was wrong again, dont even hardcore Republicans shudder when this bozo opens his mouth?
The American casualties came as the death toll among the National Guard and Reserve in Iraq soared to at least 32 in the first 10 days of August, according to a Pentagon count. That total is more that in any full month of the entire war.
More broadly, Pentagon casualty reports show that the number of deaths among Guard and Reserve forces has been trending upward much of this year, totaling more than 100 since May 1. That ranks as the deadliest stretch of the war for the Guard and Reserve, whose members perform both combat and support missions.
The American casualties came as the death toll among the National Guard and Reserve in Iraq soared to at least 32 in the first 10 days of August, according to a Pentagon count. That total is more that in any full month of the entire war.
More broadly, Pentagon casualty reports show that the number of deaths among Guard and Reserve forces has been trending upward much of this year, totaling more than 100 since May 1. That ranks as the deadliest stretch of the war for the Guard and Reserve, whose members perform both combat and support missions.
Careful MC, you're spoiling MANSON'S delusion that we won Vietnam and somehow we're going to soak up all the evil dudes in the middle east...
Any time now some dumba$$ close to Dubya should be spewing some bs about "Yeah, they're done, we'll be out by September." :mj07:
Any time now some dumba$$ close to Dubya should be spewing some bs about "Yeah, they're done, we'll be out by September." :mj07:
You can argue both ways all day there is one undisbuted common denominator in Smurphs quote--
"It is Viet Nam all over again."
you'll always have the conservatives- Bob Hope's ect supporting the troops and the liberal element of Dem party Jane Fonda's supporting the enemy.
I can start out with Sean Penn and others at start go thru the michael Moores, Fonda again and others--then you have liberal orgs--climbing on board along with NYT-Times and others--and the liberal politicians I can quote four or five comparing our troops to Nazi's ect--its never ending.
Whether one agrees with war in Viet Nam or Iraq is of little consequence--We are undisputably fighting terrorist in Iraq now--and to diss our troops is aiding the enemy anyway you want to cut it--
Liberals feel free to post any conservative politician--media or orgs that have dogged our troops putting their lives on the line for us.
As Edward puts it--the flag wavers vs the flag burners
"It is Viet Nam all over again."
you'll always have the conservatives- Bob Hope's ect supporting the troops and the liberal element of Dem party Jane Fonda's supporting the enemy.
I can start out with Sean Penn and others at start go thru the michael Moores, Fonda again and others--then you have liberal orgs--climbing on board along with NYT-Times and others--and the liberal politicians I can quote four or five comparing our troops to Nazi's ect--its never ending.
Whether one agrees with war in Viet Nam or Iraq is of little consequence--We are undisputably fighting terrorist in Iraq now--and to diss our troops is aiding the enemy anyway you want to cut it--
Liberals feel free to post any conservative politician--media or orgs that have dogged our troops putting their lives on the line for us.
As Edward puts it--the flag wavers vs the flag burners
I still have yet to see a valid reason for taking over the French's fight in Vietnam....like having another couple hundred miles of malaria infested jungle turn communist in a country a whole ocean away was a threat, or somehow twisted into a war fought out of self-defense? 
As far as just fighting terrorists over there....I seriously doubt you realize how many over there are fighting us simply because we are over there....when we finally decide to pull out and leave will be when a major share of the fighting ends over there, then we are still stuck trying to eliminate the terrorists scattered around the rest of the planet like sticks leaves in the wind...
As far as just fighting terrorists over there....I seriously doubt you realize how many over there are fighting us simply because we are over there....when we finally decide to pull out and leave will be when a major share of the fighting ends over there, then we are still stuck trying to eliminate the terrorists scattered around the rest of the planet like sticks leaves in the wind...
from 1st hand I think a lot of troops in Nam questioned our being there-personally once there seeing the atrocities the north did against the south was more an issue to me than any political cause which admittedly i never saw but be that as it may--it was not an issue of right or wrong it was issue issue of those at home dissing and whining and carrying their little protest signs while the troops put their lives on the line.
I don't care if our troops fought a totally unjust war at some point in time--I'll respect the troops and their courage over fanny packing microsoft militia who have never done squat and never will . They remind me of little barking chiwawas that yap yap yap and try and bite your heels if you turn your back but run as fast as little legs will carry them if confronted.
I don't care if our troops fought a totally unjust war at some point in time--I'll respect the troops and their courage over fanny packing microsoft militia who have never done squat and never will . They remind me of little barking chiwawas that yap yap yap and try and bite your heels if you turn your back but run as fast as little legs will carry them if confronted.
There was no valid reason (domino theory) to go to Viet Nam and try to fight a guerilla war with one hand tied behind our back. This looks like more of the same - just a different climate.
No one should say a negative word about our troops to be sure. And I dont hear that except from the real nut cases. I would say that more than 99% of our country supports the troops. It is just getting very hard to support this conflict with no end in sight. We removed SH from power - done deal.
Yes, I feel sorry for the Iraquis having to live the life they do. I also feel bad for those in the Sudan, Somalia and elsewhere that life sucks. There is only so much we can do.
No one should say a negative word about our troops to be sure. And I dont hear that except from the real nut cases. I would say that more than 99% of our country supports the troops. It is just getting very hard to support this conflict with no end in sight. We removed SH from power - done deal.
Yes, I feel sorry for the Iraquis having to live the life they do. I also feel bad for those in the Sudan, Somalia and elsewhere that life sucks. There is only so much we can do.
I guess that's Bush's fault right? Maybe it was best to leave the genocidal tyrant who bound, shot and buried 400,000 innocent people in power.
Unfortunately that was not the reason that we were given for going into Iraq and if that is the current spin then we should be sending troops to the Sudan if we are in the business of removing brutal dictatorships that sponser genocide.
Whether one agrees with war in Viet Nam or Iraq is of little consequence--We are undisputably fighting terrorist in Iraq now--and to diss our troops is aiding the enemy anyway you want to cut it--
There were no terrorists that could be linked to attacking us or our allies before we went into Iraq on misinformation, so to try and spin this as a great war on terror doesn't make alot of sense. Maybe if you rephrased it and said that we are now battling terrorist that we created by going into Iraq on lies and misinformation then your logic would be correct.
Liberals feel free to post any conservative politician--media or orgs that have dogged our troops putting their lives on the line for us.
While I will give you Jane Fonda in Vietnam as being out of touch with the mainstream, I can't understand your anger with Sean Penn. What did Penn do that makes you believe he is against the troops? Was it because he went against the Bush Administrations lies? Here is the text of his statement http://www.truthout.com/docs_02/12.17E.penn.iraq.htm and I really don't see anything wrong here. Wheres your anger for the folks whom sent the troops into battle without a exit strategy, who sent the troops into battle without a clear understanding of just what would happen once the country was taken over, wheres your anger for the people that sent the troops into battle on faulty information, wheres your anger for the people that rushed to war without equipping the troops with the necessary gear to insure their survival?
Unfortunately that was not the reason that we were given for going into Iraq and if that is the current spin then we should be sending troops to the Sudan if we are in the business of removing brutal dictatorships that sponser genocide.
Whether one agrees with war in Viet Nam or Iraq is of little consequence--We are undisputably fighting terrorist in Iraq now--and to diss our troops is aiding the enemy anyway you want to cut it--
There were no terrorists that could be linked to attacking us or our allies before we went into Iraq on misinformation, so to try and spin this as a great war on terror doesn't make alot of sense. Maybe if you rephrased it and said that we are now battling terrorist that we created by going into Iraq on lies and misinformation then your logic would be correct.
Liberals feel free to post any conservative politician--media or orgs that have dogged our troops putting their lives on the line for us.
While I will give you Jane Fonda in Vietnam as being out of touch with the mainstream, I can't understand your anger with Sean Penn. What did Penn do that makes you believe he is against the troops? Was it because he went against the Bush Administrations lies? Here is the text of his statement http://www.truthout.com/docs_02/12.17E.penn.iraq.htm and I really don't see anything wrong here. Wheres your anger for the folks whom sent the troops into battle without a exit strategy, who sent the troops into battle without a clear understanding of just what would happen once the country was taken over, wheres your anger for the people that sent the troops into battle on faulty information, wheres your anger for the people that rushed to war without equipping the troops with the necessary gear to insure their survival?
DTB....you go from "1st hand I think a lot of troops in Nam questioned our being there"
to "those at home dissing and whining and carrying thier little protest signs"
If the troops question being there then at the same time they should be pissed off because people at home are trying to get them out of a war that they also feel is unjust?
Are you somehow implying that having troops in a foreign country is enough justification for being involved in a war, that somehow just being there we should automatically approve of the war?
You're starting to sound like some of these people who think our every military move is righteously correct, and closely related to that is the mistaken thought that every move of our military is done in our country's self-defense.......
to "those at home dissing and whining and carrying thier little protest signs"
If the troops question being there then at the same time they should be pissed off because people at home are trying to get them out of a war that they also feel is unjust?
Are you somehow implying that having troops in a foreign country is enough justification for being involved in a war, that somehow just being there we should automatically approve of the war?
You're starting to sound like some of these people who think our every military move is righteously correct, and closely related to that is the mistaken thought that every move of our military is done in our country's self-defense.......
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ferd, i disagree. I believe that the Vietnamese did
not want to be "saved" by the United States.
In sharp contrast to the war in Iraq. Two totally different wars, theaters, technology, tactics. etc.
Of course the Vietnamese wanted us to save them. If not, why were they all running for the choppers? Why were we criticized for leaving people behind? I am acquainted with 2 people who were so-called "boat people" and believe me, they were happy to get out of there.
Maybe i need to reread info about the Tet offensive.
im not being sarcastic, ferd. i respect your opinion
im not being sarcastic, ferd. i respect your opinion
Marco I didn't say anything about reason to send troops to war--
Most soilders do not question the reason why--and are ingrained in training not to question--the reason which will be hard to fathom unless you been in combat is anyone can always find reason not to expose one self to risk if it is an option.
Until you been thousands of miles from home--have not seen a regular toilet 6months at a time--had same cloths on for over week without shower--sleeping on ground during monsoon for weeks with leeches crawling over you--looking out over your comrades and wondering which will be that 15% that won't make it----
--you will not understand the distain the soilder has for the Kerrys-Kennedys-Fonda's media--and protestors at home--and if youthink the protestors were for the troops--we are not naive enough to not notice their agenda and anger was toward us when we got home. Therefore quite obvious it was political--as it is today.
Most soilders do not question the reason why--and are ingrained in training not to question--the reason which will be hard to fathom unless you been in combat is anyone can always find reason not to expose one self to risk if it is an option.
Until you been thousands of miles from home--have not seen a regular toilet 6months at a time--had same cloths on for over week without shower--sleeping on ground during monsoon for weeks with leeches crawling over you--looking out over your comrades and wondering which will be that 15% that won't make it----
--you will not understand the distain the soilder has for the Kerrys-Kennedys-Fonda's media--and protestors at home--and if youthink the protestors were for the troops--we are not naive enough to not notice their agenda and anger was toward us when we got home. Therefore quite obvious it was political--as it is today.
The protesters got the boys home. It is unknown how many lives American lives were saved by the protesters. It is also unknown how many American lives were needless extinguished because the powers that be prolonged a war that we could never win.
