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From article Obama:Not The Great Stone Face


There is a growing desperation among politicians that the populace perceives them as pretty much alike ? alike in the sense of not being appealing. In Obama?s case, the charge is doubly serious, because he made extravagant claims that our first community organizer and our first African-American to become president ? and our most purely liberal president in a generation ? would be different, as in bringing a new humility and competence to the office.

Instead, over half the electorate sees only hypocrisy. Obama initially called for understanding and patience with the BP spill, in a way he had not when demagoguing Katrina. He suddenly found Guantanamo, renditions, military tribunals, Predator assassinations, and Iraq to be complex issues, after assuring us that they were open-and-shut cases of simple morality. Bush?s deficit misdemeanors suddenly became Obama?s felonies ? after he ran on the theme that Bush had recklessly run up the debt. The 2008 campaign to highlight racial harmony by electing the symbolic postracial Obama has become a sort of nightmare in which the old, tired identity politics of the 1980s rage as never before, fanned by an unpopular president desperate to rev up his base.

The common denominator here is that a largely conservative electorate has always wanted lower taxes, smaller but more competent government, fewer overseas commitments, honest government, and officials who live like the public they represent ? and it can?t seem to find that package in any party or candidate being presented to it. Indeed, the Obama medicine is now seen as worse than the Bush disease, in that he less competently oversaw the war in Afghanistan, blew apart the budget, and lives more royally than any Republican.

The obsequious media have been left scrambling to explain this new Orwellian barn wall: Bush?s aristocratic golf is now Obama?s needed relaxation; Bush?s bumbling press conferences might explain why Obama wisely doesn?t hold many at all; Republican congressional corruption simply led to a ?They all do it, even Democrats? narrative; Bush?s failure to articulate how and why we would win in Iraq suddenly morphs into Afghanistan as a baffling experience that confuses all of us. Obviously, even the most adept public-relations-minded journalist could not pull all that off, and so we are left with media now as discredited as they are loathed.

And where does all that leave us?

//article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=ZWRhYzg1OTMzYjVlYWMwMTY2YjdmNDQ3YTgxOTIzYjk=
 

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These are the top two concerns of the media to have to explain? Seriously? I don't recall Dubbya being called out for golfing, to any degree. His dad, maybe. Burning tumbleweeds on his ranch at an unheard of out-of-the-office rate? Sure, I did it myself on many occasions, and I don't think even republicans want to compare hours and work ethic in dealing with issues, do they? Bush was a better delegator, fer shure, but a worker? Hardly...

And Bush's bumbling press conferences? Those are all on him - now the concern and comparison is that Obama is scared to communicate because Bush couldn't? Hardly.

Better stick to issues, seems to me... comparisons like this just seem incredibly desperate - not to mention wrong, as I mentioned.
 

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Yes the SEC is a criminal enterprise that we can agree on.
So you guys say that Bush was so weak that Pelosi and Reed where calling the shots! I laugh in your face. Those two dimwits gave Bush everything he asked for! Name me one piece of legislation they pushed through by overiding a Bush veto?

You know as well as I do there was none. Any your stupid love of the Republican Party is just the kind of thing that is killing this country. It is time we came together as a people and got rid of all the bastards on both sides of the aisle.
 

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Yes the SEC is a criminal enterprise that we can agree on.
So you guys say that Bush was so weak that Pelosi and Reed where calling the shots! I laugh in your face. Those two dimwits gave Bush everything he asked for! Name me one piece of legislation they pushed through by overiding a Bush veto?

You know as well as I do there was none. Any your stupid love of the Republican Party is just the kind of thing that is killing this country. It is time we came together as a people and got rid of all the bastards on both sides of the aisle.

Pelosi and Reed were and are part of the problem, trouble is, they're STILL there, 4 years of Democrat controll of Senate and House.


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These are the top two concerns of the media to have to explain? Seriously? I don't recall Dubbya being called out for golfing, to any degree. His dad, maybe. Burning tumbleweeds on his ranch at an unheard of out-of-the-office rate? Sure, I did it myself on many occasions, and I don't think even republicans want to compare hours and work ethic in dealing with issues, do they? Bush was a better delegator, fer shure, but a worker? Hardly...

And Bush's bumbling press conferences? Those are all on him - now the concern and comparison is that Obama is scared to communicate because Bush couldn't? Hardly.

Better stick to issues, seems to me... comparisons like this just seem incredibly desperate - not to mention wrong, as I mentioned.

then why are you shipping them all--:shrug:

Instead, over half the electorate sees only hypocrisy. Obama initially called for understanding and patience with the BP spill, in a way he had not when demagoguing Katrina. He suddenly found Guantanamo, renditions, military tribunals, Predator assassinations, and Iraq to be complex issues, after assuring us that they were open-and-shut cases of simple morality. Bush?s deficit misdemeanors suddenly became Obama?s felonies ? after he ran on the theme that Bush had recklessly run up the debt. The 2008 campaign to highlight racial harmony by electing the symbolic postracial Obama has become a sort of nightmare in which the old, tired identity politics of the 1980s rage as never before, fanned by an unpopular president desperate to rev up his base.

The common denominator here is that a largely conservative electorate has always wanted lower taxes, smaller but more competent government, fewer overseas commitments, honest government, and officials who live like the public they represent ? and it can?t seem to find that package in any party or candidate being presented to it. Indeed, the Obama medicine is now seen as worse than the Bush disease, in that he less competently oversaw the war in Afghanistan, blew apart the budget, and lives more royally than any Republican.

The obsequious media have been left scrambling to explain this new Orwellian barn wall: Bush?s aristocratic golf is now Obama?s needed relaxation; Bush?s bumbling press conferences might explain why Obama wisely doesn?t hold many at all; Republican congressional corruption simply led to a ?They all do it, even Democrats? narrative; Bush?s failure to articulate how and why we would win in Iraq suddenly morphs into Afghanistan as a baffling experience that confuses all of us. Obviously, even the most adept public-relations-minded journalist could not pull all that off, and so we are left with media now as discredited as they are loathed.
 

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then why are you shipping them all--:shrug:

I didn't say *I* should deal with the issues, I said *YOU* should stick to the issues if you wanted to make a point, compared to the article's contentions - I didn't bring them up, and I was making an observation about the two main contentions your article was making.

But I will comment a bit...

Big difference between a sitting senator making comments (after an unknown referenced time in the article, of course) and the leader of the free world, as should be pointed out. Did Bush speak the same way when Governor, than when President? Of course he didn't, nor do/did any of them after the transition to added responsibility (as you are trying to point out with this argument, by the way...). ALL senators have more freedom to find fault and politic than sitting Presidents do. Nothing new there, with Katrina and with B.P. And I hardly think the two were the same - far from it, including the handling or not of both.

No doubt he found the issues you speak of to be more problematic when being more responsible for them - that just makes sense. Don't you think he WAS more responsible for acting and results as President? Of course he was, compared to being a Senator and just having an occasional vote. And, I certainly don't agree with the simple comment that Obama "assured us that they were open-and-shut cases of simple morality," as the article maintains. Nothing is or was that simple, nor was it ALL said to be by Obama. Perhaps there are links to all of those comments, about all of those situations? After all, the author and you maintain they were ALL that way, as if it were simply the case. I don't agree, and I personally appreciate Obama's dealings with those situations (overall) than Bush's handling of them, from what I've seen, I'm sure there are similarities, and probably some things I'm not thinking of.

As for these contentions: "Indeed, the Obama medicine is now seen as worse than the Bush disease, in that he less competently oversaw the war in Afghanistan, blew apart the budget, and lives more royally than any Republican." I can certainly argue with all of them. I don't agree everything is worse now than before, at all. The Afghanistan situation is arguable, and it depends on how you measure competence. Certainly Obama has been more aggressive there, with a stated sense of mission, and has maintained we would pull out at a reasonable time. All make some sense to me, compared to Bush. And do you really contend that Obama lives more royally than ANY Republican? Are you serious? In what possible way is that true? ANY Republican?!?

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

And, I did address the bottom paragraph issues with my first post. Proving, in my mind, that the contentions were simply wrong.
 

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Pelosi and Reed were and are part of the problem, trouble is, they're STILL there, 4 years of Democrat controll of Senate and House.


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Skul I agree they suck. You should like them because they gave Bush everything he wanted. Tell me one thing he wanted and didn't get?

The difference is Skul is that I think they both suck. Dems and Repubs but you are Hell bent on getting the Republican crooks in again.
 

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Skul I agree they suck. You should like them because they gave Bush everything he wanted. Tell me one thing he wanted and didn't get?

The difference is Skul is that I think they both suck. Dems and Repubs but you are Hell bent on getting the Republican crooks in again.

StevieD, I think if the Republicans are put in and they don't do a better job, a Third party might be viable.
 

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'No way' Newt can win, ex-wife says
Posted: August 10th, 2010 11:24 AM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney


Former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich's ex-wife says 'there's now way' he will be president.
(CNN) ? As Newt Gingrich continues to signal his intention to run for president in 2012, his ex-wife says she finds it inconceivable the former Republican House Speaker has any chance of winning the White House.

"There's no way," Marianne Gingrich tells Esquire Magazine in a profile of the ex-Republican leader posted on the magazine's website Tuesday. "He could have been president. But when you try and change your history too much, and try and recolor it because you don't like the way it was or you want it to be different to prove something new ... you lose touch with who you really are. You lose your way."

But Marianne, who was married to Gingrich from 1981-1999, says her former husband might just have the right mentality to launch a White House bid, even if victory is far-fetched.

"He believes that what he says in public and how he lives don't have to be connected," she tells the magazine. "If you believe that, then yeah, you can run for president."


Marianne also says her former husband is a self-conscious man who "grew up poor and always wanted to be somebody, to make a difference, to prove himself."

"He has to be historic to justify his life," she tells the magazine.

But in the same profile, Gingrich paints a different picture of his childhood saying it resembled what "Norman Rockwell captures in his pictures."

The lengthy Esquire profile comes amid Gingrich's stepped up activity in Iowa ? the key early-voting presidential state.

On Friday, Gingrich will make his sixth visit to the state in recent months to attend the Iowa State Fair, a traditional stomping ground for presidential aspirants.

Gingrich plans to open the day at the Iowa Republican Party booth and sign copies of his book, "To Save America," an appearance sure to help the state party touch a number of potential voters as they seek to re-capture the governor's mansion and a handful of House seats.

And according to a GOP source in the state, Gingrich also has a meeting planned at the fair with several GOP donors. After a morning dose of glad-handing and livestock-watching, he is slated to headline two fundraisers: One for Sen. Charles Grassley, who is seeking a sixth term in Washington, and another for the People United for Republican Sisters' Election (PURSE) political action committee, a group formed to assist female GOP candidates.

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Dont worry neocons

help is on the way :142smilie
 

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Left the #1 flop/grift for last--Iraq

After trying to retreat-surrender-saying we already lost

--now try to take credit for victory and withdrawal time table already set in last admin
:facepalm:

right in there with "worst economy since great depression" --when unemployment was 5% and market 14,000.:nooo:

 

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Left the #1 flop/grift for last--Iraq

After trying to retreat-surrender-saying we already lost

--now try to take credit for victory and withdrawal time table already set in last admin
:facepalm:

right in there with "worst economy since great depression" --when unemployment was 5% and market 14,000.:nooo:


If you call that a victory I would hate to see your loses. Yes, I know we got rid of an evil dictator. You know, the guy who kept Iran in check. Good work!
 

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If you call that a victory I would hate to see your loses. Yes, I know we got rid of an evil dictator. You know, the guy who kept Iran in check. Good work!

Only one question for that response--

Which Hussein do/or did you admire most?

--hmm maybe this should be in enquiring minds want to know thread! :SIB
 

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Only one question for that response--

Which Hussein do/or did you admire most?

--hmm maybe this should be in enquiring minds want to know thread! :SIB

Name calling...that's not llike you...oh wait a minute, yes it is!

I don't admire either of them. But I think your boy Rumsfeld liked one of them while he was gassing his own people!
 
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Left the #1 flop/grift for last--Iraq

After trying to retreat-surrender-saying we already lost

--now try to take credit for victory and withdrawal time table already set in last admin
:facepalm:

right in there with "worst economy since great depression" --when unemployment was 5% and market 14,000.:nooo:


So, specifically, do you think both administrations set the same timetable for withdrawal in Iraq? You must have the links to these quotes, maybe they are that black and white, so to speak. There's no doubt that the new administration has to maintain a certain presence there specifically because of the palatial embassy Bush and Co. built there, and the worlds 2nd largest airbase Bush and Co. built there, but I remember the timetable issue quite well before Obama - when Bush and Co., and most republicans said we should never have one, it showed weakness, and "retreat and surrender." Don't remember the specific timetable for withdrawal movement by the Republicans and Bush all that much.

And as for the worst economy since the great depression, are you suggesting she was referring to the period of time when things were fairly good, or when they were headed down the shitter with no end in sight, where those numbers were a distant memory? "Presiding over" does encompass the entire time the administration presided over the economy. When this was coming up for those comments, the economy CERTAINLY was not good, and we all knew it was going to get worse, no matter WHO took over.
 
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