jfk terror plot thwarted

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Since no takers on war on terror--and switched to UBL I also have question there--If captured alive--which liberal politician will be te first to offer council on his defense--and what are odds he'd be one of Billy Bobs ex cabinet members.

1st thought is might be Bill himself if price was right--but then remembered he's still disbarred

 

[bryanz]

There is HUGE diff on liberals (but not all Dems) and conservatives on fighting terror.

Maybe I can get you to rationalize this way.

If 911 could have been averted by any of the following--which one do you personally think should not have been done to avoid it.

--Not giving the terrorist attorneys
--water boarding
--shipping terrorist out of country for questioning
--eavesdropping on their phone conversation without judicial approval 1st
--embarrassing them while confined
--profiling

Would you rather be P.C. and answer to the masses that died or may die because of it--or be prudent and avoid catastrophe at all cost.

There in lies the diff between liberals and conservatives.

All your points will happen under both parties in the white house. I don't think our intelligence agencies change the way they do business because of the President. The agents in the field don't change, the head of the cia was there for both parties. These are just talking point, there really is not much difference between our two parties were the rubber meets the road. There is nothing wrong with profiling, it will happen no matter who the president is. Profiling is common sense, it's human nature. There is always going to be torture, wire taps, embarrassing prisoners, shipping people out of the country, all this will happen under any administration. That's my point, republicans backers try to portray the democrats as something that they are not. Who gets a lawyer, who doesn't get one. That's a slippery slope. What if the person that is arrested is an American. Our government and law enforcement has been know to make mistakes. If I was arrested in America I would want the right to a lawyer. I think everyone should have the right to a lawyer if they are arrested in Our Country. We can't break our own laws, we can't become the terrorist. Since 911, we as a country have killed and tortured innocent people, that going to happen, we are at war but we should do everything possible to remain what separates us from them. I think it's naive, if not disingenuous to think that America does not play hard ball when the Democrat's are in office. It has become a myth, somewhat like republicans are fiscally responsible. In this next election we should throw out guns, abortion, gay marriage & focus on the economy, protecting our country,education and health care. WE should focus on government reform, stop wasting American lives and money. Our government in both parties, has major systemic problems when it comes to being efficient and doing the job hard working Americans send them our money to do. I think it's a mistake for Americans to chose sides. NO ONE IS LOOKING OUT FOR US !!! THE QUESTION SHOULDN'T BE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT. IT SHOULD BE US OR THEM !!! WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK !!!!

 

[smurphy]

DTB, 911 could have been averted if Rice and Bush simply paid attention to their memos. All we need is competence. Stop using liberals as your scapegoat.

 

[The Sponge]

Since no takers on war on terror--and switched to UBL I also have question there--If captured alive--which liberal politician will be te first to offer council on his defense--and what are odds he'd be one of Billy Bobs ex cabinet members.

1st thought is might be Bill himself if price was right--but then remembered he's still disbarred

Dogs i would think since Bin Laden had ties to Saudi Arabia it would be Jim Baker firm that would represent him since his firm has experience representing the Saudi's interest over Americans.:nono:

 

[smurphy]

Yes, thanks for bringing that up again Sponge. As much as DTB rails and rails about lawyers representing suspected terrorists, he has absolutely no problem with Baker-Bott raking in $ millions from representing Saudi Arabia against 9-11 families. It's an amazing double standard on his part.

 

[The Judge]

If captured alive

Rather difficult to capture someone who is off this administration's radar, don't you think?

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...."
- Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool, The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on official White House site

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts, 3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

 

[gardenweasel]

now we we are friends ? :mj07: I though you were the fbi & cia ??? go to sleep or count the sheep ahead of you !!!:com:

i don`t mind discussing these issues with you bryanz......but,now,it seems, you`re trying to hurt my feelings?.....

:nono:

theres a a trend i've noticed on the left.... they want to localize the source of islamist conflict with the west to afghanistan or bin laden or al qaeda....., the "good war," and deny that any anti-west hatred exists, existed or will exist anywhere else without the provocation of the iraq "occupation" (and of course the "injustices" visited on the palestinians by the "apartheid zionist regime").....

being that bryanz mentioned sheep,it seems easier for those people to sleep at night if they delude themselves that there are not countless tens of thousands(if not millions) of people in the world who want to slit their throats...........

not because of chimpy mcbushitler or zionist-manipulated imperialism, but rather because of their belief that women should not be genitally mutilated and swathed in sacks, that homosexuals should not be stoned to death in the public square, and that all people should be allowed to follow personal conscience in choosing whether to believe in a deity or deities, and if so, which......

 

[smurphy]

Come again?

 

[djv]

Sky is falling the Sky is falling. When first reported I thought they were at the airport ready to light the fuse. Then we find out they were just planning and thinking about this plot. They even were short money.

 

[AR182]

I thought all the terrorist were in Iraq. I thought we were going to fight them there so we wouldn't have to here. Isn't that what we were told?

no some are also in mass.....:mj07:

 

[Chadman]

I find it funny/sad when Wayne posts things in multiple ways in many threads, asking for answers, and then saying nobody takes him up on it. I have responded to countless posts like these, point by point, and nothing comes of it. I'll take some time later to go at the two above posts - AGAIN - and we'll see what floats.

Just gets old...answering, asking, and getting a "media is bad" post soon after. Yawn.

 

[Chadman]

Two quick points...once again, another terror instance blasts across our screens right before a democratic debate, or something really embarrassing to the Republican party. You just can't make it up, sometimes...the irony. And, would like to know if this plot was thwarted by obtaining the easy-to-obtain-after-the-surveilling court order (aka: following the law we fight to defend) or if it wasn't. The thing is, if they did do that, we have no talking point for Wayne (or concern by lefty types) to even mention. But let's just throw it out there to make some kind of quasi-point, shall we, Wayne?

 

[bryanz]

i don`t mind discussing these issues with you bryanz......but,now,it seems, you`re trying to hurt my feelings?.....

:nono:

theres a a trend i've noticed on the left.... they want to localize the source of islamist conflict with the west to afghanistan or bin laden or al qaeda....., the "good war," and deny that any anti-west hatred exists, existed or will exist anywhere else without the provocation of the iraq "occupation" (and of course the "injustices" visited on the palestinians by the "apartheid zionist regime").....

being that bryanz mentioned sheep,it seems easier for those people to sleep at night if they delude themselves that there are not countless tens of thousands(if not millions) of people in the world who want to slit their throats...........

not because of chimpy mcbushitler or zionist-manipulated imperialism, but rather because of their belief that women should not be genitally mutilated and swathed in sacks, that homosexuals should not be stoned to death in the public square, and that all people should be allowed to follow personal conscience in choosing whether to believe in a deity or deities, and if so, which......

WHAT ?????? your are good for a laugh ! I guess only this kind of logic & or reason could lead to being a Bush supporter !! WTF ARE YOU SMOKING ????

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

what answer??which one of the pro terrorist tactics Dems are for that I put up did he discuss?

You say their equally strong on terror then show me just one of their liberal arm ACLU agendas that benefit our troops--or onethat aids our efforts against the terrorist.

--my thoughts on issue

If hooking up terrorists balls to a car's battery cables would avoid catastrophe - I have just two things I'd say--

Red is positive
Black is negative

 

[bryanz]

what answer??which one of the pro terrorist tactics Dems are for that I put up did he discuss?

You say their equally strong on terror then show me just one of their liberal arm ACLU agendas that benefit our troops--or onethat aids our efforts against the terrorist.

--my thoughts on issue

If hooking up terrorists balls to a car's battery cables would avoid catastrophe - I have just two things I'd say--

Red is positive
Black is negative

AGREED

You can focus on libs & the aclu but if we are hooking up terrorist balls to car batteries under this administration we will be doing the same under a democrats administration. By law we do not torture, so if our people in the field are doing it they will continue to do so. The white house doesn't control what the cia does, just ask our President. The agents in the field will take care of business, no matter who's in the way at the white house. Show me one thing the right and this administration has done to aid our troops ?? Top of the line body armor ? Top of the line Armored viechels ? NO ON BOTH ACCOUNTS. THE SUPPORT FOR THE TROOPS FROM BOTH SIDES IS MORE TALK THAN REALITY. I think you have missed the boat on this subject, you listen to what people say & ignore what actually happens. This aclu smoke screen is for discussions in a bar or a classroom, they don't affect what happens in a room between our agents and a terrorist. Your points are all great taking points to try to convince a unsophisticated voter in a election. That's it. If we have to depend on torture as the back bone of our intelligence we are in trouble any ways. Your question,logic and your thinking is flawed.