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---been much discussed about Joes speech and doubt O lets him back on stage till after election--however interesting parralels to what Biden said about both o and mac in primary and his last speech

Biden on O
-"The presidency is no place for (Obamanation) )on the job training."

Biden on Mac
I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off.


JOE BIDEN'S FEARS
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10212008/postopinion/editorials/joe_bidens_fears_134618.htm

Joe Biden wonders whether Barack Obama is qualified to be commander-in-chief.

"Mark my words," Biden warned Sunday at a Democratic fund-raiser. "It will not be six months [after the inauguration] before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy."

Then he added, "Watch. We're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

Now, here's where it gets scary.

Obama's "gonna need your help to use your influence within the community to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

He's going to need help?

Terrific.

What's particularly disturbing is Biden's Kennedy analogy.

For those who don't recall, it was a scant five months after JFK became president that Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev took his measure.

Kennedy had just bungled the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion in Cuba, then went off to a summit in Vienna - where Khruschev determined that the rookie chief executive could be had.

Two months later, construction began on the Berlin Wall, precipitating a crisis that nearly led to a US-Soviet shooting war in Europe.

And 14 months after that came the Cuban Missile Crisis - when nuclear Armageddon was only barely averted.

Is Biden saying that America's current enemies - sorely aware of Obama's inexperience - plan to test a President Obama with similar crises, to see what he's made of?

Sure seems like it.

But what if Obama is still on the wrong side of the learning curve when this major international crisis hits?

More important: What if he makes the wrong decision - as even Joe Biden suggests he might?

After all, Obama was wrong about the troop surge in Iraq.

And he was wrong in his initial response to Russia's invasion of Georgia - when he urged the victimized nation to "show restraint."

And he was wrong when he said he would gladly sit down unconditionally with people like Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - the very people his own running-mate now says are planning to "test" him.

As John McCain said yesterday, "We don't want a president who invites testing from the world . . . The next president won't have time."

Little wonder, then, that Biden later admitted that he "probably shouldn't have said all this."

But why not, Joe?

It's doubtless all true.

And it's much better to get it all out now - rather than wait until it's too late to do anything about it.
 

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that might be a fear of Bidens, but could you imagine if McCain got elected and passed away and the country was in the hands of an uber wacko like Palin? You talk about fear, our country might never recover from such an inept leader whom very well could be even less ready for leadership than W, now thats terrifying.
 

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If you are going to post some quotes of somebody post the whole thing. Not the Fox news version. The end of the quote that Dogs and Fox isn't stating " and when they test him they will see he has a spine made of steel". WOW it makes his comment come out alot different when the WHOLE thing is on display and not cut short for effect.

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---been much discussed about Joes speech and doubt O lets him back on stage till after election--however interesting parralels to what Biden said about both o and mac in primary and his last speech

Biden on O
-"The presidency is no place for (Obamanation) )on the job training."

Biden on Mac
I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off.


JOE BIDEN'S FEARS
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10212008/postopinion/editorials/joe_bidens_fears_134618.htm

Joe Biden wonders whether Barack Obama is qualified to be commander-in-chief.

"Mark my words," Biden warned Sunday at a Democratic fund-raiser. "It will not be six months [after the inauguration] before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy."

Then he added, "Watch. We're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

Now, here's where it gets scary.

Obama's "gonna need your help to use your influence within the community to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

He's going to need help?

Terrific.

What's particularly disturbing is Biden's Kennedy analogy.

For those who don't recall, it was a scant five months after JFK became president that Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev took his measure.

Kennedy had just bungled the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion in Cuba, then went off to a summit in Vienna - where Khruschev determined that the rookie chief executive could be had.

Two months later, construction began on the Berlin Wall, precipitating a crisis that nearly led to a US-Soviet shooting war in Europe.

And 14 months after that came the Cuban Missile Crisis - when nuclear Armageddon was only barely averted.

Is Biden saying that America's current enemies - sorely aware of Obama's inexperience - plan to test a President Obama with similar crises, to see what he's made of?

Sure seems like it.

But what if Obama is still on the wrong side of the learning curve when this major international crisis hits?

More important: What if he makes the wrong decision - as even Joe Biden suggests he might?

After all, Obama was wrong about the troop surge in Iraq.

And he was wrong in his initial response to Russia's invasion of Georgia - when he urged the victimized nation to "show restraint."

And he was wrong when he said he would gladly sit down unconditionally with people like Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - the very people his own running-mate now says are planning to "test" him.

As John McCain said yesterday, "We don't want a president who invites testing from the world . . . The next president won't have time."

Little wonder, then, that Biden later admitted that he "probably shouldn't have said all this."

But why not, Joe?

It's doubtless all true.

And it's much better to get it all out now - rather than wait until it's too late to do anything about it.

i know , you don't read my links.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RzGTbfcL3w
 

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---been much discussed about Joes speech and doubt O lets him back on stage till after election--however interesting parralels to what Biden said about both o and mac in primary and his last speech

Biden on O
-"The presidency is no place for (Obamanation) )on the job training."

Biden on Mac
I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off.


JOE BIDEN'S FEARS
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10212008/postopinion/editorials/joe_bidens_fears_134618.htm

Joe Biden wonders whether Barack Obama is qualified to be commander-in-chief.

"Mark my words," Biden warned Sunday at a Democratic fund-raiser. "It will not be six months [after the inauguration] before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy."

Then he added, "Watch. We're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

Now, here's where it gets scary.

Obama's "gonna need your help to use your influence within the community to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

He's going to need help?

Terrific.

What's particularly disturbing is Biden's Kennedy analogy.

For those who don't recall, it was a scant five months after JFK became president that Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev took his measure.

Kennedy had just bungled the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion in Cuba, then went off to a summit in Vienna - where Khruschev determined that the rookie chief executive could be had.

Two months later, construction began on the Berlin Wall, precipitating a crisis that nearly led to a US-Soviet shooting war in Europe.

And 14 months after that came the Cuban Missile Crisis - when nuclear Armageddon was only barely averted.

Is Biden saying that America's current enemies - sorely aware of Obama's inexperience - plan to test a President Obama with similar crises, to see what he's made of?

Sure seems like it.

But what if Obama is still on the wrong side of the learning curve when this major international crisis hits?

More important: What if he makes the wrong decision - as even Joe Biden suggests he might?

After all, Obama was wrong about the troop surge in Iraq.

And he was wrong in his initial response to Russia's invasion of Georgia - when he urged the victimized nation to "show restraint."

And he was wrong when he said he would gladly sit down unconditionally with people like Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - the very people his own running-mate now says are planning to "test" him.

As John McCain said yesterday, "We don't want a president who invites testing from the world . . . The next president won't have time."

Little wonder, then, that Biden later admitted that he "probably shouldn't have said all this."

But why not, Joe?

It's doubtless all true.

And it's much better to get it all out now - rather than wait until it's too late to do anything about it.

fear !
 

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lets just hope nothing happens to obama so we don't have to count on biden... the one thing obama has over our current president, he has the ability to reason..
 

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lets spend billons , fight a ground war against an enemy that has no air force and can not attack us here at home or any of our allies,unless we can not connect the dots !!! those dots gets you every time.... I believe in God but... I guess you have to believe in the boogy man or something to explain the last 8yrs of KING 43 KEEPING "US" SAFE !
 

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lets get crazy.... socialism.....redistribution of wealth.... lets bail out all the bankers and speculators and cry about the few that get a check that dont work...... I was a used car sales man on the yellow brick road..... don't cry to me !
 

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don't you just love AMERICA.. all these guys that wish they had balls, dream about accountability and responsibility..... they heard about it .... when men were men and reagan was president... difference, there are no men in their party & reagan is dead.....
 

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that might be a fear of Bidens, but could you imagine if McCain got elected and passed away and the country was in the hands of an uber wacko like Palin? You talk about fear, our country might never recover from such an inept leader whom very well could be even less ready for leadership than W, now thats terrifying.

how is Palin wacko? jealous some? She is a true CONSERVATIVE

She is the best thing for the GOP since Ronald Reagan
 

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You can't turn the Titanic around on a dime... We are F'ed either way you look at it...

Like I say on the golf course... "Need to stop the bleeding"
 

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Dogs-

If you are going to post some quotes of somebody post the whole thing. Not the Fox news version. The end of the quote that Dogs and Fox isn't stating " and when they test him they will see he has a spine made of steel". WOW it makes his comment come out alot different when the WHOLE thing is on display and not cut short for effect.

JC

I'll be waiting for you to post whole comment and show us where it was taken out of context.

Fair enough
--actual I like cbs's better than fox--any comment on theirs--would like to have seen NBC's but they refused to air it--if your a viewer might be why you have no knowledge of this-- ;)

John McCain's campaign seems to be playing a little hardball with the media in the final two weeks of the presidential race.

The campaign on Tuesday issued a statement decrying NBC News for its "apparent refusal" to air Joe Biden's controversial remarks that Barack Obama would face a "generated crisis" early on if he is elected.
"Biden's remarks capture perfectly the message of this campaign: Barack Obama is too risky, too inexperienced, to serve as commander in chief -- that his election by itself will provoke our enemies, and that his brief record raises serious questions as to how an Obama administration would respond to such a challenge," McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb said in the written statement.

"This campaign highlighted Biden's remarks throughout the day yesterday," he continued. "Yet on NBC Nightly News last night, when Andrea Mitchell reported on Biden's remarks, she failed to play the relevant portion -- the portion that this campaign and a variety of news outlets had found controversial, or revealing as the case may be."

A representative from NBC News could not be reached for comment.

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ABC News' Matthew Jaffe Reports: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., on Sunday guaranteed that if elected, Sen. Barack Obama., D-Ill., will be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by him as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular, decisions.

"Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

Not only will the next administration have to deal with foreign affairs issues, Biden warned, but also with the current economic crisis.

"Gird your loins," Biden told the crowd. "We're gonna win with your help, God willing, we're gonna win, but this is not gonna be an easy ride. This president, the next president, is gonna be left with the most significant task. It's like cleaning the Augean stables, man. This is more than just, this is more than ? think about it, literally, think about it ? this is more than just a capital crisis, this is more than just markets. This is a systemic problem we have with this economy."

The Delaware lawmaker managed to rake in an estimated $1 million total from his two money hauls at the downtown Sheraton, the same hotel where four years ago Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., clinched the Democratic nomination. Despite warning about the difficulties the next administration will face, Biden said the Democratic ticket is equipped to meet the challenges head on.

"I've forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I'm not being falsely humble with you. I think I can be value added, but this guy has it," the Senate Foreign Relations chairman said of Obama. "This guy has it. But he's gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us."

"There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'," Biden continued. "Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."

Biden emphasized that the mountainous Afghanistan-Pakistan border is of particular concern, with Osama bin Laden "alive and well" and Pakistan "bristling with nuclear weapons."

"You literally can see what these kids are up against, our kids in that region," Biden said in recalling when his helicopter was forced down due to a snowstorm there. "The place is crawling with al Qaeda. And it's real."

"We do not have the military capacity, nor have we ever, quite frankly, in the last 20 years, to dictate outcomes," he cautioned. "It's so much more important than that. It's so much more complicated than that. And Barack gets it."

After speaking for just over a quarter of an hour, Biden noticed the media presence in the back of the small ballroom.

"I probably shouldn't have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here," he joked.

"All kidding aside, these guys have left us in a God-awful place," he then said of the Bush regime, promptly wrapping up his remarks. "We have the ability to straighten it out. It's gonna take a little bit of time, so I ask you to stay with us. Stay with us."
 
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First off I vote who I think will do the best job. I would have voted for McCain last election over the Democrat if Bush didn't play his dirty tactics. So with that said I can't stand how Fox acts like they are fair and balanced when they are the most right leaning network but won't admit it. I don't watch MSNBC at all.

To your question where did I hear that part of the quote, right on your very own Fox. I heard it at the very first time Fox aired it and watched pretty much off and on the rest of the day and never heard that part again. Seriously Dogs do you think Fox is fair and balanced? If they are going to play a quote over and over play the whole thing. I wish just once that your hatred or disdain for the far left would remove some of your blinders.

jc
 

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For the life of me, in reading ALL of the recaps of Biden's commentary, I don't see anything all that negative or worrisome about them. I can see it if you are coming at it from a desperation angle, trying to stir something up and make it seem much worse than it is, but if you look at everything he said, he is being realistic. I would personally assume that Obama - and our country - would be tested within six months, or five, or ten, or whatever. We live in a crazy world and there are plenty of worrisome hot spots. Biden is of course qualified to know about them, and understand them, so Obama has a terrific person standing next to him to help him reason the best way to deal with them. And he has said he will rely on him, which is a good thing for anyone not trying to be dismissive or overtly political against dems at all cost.

In his commentary, that I guess is so controversial for some, he said these things about Obama specifically:

"We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. "

"I've forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I'm not being falsely humble with you. I think I can be value added, but this guy has it," the Senate Foreign Relations chairman said of Obama. "This guy has it."

"It's so much more important than that. It's so much more complicated than that. And Barack gets it."

Comparing him to John Kennedy and explaining what he thinks could happen makes a lot of sense. And I think if you look at Kennedy and how he dealt with most of those tough situations, we came out pretty well.

I feel very good about Obama and how he will deal with stressful and difficult situations. Especially considering Biden will be there with him, or even acting strongly on his behalf. And if you add in the new possibility that Colin Powell may be invited in to an administration position or at least as an advisor, and perhaps also Wesley Clark...even better.

But, you guys keep worrying. Keep being negative about what "might" happen. According to you guys, you are acting like liberals.
 
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