JOHN KERRY: The threat of Saddam with WMDs is REAL

[CHARLESMANSON]

JOHN KERRY - 1-23-03 :clap:

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."


What a complete hypocrite. And you guys call Bush a liar????? Priceless

John Kerry :s4: no plan, no solutions, no clue = no election victory

 

[Chadman]

So, in addressing this particular post:

John Kerry was using information presented to him by intelligence provided and presented by the current administration or by intelligence organizations under the control and direction of this administration in forming his assessment - much of which was disallowed, disavowed, and key viewpoints to the contrary of - were hidden. In short, he was not given all the valid information to make a good decision.

There are other ways to "disarm" people. Keeping things away from them is one, which we were doing, which was working. The assessment that he was a grievous threat has since been disputed and referenced in my first point. His grasping for WMD could even have been true and probably was, but that is different from actually obtaining them, let alone being able to use them against us is very much another.

In the Cold War era, Russia posed quite a serious threat to us. Did we invade Cuba, or Russia? No. Was the situation handled and taken care of in another, successful way? Yes. This is just an example of the difference between a real threat, and one that you must take a dramatic - and unreasonable - leap of faith to think is along the same lines.

You guys continue to try to blur the lines of reality. The situation really is pretty clear. The information used to create the scenario for an attack is not the same as the information presented to make it happen.

Voting for giving the President the power to use in a responsible way is different from actually using it. Especially when you are not given the real story.

You can call all the names out that you like. You can use the laughing smilies you like. But it doesn't change the facts. And even the Republicans are starting to understand the political ramifications of what they are forced to support publicly now, and are taking steps to minimize the damage before the next elections.

 

[JCDunkDogs]

Nice job, Chadman.

The sad part is that SOMEONE on the Republicans' side has spent so much time thinking up these lies.

The latest talking points are real whoppers. These Republicans are getting themselves tangled-up, deeper and deeper, in falsehoods. No one is funnier than a Republican with his/her foot in the trap. That's entertainment!

 

[spibble spab]

Dear Chad:

The reason why we didnt strike Russia during the cold war was the threat of immediate ICBM reprisals. Mutually assured destruction. I think Republican President Ronald Reagan played the major role in ending the cold war. Im tired of you undereducated liberals comparing wars. Hitler had NO WMDS!!!!! well, shit we should have just left him alone. Instead, hitler used gas and chems to kill innocent people. Exactly the same as what saddam did in Halabja. comparisons 101... did you know there IS evidence of saddam burying jets in the desert? didnt think so. Because you only hear what you want to hear.

How else should we have disarmed Saddam, since you stated there "are other ways"? Saddam kicked the UN out of Iraq 11 or 12 times during Clinton era. (Obviously, Sanctions seem to be working well for the people of North Korea.)
What would you have done? answer honestly. we're all ears.

Kerry, pelosi (et al) and Bush as well as the rest of the senate recieved the same intelligence. Including Iraqi sources and intercepted telephone calls between saddam and Iraqi officials saying that all of the WMDs arent destroyed yet.The CIA has confirmed, in interviews with detainees and informants it finds highly credible, that al Qaeda's Number 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, met with Iraqi intelligence in Baghdad in 1992 and 1998.

If you were president, what would you have done since everyone but Bush has the answers?

talk about blurring the lines, buddy. oh...heres a smily for you :s4:

Why did congress vote for the 87 billion then?
why did Kerry vote for AND against it?

you said Kerry did not have valid information to make a good decision. What valid information are we missing here. Please give an example. So bush knew there were no WMDs but sold the story anyways?? Oh, probably to get all the oil were getting from Iraq? (i still pay almost 3 bucks a gallon!) Do you honestly believe that? should he have gotten reams of intelligence and fired everyone in his administration and CIA and holding a closed meeting saying "well, i've looked at the evidence and intelligence you have provided me and I don't believe any of you, youre all fired? Yeah, what would Kerry have done? Would he have done that?

You also said there is a difference between grasping for WMDs and obtaining them. CHAD: the difference between the two is TIME. time the UN wanted to give him. Did you know saddam hated america after the first Iraq war after we stopped his invasion of kuwait? In saying that, would he NOT give al qaeda some WMDs to **** around with? oh. heres another smily for you, son :mj122:

 

[JCDunkDogs]

Kerry, pelosi (et al) and Bush as well as the rest of the senate recieved the same intelligence.

Let's get our facts straight, folks. The Senate did not get the "same intelligence" as Bush. That is a Republican myth.

The Washington Post did a fact check analysis of some of the President?s recent comments. Here is what they said:

?President Bush and his National Security Advisor have answered critics of the Iraq War with a two pronged argument: That Congress saw the same intelligence the Administration did before the War, and that independent commissions have determined that the Administration did not misrepresent the intelligence. Neither assertion is wholly accurate. Bush and his aides had access to much more voluminous intelligence information than did lawmakers, who were dependent on the Administration to provide them material, and the commissions cited by officials, though concluding that the Administration did not pressure intelligence analysts to change their conclusions, were not authorized to determine whether the Administration exaggerated or distorted those conclusions."

The President had more intelligence, more data, more information than a Senator or Congressman.

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

LMAO at you talking about "getting facts straight!!!!!"

Priceless liberal mindpower. You can spin it however you want by saying Bush had different intellegence but how then do you explain all the liberals quotes BEFORE BUSH WAS IN OFFICE????????

"Getting the facts Straight"....just for you JC junkdog......please explain these facts

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- (D) President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998


"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
-(D) Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998


"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- (D) Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998


"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

HAHAHAHA PELOSI??!!! :mj07: :mj07:


"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - (D) Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

If Bush provied the intelligence then how did all of those quotes that I listed occur before he was even in office???

:mj122:

 

[JCDunkDogs]

Sorry, Charles. I didn't mean to upset you. I was hoping for a constructive debate, but I guess that was impossible.

This thread is similar to two others, at least one of which is longer, and the other contains my post which answers your question.

 

[spibble spab]

just for you JC junkdog......please explain these facts[/SIZE]

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- (D) President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998


"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
-(D) Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998


"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- (D) Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998


"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

HAHAHAHA PELOSI??!!! :mj07: :mj07:


"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - (D) Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 [/B]

just pick two junkyard. hello?

 

[djv]

Mason you said it all. Quotes all came be for Bush was in office. So I wonder if they had new info by 2002/3. Sure they did and no one listen.

 

[Master Capper]

If Bush provied the intelligence then how did all of those quotes that I listed occur before he was even in office???


Well since your taking the quotes out of context and not providing the whole text should answer your own question

 

[spibble spab]

still waiting for junkyards reply. this is a good example of dodging

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

Better grab a seat...looks like it's gonna be a long wait.

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

yawn.........

 

[spibble spab]

:sadwave: you there junkyard? lets talk politics :sadwave: