Well Doc Im am glad to see you dont agree with all the chit coming out of DC by this spender. Because remember. If it's not him in his second term. It will be someone very soon coming to take some money back from us to pay for it all. So hurry up and get in a bigger tax bracket so you can get nipped good.
John Kerry
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LOL Dr. Yup must be a damn commie if I think the rich should pay a fair amount of tax. That has to be it. Just how will you raise the hopes of the middle class if you crush them with taxes that the rich don't have to pay? The less the middle class spends in taxes the more they will spend on products that will create jobs. The rich didn't seem too upset making money in the 90's. The middle class also made money then because they were working! It's really too bad that you have no grasp of what America stands for.
if the rich paid a fair amount of tax, they would be paying the same amount as everyone else....the top 10% of wage earners pay over 90% of the bills....that is ridiculous
it is way beyond fair...it is outrageous....and you want them to pay more??? LMAO
middle class just got a tax cut....seems to me with your rhetoric you should be happy about it
YOU have no idea what America stands for...you are an anti-success communist plundering anyone who works hard to get ahead....THAT is anti-American....YOU believe that you are entitled to someone's hard earned $$....That is Marxist ideology and is more in line with Vladimir Lenin than America
it is way beyond fair...it is outrageous....and you want them to pay more??? LMAO
middle class just got a tax cut....seems to me with your rhetoric you should be happy about it
YOU have no idea what America stands for...you are an anti-success communist plundering anyone who works hard to get ahead....THAT is anti-American....YOU believe that you are entitled to someone's hard earned $$....That is Marxist ideology and is more in line with Vladimir Lenin than America
I think a person might want to define middle class and poverty as well,while on that subject.
This two class systems-two america's that the libs use to stir up the indingent to make sure they retain 90% of their votes is a joke. buy same ole shit-similiar to diss big business then whine like babies when they take their ball and go elsewhere. If you think taking from the productive compensate the dead beats if feasible your in for rude awakening.
and poverty??
"According to a recent study by the Heritage Foundation (search), 46 percent of the technically "poor" live in their own homes, most with more living space than the average person in Paris, London or Vienna. While 73 percent own at least one car, 30 percent own two or more, and 76 percent have air conditioning. Also, according to the study, 65 percent have a washing machine, 97 percent have a color TV and 78 percent have a DVD player or VCR.
"I think we should see it as good news and be very grateful that poverty in this country is not worse and in fact, material hardship, as we know it, is significantly lower than many people might have previously imagined," said study author Melissa Pardue (search).
The bottom line is that a very small percentage of the 35 million people considered "poor" actually suffer real material hardships."
When I grew up the above standards were considered the affluent, Damn I didn't know how poor we were.I thought we were middle class.
It is futile to argue as you will always have the earners wanting to retain as much as possible and the deadbeats
thinking their entitled to it. after all "its not their fault"
Welfare is not condition for many but a way of life. Do you think for one minute its coincidence that the same segment of population that votes 90% democratic is same that has 70% of all children born illegitemately.
Turfs anology hit the nail on the head and while is may seem far out to some the day is not far in coming.
If you think not look at the facts:
'We are approaching the point where voters adversely affected by the income tax are a minority that can be exploited to the hilt. There are 129 million taxpayers. The top 5 percent of income earners (6.5 million people) already bear 54 percent of the income tax burden. The top 25 percent (32 million people) pay 83 percent of the total personal income tax collection.
The remaining 75 percent of taxpayers (97 million people) bear only 17 percent of the income tax burden, and 70 million voters have no income tax liability whatsoever.
With 167 million voters with little or no income tax liability and 32 million burdened with 83 percent of the liability, have we achieved the tyranny of the majority? Will the political temptation to plunder the minority and to turn them into tax slaves destroy the creativity and productivity of the American economy?
Paul Craig Roberts
This two class systems-two america's that the libs use to stir up the indingent to make sure they retain 90% of their votes is a joke. buy same ole shit-similiar to diss big business then whine like babies when they take their ball and go elsewhere. If you think taking from the productive compensate the dead beats if feasible your in for rude awakening.
and poverty??
"According to a recent study by the Heritage Foundation (search), 46 percent of the technically "poor" live in their own homes, most with more living space than the average person in Paris, London or Vienna. While 73 percent own at least one car, 30 percent own two or more, and 76 percent have air conditioning. Also, according to the study, 65 percent have a washing machine, 97 percent have a color TV and 78 percent have a DVD player or VCR.
"I think we should see it as good news and be very grateful that poverty in this country is not worse and in fact, material hardship, as we know it, is significantly lower than many people might have previously imagined," said study author Melissa Pardue (search).
The bottom line is that a very small percentage of the 35 million people considered "poor" actually suffer real material hardships."
When I grew up the above standards were considered the affluent, Damn I didn't know how poor we were.I thought we were middle class.
It is futile to argue as you will always have the earners wanting to retain as much as possible and the deadbeats
thinking their entitled to it. after all "its not their fault"
Welfare is not condition for many but a way of life. Do you think for one minute its coincidence that the same segment of population that votes 90% democratic is same that has 70% of all children born illegitemately.
Turfs anology hit the nail on the head and while is may seem far out to some the day is not far in coming.
If you think not look at the facts:
'We are approaching the point where voters adversely affected by the income tax are a minority that can be exploited to the hilt. There are 129 million taxpayers. The top 5 percent of income earners (6.5 million people) already bear 54 percent of the income tax burden. The top 25 percent (32 million people) pay 83 percent of the total personal income tax collection.
The remaining 75 percent of taxpayers (97 million people) bear only 17 percent of the income tax burden, and 70 million voters have no income tax liability whatsoever.
With 167 million voters with little or no income tax liability and 32 million burdened with 83 percent of the liability, have we achieved the tyranny of the majority? Will the political temptation to plunder the minority and to turn them into tax slaves destroy the creativity and productivity of the American economy?
Paul Craig Roberts
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What a election one guy Kerry looks like the Dorito guy and the other guy Bush looks like a chimp.
Percentiles Ranked by AGI / AGI Threshold on Percentiles / Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid
Top 1% / > $292,913 / 33.89%
Top 5% / $127,904 / 53.25%
Top 10% / $92,754 / 64.89%
Top 25% / $56,085 / 82.90%
Top 50% /$28,528 / 96.03%
Bottom 50% / <$28,528 / 3.97%
Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service
Top 1% / > $292,913 / 33.89%
Top 5% / $127,904 / 53.25%
Top 10% / $92,754 / 64.89%
Top 25% / $56,085 / 82.90%
Top 50% /$28,528 / 96.03%
Bottom 50% / <$28,528 / 3.97%
Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service
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The top 1 % of Income earners who's income is over $292,913 pay 33.89% of our entire tax bill.
Why them greedy sob's.
Why them greedy sob's.
But you forgot something. Tell us about how much total money they controll for that little sum they pay. Hey I think it stinks were all over taxed. But if were going to have a spender in the white house as we do now. Well you have to pay bills sooner or later. So hell that top 1% that controlls over 68% of the wealth in this country can handle another 1/2 % standing on there heads easy.
They wont even miss it. And since the polls say most 1 % voted for Bush they should be happy to pay alittle extra for all his programs.
They wont even miss it. And since the polls say most 1 % voted for Bush they should be happy to pay alittle extra for all his programs.
Why all of a sudden are budget deficits such a big deal....check it out but didn't the first budget deficits start with JFK? And continued until the republicans forced a supposed balance budget on Clinton. (I never believed it anyways, just accounting hocus-pocus IMO). All I know is that there are two presidents who have put more money in my pockets Reagan and Bush 43. (My biggest presidential voting mistake was Carter in '76.) I've got the tax returns to prove it. And you know what I did with that extra money.......you guessed it.......I spent it. Which grows the economy. My only comment on foreign policy is I don't want any limpwristed a-hole in the UN telling me whats important to our national security. As far as I'm concerned France or their butt buddies in Germany can start construction on a UN and have those freeloaders anytime.
WOW I can't believe I just wrote this I'm getting dizzy from being on this soapbox.
Take care
Bucky
WOW I can't believe I just wrote this I'm getting dizzy from being on this soapbox.
Take care
Bucky
Nope. And unless your in the top 1% you should have made a killing with Clintons tax cuts for the other 98.2% of us.
Turf Next time put "click on line" to read article--evidently they failed to read or have no comment
Have to admit Kerry is smarter than most liberals as he found way to extract huge amounts from society----- via marriage.
Could be interesting if he gets nomination and they unload some intersting stats on him.
Funny how Dean collected unprecidented amounts of contributions but when handwriting is on the wall they have suddenly been "absorbed". Hope huge amounts were Soro's.
Fortunately it was only the deserving sheep that got sheered here and not public in general.
Have to admit Kerry is smarter than most liberals as he found way to extract huge amounts from society----- via marriage.
Could be interesting if he gets nomination and they unload some intersting stats on him.
Funny how Dean collected unprecidented amounts of contributions but when handwriting is on the wall they have suddenly been "absorbed". Hope huge amounts were Soro's.
Fortunately it was only the deserving sheep that got sheered here and not public in general.
One of the most basic confusions is between income and wealth. You can have high income and low wealth or vice versa. We have all heard of athletes and entertainers who have earned millions and yet ended up broke. There are also people of relatively modest incomes who have saved and invested enough over the years to leave surprisingly large amounts of wealth to their heirs.
Income tax cuts apply to income, not wealth. So the fact that some rich people say that they do not need a tax cut means nothing because they are not getting a tax cut on their wealth, since their wealth is not being taxed anyway.
Looked at differently, high tax rates hit people who are currently earning high incomes -- usually late in life, after having worked their way up in their professions over a period of decades. Genuinely rich people who have never had to work a day in their lives -- people like John Kerry -- are unaffected by income taxes, except on what they are currently earning, which may be a tiny fraction of what they own.
In other words, soak-the-rich tax rates do not in fact soak the rich. They soak people who are currently earning the rewards of having contributed to the economy. High income taxes punish people for becoming prosperous, not for having been born rich.
Income tax cuts apply to income, not wealth. So the fact that some rich people say that they do not need a tax cut means nothing because they are not getting a tax cut on their wealth, since their wealth is not being taxed anyway.
Looked at differently, high tax rates hit people who are currently earning high incomes -- usually late in life, after having worked their way up in their professions over a period of decades. Genuinely rich people who have never had to work a day in their lives -- people like John Kerry -- are unaffected by income taxes, except on what they are currently earning, which may be a tiny fraction of what they own.
In other words, soak-the-rich tax rates do not in fact soak the rich. They soak people who are currently earning the rewards of having contributed to the economy. High income taxes punish people for becoming prosperous, not for having been born rich.
John Kerry can't stop talking about his Vietnam service, and some party operatives, including Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe, have been bad-mouthing President Bush for having joined the Texas Air National Guard and not serving in 'Nam. What a change from 12 years ago, when Bill Clinton, who did not serve in the military at all, was the Democratic nominee.
The Columbus Dispatch reports that in 1992 Kerry took to the Senate floor where he "assailed critics of President Clinton's lack of military service, saying, 'We do not need to divide America over who served and how' ":
Kerry compared Clinton's critics to "latter-day Spiro Agnews" by playing "to the worst instincts of divisiveness and reaction that still haunt America. Are we now going to create a new scarlet letter in the context of Vietnam?"
"The race for the White House should be about leadership and leadership requires that one help heal the wounds of Vietnam, not reopen them," Kerry said at the time. "I am saddened by the fact that Vietnam has yet again been inserted into the campaign," Kerry said. "What saddens me most is that Democrats, above all those who shared the agonies of that generation, should now be refighting the many conflicts of Vietnam in order to win the current political conflict."
LINK TO HIS SPEECH---LINK ---LINK TO HIS SPEECH
The Columbus Dispatch reports that in 1992 Kerry took to the Senate floor where he "assailed critics of President Clinton's lack of military service, saying, 'We do not need to divide America over who served and how' ":
Kerry compared Clinton's critics to "latter-day Spiro Agnews" by playing "to the worst instincts of divisiveness and reaction that still haunt America. Are we now going to create a new scarlet letter in the context of Vietnam?"
"The race for the White House should be about leadership and leadership requires that one help heal the wounds of Vietnam, not reopen them," Kerry said at the time. "I am saddened by the fact that Vietnam has yet again been inserted into the campaign," Kerry said. "What saddens me most is that Democrats, above all those who shared the agonies of that generation, should now be refighting the many conflicts of Vietnam in order to win the current political conflict."
LINK TO HIS SPEECH---LINK ---LINK TO HIS SPEECH
They pay the most because they make the most. Is that so hard to understand? Put money in the pocket of the working stiff and he will spend it. Not a hard concept to grasp after you get thru the trickle down theory. Jobless claims up again this month! Funny, I could of sworn a couple of months ago all them right wingers out there were posting links about how good the economy was doing.
Steve the Stock market improved. That does not mean the economy has improved. Reason is to many companies now off shore. Does little for those here at home in need of good jobs.
Yes burger flippers, wal mart, even apple pickers may apply. Thats about it. The right has lost site on what good jobs are.
Yes burger flippers, wal mart, even apple pickers may apply. Thats about it. The right has lost site on what good jobs are.
Well stated Turf,
We had a fu**ing coward in office for 8 years and it sure didn't bother all the libs then, now all of sudden they have a veteren running and serving means everything.
What a bunch of hypocrites and liars.:thefinger
We had a fu**ing coward in office for 8 years and it sure didn't bother all the libs then, now all of sudden they have a veteren running and serving means everything.
What a bunch of hypocrites and liars.:thefinger
you could
you could
cut the irony with a knife,it`s so thick....
i understand that Kerry`s going to tab Audie Murphy as his runningmate... :thinking:......
you could
cut the irony with a knife,it`s so thick....
i understand that Kerry`s going to tab Audie Murphy as his runningmate... :thinking:......
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