The National Guard that Bush's father got him into was not the National Guard of today. In those days it was a haven for the rich to skip the war without taking a stand against it. But that being said I find it amusing how all the chicken hawks can blast a guy who served. I don't think anyone in the present White House served so you better be careful when you call Clinton a coward for not serving because it looks like he had a lot of company.
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I don't have to be careful about calling Clinton a fu**ing coward, that is true as the stain on the blue dress.
There is a BIG BIG difference between serving in the Nat'l Guard no matter what is was (sour grapes on your part) and writing letter after letter to higher ups, friends, Generals, crying and whining about military service all the while spinning lie after lie to get out of serving even in the National Guard.
Let me say it again Clinton was a fu**king coward and liar!
There is a BIG BIG difference between serving in the Nat'l Guard no matter what is was (sour grapes on your part) and writing letter after letter to higher ups, friends, Generals, crying and whining about military service all the while spinning lie after lie to get out of serving even in the National Guard.
Let me say it again Clinton was a fu**king coward and liar!
LMFAO! Why don't we just put Wayne Gretsky is the oval office...
SI: If you could challenge President Bush to any sport, one-on-one, what would it be?
Kerry: He's a better runner; I'm a better hockey player. Maybe we'd have to compete on neither ice nor asphalt -- how about windsurfing?
SI: A few years ago you were profiled in American Windsurfer and said windsurfing can be like meditation. Explain.
Kerry: It's the mixture of the wind and the sea and flying. There's a lot of freedom, and when everything is dialed in right, you're just right there, focused on getting it right.
:shrug:
SI: If you could challenge President Bush to any sport, one-on-one, what would it be?
Kerry: He's a better runner; I'm a better hockey player. Maybe we'd have to compete on neither ice nor asphalt -- how about windsurfing?
SI: A few years ago you were profiled in American Windsurfer and said windsurfing can be like meditation. Explain.
Kerry: It's the mixture of the wind and the sea and flying. There's a lot of freedom, and when everything is dialed in right, you're just right there, focused on getting it right.
:shrug:
DJV "Nope. And unless your in the top 1% you should have made a killing with Clintons tax cuts for the other 98.2% of us."
How many times do I have to remind you, your net worth has doubled since Clinton left office?????
Yet you continue to praise Clinton and diss Bush. Kinda of like the National Organization of Women praising and backing Clinton.
I am having the hardest time understanding the rational of a liberal
"Yes burger flippers, wal mart, even apple pickers may apply. Thats about it. The right has lost site on what good jobs are."
More amazing rational from the left.
Their ranks include majority of those on welfare yet they are the ones too good to work these kind of jobs and why not, the gov makes it more profitable to sit on their ass or " lay on their back".
Forunately years ago most people found more pride in working any job rather than welfare.Not so anymore.
The majority are unemployed because they want to be.
If a person is in their 20's and had initiative to finish high school there is job opening in any state that pays decent wage-has 100% paid for insurance-free room and board-opportunity for travel and advancement-non discriminatory of race or gender and good retirement in 20 years. Yet rather than the take opportunity they sit on their collective asses and whine about how fuking bad they got it.
Bottom line if you want a job you can find one--or if you rather sit on your ass and whine you can do that also. I have yet to open a paper to classifieds and not find pages of job offerings--of course they won't start you out at $50,000 or pay as much as unemployment or welfare----and I understand you do not like the people that busted their ass to get ahead and earn higher incomes, your entiteled to them to right?--after all its not your fault you hang out all night get up at noon.
How many times do I have to remind you, your net worth has doubled since Clinton left office?????
Yet you continue to praise Clinton and diss Bush. Kinda of like the National Organization of Women praising and backing Clinton.
I am having the hardest time understanding the rational of a liberal
"Yes burger flippers, wal mart, even apple pickers may apply. Thats about it. The right has lost site on what good jobs are."
More amazing rational from the left.
Their ranks include majority of those on welfare yet they are the ones too good to work these kind of jobs and why not, the gov makes it more profitable to sit on their ass or " lay on their back".
Forunately years ago most people found more pride in working any job rather than welfare.Not so anymore.
The majority are unemployed because they want to be.
If a person is in their 20's and had initiative to finish high school there is job opening in any state that pays decent wage-has 100% paid for insurance-free room and board-opportunity for travel and advancement-non discriminatory of race or gender and good retirement in 20 years. Yet rather than the take opportunity they sit on their collective asses and whine about how fuking bad they got it.
Bottom line if you want a job you can find one--or if you rather sit on your ass and whine you can do that also. I have yet to open a paper to classifieds and not find pages of job offerings--of course they won't start you out at $50,000 or pay as much as unemployment or welfare----and I understand you do not like the people that busted their ass to get ahead and earn higher incomes, your entiteled to them to right?--after all its not your fault you hang out all night get up at noon.
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Bottom line I more then double my wealth under Clinton. Dam near tribled. Then dam near lost 1/3 with Bush 2001/2002. Have now gained back all I lost. And Im at least up a little.
Bottom line jobs folks are loseing payed well an had good bennies. Jobs now avaliable pay low and have little or no Bennies. Cant blame folks that had 15/16 dollar jobs now being told what we have left is 6/7 dollar jobs. So many work two jobs when they used to work one.
Deficit were told dont worry about it. We better. Soon interest rates that are being held down will go up as a hidden tax to help pay for what that deficit will do.
Back when Nixon started to run a deficit and Ford had no idea how to slow it down. In came Carter who even had less of a idea. The three of them in a row brought us 15/16% interest rates for homes and cars. Credit cards were running 18%to 21%. You talk about a hidden tax. If They never stop spending like nuts and stealing more money fron S S. With in a year those interest rates will be going up and up. Net result any tax cut is lost on high interest rates. Of course if you stay home spend no money you dont worry about rates. But then the economy dies.
Ctownguy is right Clinton lied. As Nixon did. As Bush did. And yes in the 60's NG was a hideing place from going to Nam. Just as college was for so many.
Bottom line jobs folks are loseing payed well an had good bennies. Jobs now avaliable pay low and have little or no Bennies. Cant blame folks that had 15/16 dollar jobs now being told what we have left is 6/7 dollar jobs. So many work two jobs when they used to work one.
Deficit were told dont worry about it. We better. Soon interest rates that are being held down will go up as a hidden tax to help pay for what that deficit will do.
Back when Nixon started to run a deficit and Ford had no idea how to slow it down. In came Carter who even had less of a idea. The three of them in a row brought us 15/16% interest rates for homes and cars. Credit cards were running 18%to 21%. You talk about a hidden tax. If They never stop spending like nuts and stealing more money fron S S. With in a year those interest rates will be going up and up. Net result any tax cut is lost on high interest rates. Of course if you stay home spend no money you dont worry about rates. But then the economy dies.
Ctownguy is right Clinton lied. As Nixon did. As Bush did. And yes in the 60's NG was a hideing place from going to Nam. Just as college was for so many.
I haven't really followed the political races this year, fact is I haven't followed many at all and I'm just damn glad this crap only surfaces every four years and that I have ESPN and some other cable channels that don't clog the tv with all the political hype.....
Maybe I'm just a little too practical of a person....but as I see it, running the country is THE biggest business of them all, this is not some little mom and pop grocery store we are trying to run...
Find me someone who can do this job right and he can do this job for as long as he wants.....term limits mean little to me. If he's an a$$hole I don't want him in there to begin with. If he can run the country and make it prosper then we have little reason to vote him out, right? My analogy would be someone, say your auto mechanic. You've taken your vehicles for years to this one guy and he does an absolute fantastic job......are you gonna quit taking your vehicle to him to fix just because he's been your mechanic for ten years and you believe in term limits? No.
Term limits pretty much just limit the time of corruption and bribes from special interest groups.........there really is no difference between having 6 a$$holes in office in a span of 24 years or having 1 a$$hole in office for 24 years. Either way you're stuck with 24 years of poor business management.
Candidates have a way with bringing out the dirt on thier opponents.......someday will they quit the negative campaigning, tell the public exactly what thier position is on the issues and then try to fulfill all thier lofty promises once in office? Doubtful. Once you tell the public your position on the issues then of course you lose the vote of people on the opposite side of yours. Better off telling them some long-winded speech at the end of which the public really doesn't know where you stand, therefore still enabling you to collect as many votes as possible without offending anyone who would perceive you to be a threat to thier stance on a subject.
Candidates also have this way of bringing to light the fact that they fought in some war in some far off country while thier opponent was a draft dodger who went to college to avoid getting his ass shot off. Oh yes, as a candidate let's play The Patriotism Card. "I fought in a war and you didn't"......."that makes me better suited to run a country".......hate to burst your bubble Mr. Candidate but no, it doesn't, considering the fact that pretty much all the wars we fought in since World War II were OTHER PEOPLES WARS THAT THE USA CONVENIENTLY CHOSE TO PICK A SIDE AND FIGHT IN, they were NOT wars fought in self-defense as you could draw the case against the Japanese theater of World War II...........
If there were 58,178 more draft dodgers during the Vietnam war then of course we wouldn't have a huge wall with all thier names etched across it located across from the Korean war memorial......not to mention all the guys who came back to spend the rest of thier lives missing arms or legs, crippled and living the rest of thier days in wheelchairs. I have nothing against soldiers who fought in wars.....Yes, freedom is not free and some gave the ultimate sacrifice......it's just that a lot of men died in wars playing the pawns in government war games and fighting under "rules of engagement" and dying because of it. We could have won in Vietnam if we wanted to and spent a whole lot less of our own blood in doing it.
My question is why were we there in the fvcking first place?
Someone please tell me where in Korea or Vietnam can I find a memorial wall for all of THIER soldiers who fought and died in OUR civil war? How many died at Gettysburg in the mid 1800's? Could it be they were minding thier own business and tending to thier rice paddies back then and respecting the autonomy of another country?
Knowing the history of the United States military the only way in hell I would ever serve in the forces would be if the beaches on our coastline were being invaded. Don't feed me any crap about "rules of engagement" because it's going to get brutal and be over with in a hurry and the sharks can clean up whats left of the invading force.
Short of that scenario happening about the only thing the military is good for is getting you killed.
Ok, maybe it's good for something else........maybe we could use it as an outlet to waste billions of tax dollars rebuilding an oil rich country such as Iraq, while ours ages to pieces or gets levelled from floods, fire, tornadoes, earthquakes, hurricanes and other disasters besides plain old age. Build a school over thier and make some cuts over here because there just isn't enough money to go around.
Have they decided yet on which foreign country is going to rebuild our world trade towers or the 2 shuttles that are scattered in pieces? I guess not.
If my post seems a little cynical, snide and sarcastic........well, yes it is and maybe justifiably so. Maybe I've witnessed too many hollow statements from politicians who fail to respond once they get in office.......no one seems to be able to address this country's problems.......problems which will only get WORSE as time goes by. I could make a long list past education, welfare, health care, social security, and other economic issues. We have enough national debt in this country without taking on some other nations.
Crimes against morality are filling courtrooms and prisons when the rapists and murderers are the people society needs to worry about. We have all kinds of law enforcement engaged in controlling crimes of consent......Should they really give a crap if someone put a dollar on the 'niners........or whether or not money was exchanged for sexual favors in light of the fact that you can pick up women at bars for free and there are no laws against that? What the hell kind of standard is that? Giving something away for free is fine but charging for it is a punishable crime? If someone can explain that one to me please let me know.
Keep the minors out of it and quit pursuing crimes of consent.
Religion is for old women and young children and politics is for old men.......I'm not old enough yet to be all that involved with politics, judging from my current level of cynicism about politics I doubt that I will ever be politically motivated. The only way I'd get into politics was if it looked like we could actually get someone in office who wasn't interested in the power and the money and the position, who actually cut through all the bull$hit and went about the business of RUNNING THE COUNTRY, RUNNING OUR COUNTRY, and not everyone else's.
Of the people, by the people, and for the people does not mean the whole goddamn planet.......for starters how about that piece of land laying roughly between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans bordering Canada's south border and Mexico's north border, and those two pieces of land called Hawaii and Alaska?
Maybe I'm just a little too practical of a person....but as I see it, running the country is THE biggest business of them all, this is not some little mom and pop grocery store we are trying to run...
Find me someone who can do this job right and he can do this job for as long as he wants.....term limits mean little to me. If he's an a$$hole I don't want him in there to begin with. If he can run the country and make it prosper then we have little reason to vote him out, right? My analogy would be someone, say your auto mechanic. You've taken your vehicles for years to this one guy and he does an absolute fantastic job......are you gonna quit taking your vehicle to him to fix just because he's been your mechanic for ten years and you believe in term limits? No.
Term limits pretty much just limit the time of corruption and bribes from special interest groups.........there really is no difference between having 6 a$$holes in office in a span of 24 years or having 1 a$$hole in office for 24 years. Either way you're stuck with 24 years of poor business management.
Candidates have a way with bringing out the dirt on thier opponents.......someday will they quit the negative campaigning, tell the public exactly what thier position is on the issues and then try to fulfill all thier lofty promises once in office? Doubtful. Once you tell the public your position on the issues then of course you lose the vote of people on the opposite side of yours. Better off telling them some long-winded speech at the end of which the public really doesn't know where you stand, therefore still enabling you to collect as many votes as possible without offending anyone who would perceive you to be a threat to thier stance on a subject.
Candidates also have this way of bringing to light the fact that they fought in some war in some far off country while thier opponent was a draft dodger who went to college to avoid getting his ass shot off. Oh yes, as a candidate let's play The Patriotism Card. "I fought in a war and you didn't"......."that makes me better suited to run a country".......hate to burst your bubble Mr. Candidate but no, it doesn't, considering the fact that pretty much all the wars we fought in since World War II were OTHER PEOPLES WARS THAT THE USA CONVENIENTLY CHOSE TO PICK A SIDE AND FIGHT IN, they were NOT wars fought in self-defense as you could draw the case against the Japanese theater of World War II...........
If there were 58,178 more draft dodgers during the Vietnam war then of course we wouldn't have a huge wall with all thier names etched across it located across from the Korean war memorial......not to mention all the guys who came back to spend the rest of thier lives missing arms or legs, crippled and living the rest of thier days in wheelchairs. I have nothing against soldiers who fought in wars.....Yes, freedom is not free and some gave the ultimate sacrifice......it's just that a lot of men died in wars playing the pawns in government war games and fighting under "rules of engagement" and dying because of it. We could have won in Vietnam if we wanted to and spent a whole lot less of our own blood in doing it.
My question is why were we there in the fvcking first place?
Someone please tell me where in Korea or Vietnam can I find a memorial wall for all of THIER soldiers who fought and died in OUR civil war? How many died at Gettysburg in the mid 1800's? Could it be they were minding thier own business and tending to thier rice paddies back then and respecting the autonomy of another country?
Knowing the history of the United States military the only way in hell I would ever serve in the forces would be if the beaches on our coastline were being invaded. Don't feed me any crap about "rules of engagement" because it's going to get brutal and be over with in a hurry and the sharks can clean up whats left of the invading force.
Short of that scenario happening about the only thing the military is good for is getting you killed.
Ok, maybe it's good for something else........maybe we could use it as an outlet to waste billions of tax dollars rebuilding an oil rich country such as Iraq, while ours ages to pieces or gets levelled from floods, fire, tornadoes, earthquakes, hurricanes and other disasters besides plain old age. Build a school over thier and make some cuts over here because there just isn't enough money to go around.
Have they decided yet on which foreign country is going to rebuild our world trade towers or the 2 shuttles that are scattered in pieces? I guess not.
If my post seems a little cynical, snide and sarcastic........well, yes it is and maybe justifiably so. Maybe I've witnessed too many hollow statements from politicians who fail to respond once they get in office.......no one seems to be able to address this country's problems.......problems which will only get WORSE as time goes by. I could make a long list past education, welfare, health care, social security, and other economic issues. We have enough national debt in this country without taking on some other nations.
Crimes against morality are filling courtrooms and prisons when the rapists and murderers are the people society needs to worry about. We have all kinds of law enforcement engaged in controlling crimes of consent......Should they really give a crap if someone put a dollar on the 'niners........or whether or not money was exchanged for sexual favors in light of the fact that you can pick up women at bars for free and there are no laws against that? What the hell kind of standard is that? Giving something away for free is fine but charging for it is a punishable crime? If someone can explain that one to me please let me know.
Keep the minors out of it and quit pursuing crimes of consent.
Religion is for old women and young children and politics is for old men.......I'm not old enough yet to be all that involved with politics, judging from my current level of cynicism about politics I doubt that I will ever be politically motivated. The only way I'd get into politics was if it looked like we could actually get someone in office who wasn't interested in the power and the money and the position, who actually cut through all the bull$hit and went about the business of RUNNING THE COUNTRY, RUNNING OUR COUNTRY, and not everyone else's.
Of the people, by the people, and for the people does not mean the whole goddamn planet.......for starters how about that piece of land laying roughly between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans bordering Canada's south border and Mexico's north border, and those two pieces of land called Hawaii and Alaska?
I like DJV and his opinions but do wish they were supported by more facts or sources. Somehow I can not get the grasp of opinions that contradict obvious facts.
Case in point:
Opinion>Bottom line I more then double my wealth under Clinton. Dam near tribled. Then dam near lost 1/3 with Bush 2001/2002. Have now gained back all I lost. And Im at least up a little.
Fact Price of ASD (his retirement company) on Nov 2000 when Slick left office $40 a share/
Price at close on Friday ASD 107.50
Now,pray tell me how does your opinion support the facts>
Could it be Slick told you he did so and knowing he would never tell a lie bring you to that conclusion or is the new liberal math--anyway it does help me understand your trend of thought when you say ecomomy is getting no better.
---but I must stick to my guns and admit that IMHO interest rates are driving force of economy and still don't think any president has but very little input on eco conditions. Personally I would not give Bush over a grade C on economy as result of his medicare bill. I don't mind short term spending spikes but this type of expenditure is of permanant and escalating nature. BAD MOVE!!!!
Case in point:
Opinion>Bottom line I more then double my wealth under Clinton. Dam near tribled. Then dam near lost 1/3 with Bush 2001/2002. Have now gained back all I lost. And Im at least up a little.
Fact Price of ASD (his retirement company) on Nov 2000 when Slick left office $40 a share/
Price at close on Friday ASD 107.50
Now,pray tell me how does your opinion support the facts>
Could it be Slick told you he did so and knowing he would never tell a lie bring you to that conclusion or is the new liberal math--anyway it does help me understand your trend of thought when you say ecomomy is getting no better.
---but I must stick to my guns and admit that IMHO interest rates are driving force of economy and still don't think any president has but very little input on eco conditions. Personally I would not give Bush over a grade C on economy as result of his medicare bill. I don't mind short term spending spikes but this type of expenditure is of permanant and escalating nature. BAD MOVE!!!!
Greenspan is keeping intrest rates low. Just like he raised them to produce what they like to call the "Clinton Recession" he is keeping them low to help Boy George look good. After having to raise them 4 times during the last election he has lowered them something like 14 times in a row since. Even rumors that they will raise causes the market to go down. And this dispite the country having to rearm itself after two wars. After the election, no matter who wins, look for Greenspan to raise the rates up to a more realistic level. Be careful with your 401k's.
Agree with you on both counts Stevie. I don't think they were political moves but G-Span did spin us into recession at tail end of Clintons term. I have never faulted Clinton on recession as I agree it was not his fault I also do not think that they invented the internet either that led to all the temporary jobs and tax revenue.
Both Bush and Clinton and others are at the mercy of economy not visa versa. Bush got huge help from low interset rates no doubt about it.--again I don't think either move was politically motivated on G-Spans part, my reason is he is too errogant and would not risk being wrong ,however he mosted definately tweeked interest a few too many times in Bills term regardless of motive.
Both Bush and Clinton and others are at the mercy of economy not visa versa. Bush got huge help from low interset rates no doubt about it.--again I don't think either move was politically motivated on G-Spans part, my reason is he is too errogant and would not risk being wrong ,however he mosted definately tweeked interest a few too many times in Bills term regardless of motive.
djv has a great point
djv has a great point
I work in the semiconductor industry, ie, integrated circuit making business. Our plant in Arlington, TX is one of only 2 left in the United States and is in great concern about being shutdown. Everything is being converted and transferred overseas, just on the cost of payroll alone. China will soon get all of our business. How can you compete with someone making $1000.00 per year? Stock is rising, yet more and more manufacturing jobs are going to Mexico and/or China. Cheaper labor keeps the stockholders happy. Pretty soon, another 1200 + will be out of a job. Including myself...
djv has a great point
I work in the semiconductor industry, ie, integrated circuit making business. Our plant in Arlington, TX is one of only 2 left in the United States and is in great concern about being shutdown. Everything is being converted and transferred overseas, just on the cost of payroll alone. China will soon get all of our business. How can you compete with someone making $1000.00 per year? Stock is rising, yet more and more manufacturing jobs are going to Mexico and/or China. Cheaper labor keeps the stockholders happy. Pretty soon, another 1200 + will be out of a job. Including myself...
help me out here guys. the rate your income is taxed increases the more money you make (depending which bracket you fall in). is it fair to tax my income at a higher rate because i earn more money than someone else ? maybe so , but this 33% is bs. the tax system in this country is pure $hit regardless of your income or political affiliation. you get taxed when you earn it, spend it, and when you invest it (provided you are lucky enough to earn intrest). the spending of this current admin is sick, but the biggest problem i see for average americans is the jobs lost over seas and the illegal immigrant labor in this country. jmo. if bush does grant these temp work permits i may abstain from voting for the first time ever. i refuse to vote for anyone who wants gov healthcare. regardless. we tried it in tn and tenn care is bankrupt at this point. :shrug:
the spending of this current admin is sick, but the biggest problem i see for average americans is the jobs lost over seas and the illegal immigrant labor in this country. jmo. if bush does grant these temp work permits i may abstain from voting for the first time ever. i refuse to vote for anyone who wants gov healthcare. regardless. we tried it in tn and tenn care is bankrupt at this point. :shrug:Elvis ou are so right. And you even left out some taxes. They dont call them that. They call them license and fees. It's got so bad in my city they now charge 10 bucks a year to have a cat in your house. Dogs are 15 bucks. All license have gone up big time in last year to cover tax cuts. Tax cuts just ment less to be given back to the states. Licensen Plates up 5 bucks. Driver license up 10 bucks. Boat up 15 bucks. Hunting up 10 bucks. Speeding tickets doubled. House Taxes up 200 bucks to cover loss from feds for schools. Now have water tax about 9 bucks a year. Telephone up 2 bucks. Cable TV up 2 bucks. I just love it when they say you got a tax cut. All they should say is we just shifted it to a few other places. Then of course as many of us know. We have Sales Taxes. And they cover more and more each year.
We need one tax. A national sales tax and thats it. Dont for get the gas tax. I understand ours is going up another 1 or 2 pennies.
We need one tax. A national sales tax and thats it. Dont for get the gas tax. I understand ours is going up another 1 or 2 pennies.
djv,
I can not believe my eyes, this is one of the first posts I have read from you that sounds like you might really be a Republican.
I'll tell you, from your post how can you even say you vote for a man and not a party. On this issue alone no one could ever vote for a democrat because as sure as the sun rises every morning they are the party of taxes, fees, etc and their is no disputing it.
Yea, Yea, Bush as spent way too much, just like his old man trying to win over the left, but it will never happen. And just because his spending is way out of line that should NEVER BE AN EXCUSE TO VOTE DEMOCRAT, THEY WILL TAX YOU AT 100% IF THEY GOT THE CHANCE, YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK, ALSO!
There are so many one issue voters out there, abortion probably one of the biggest, yet everyone cries and whines about all the money given to gov't in one form or the other and then they will turn around and vote democrat, the one party that will take everything you have, just because they belong to a union or are pro abortion etc.
It makes no sense to me, my hard earned money is more important to me than anything else in politics and I would never vote democrat for that reason. If they take your money you will have no power at all and couple that with trying to disarm everyone, we might as well start calling each other comrade.
It's so simple it's stupid, work hard, keep what you earn and not get it redistributed, and let your own money work for you not some gov't bureaucracy...... you only have 2 choices and democrat is not the one to choose:nono:
I can not believe my eyes, this is one of the first posts I have read from you that sounds like you might really be a Republican.
I'll tell you, from your post how can you even say you vote for a man and not a party. On this issue alone no one could ever vote for a democrat because as sure as the sun rises every morning they are the party of taxes, fees, etc and their is no disputing it.
Yea, Yea, Bush as spent way too much, just like his old man trying to win over the left, but it will never happen. And just because his spending is way out of line that should NEVER BE AN EXCUSE TO VOTE DEMOCRAT, THEY WILL TAX YOU AT 100% IF THEY GOT THE CHANCE, YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK, ALSO!
There are so many one issue voters out there, abortion probably one of the biggest, yet everyone cries and whines about all the money given to gov't in one form or the other and then they will turn around and vote democrat, the one party that will take everything you have, just because they belong to a union or are pro abortion etc.
It makes no sense to me, my hard earned money is more important to me than anything else in politics and I would never vote democrat for that reason. If they take your money you will have no power at all and couple that with trying to disarm everyone, we might as well start calling each other comrade.
It's so simple it's stupid, work hard, keep what you earn and not get it redistributed, and let your own money work for you not some gov't bureaucracy...... you only have 2 choices and democrat is not the one to choose:nono:
Don't see any answer to keep jobs here. If it was to be done "we the people" would have to be driving force.
I look back at auto industry years ago when population went to buying foreign cars and said basically fck the American auto worker--little did they realize their industry might be next.
I look back at auto industry years ago when population went to buying foreign cars and said basically fck the American auto worker--little did they realize their industry might be next.
DTB Amen to that. Americans have got to start thinking more about what is good for here at home. Could be DTB,were getting more and more in our country that really dont worry to much about the long run. There just here for a short race.
The Bible instructs us not to be ignorant of Satan's devices and it predicts that, as the Second Coming of Christ draws near, the world will be drawn into a One World Government, ultimately to be taken over by a Coming World Leader1. The forces setting the stage for this final climactic chapter may have proceeded farther than most people realize.
Few Americans know of the betrayal that was plotted on Jekyll Island, Georgia, which was destined to defraud Americans of their wealth and opportunity, and would eventually lead to the subjugation of our great democratic experiment to a centralized global dictatorship.2
The Betrayal
In November of 1910, after having consulted with Rothschild banks in England, France, and Germany, Senator Nelson Aldrich3 boarded a private train in Hoboken, New Jersey. His destination was Jekyll Island, Georgia, and a private hunting club owned by J.P. Morgan.4
Aboard the train were six other men: Benjamin Strong, President of Morgan's Bankers Trust Company; Charles Norton, President of Morgan's First National Bank of New York; Henry Davidson, senior partner of J. P. Morgan; Frank Vanderlip, President of Kuhn Loeb's National City Bank of New York; A. Piatt Andrew, Assistant Secretary of Treasury; and Paul Warburg.5 The secret meeting, as described by one its architects, Frank Vanderlip, went as follows:
"There was an occasion near the close of 1910 when I was as secretive, indeed as furtive, as any conspirator. I do not feel it is any exaggeration to speak of our secret expedition to Jekyll Island as the occasion of the actual conception of what eventually became the Federal Reserve System.
"We were told to leave our last names behind us. We were told further that we should avoid dining together on the night of our departure. We were instructed to come one at a time... where Senator Aldrich's private car would be in readiness, attached to the rear end of the train for the South.
"Once aboard the private car, we began to observe the taboo that had been fixed on last names. Discovery, we knew, simply must not happen, or else all our time and effort would be wasted..."6
The goal was to establish a private bank that would control the national currency. The challenge was to slip the scheme by the representatives of the American people. Earlier, it had been called the Aldrich Bill and received effective opposition.
The devious planners of the revised bill titled it "The Federal Reserve Act" to mask its real nature. It would create a system controlled by private individuals who would control the nation's issue of money. Furthermore, the Federal Reserve Board, composed of twelve districts and one director (The Federal Reserve Chairman) would control the nation's financial resources by controlling the money supply and available credit, all by mortgaging the government through borrowing.
Divide and Conquer
The conspirators had a problem, however. President William Howard Taft had made it clear he would veto such a bill if it was introduced. They had to make sure he would not win reelection.
They first supported ex-President Teddy Roosevelt in the Republican primaries, but he failed to get the nomination. Then the bankers supported the Democratic contender, Woodrow Wilson.
In exchange for their support, Wilson promised to sign their bill into law. But the polls indicated that Wilson would only draw about 45% of the votes. The bankers needed someone who could draw a sufficient number of Republican votes away from Taft without harming their Democratic candidate. They arranged for Teddy Roosevelt to run against both men by representing a newly invented third party: the "Bull Moose" party. (Doesn't this sound familiar? Using a Ross Perot to defeat George Bush and get Bill Clinton elected? Dividing the votes of the potential winner to elect a minority candidate is a tactic used more frequently than we realize.)
The plan worked. The Federal Reserve Bill was held until December 23 (two days before Christmas!) before it was presented to the House and Senate. Only those senators and congressmen who had not gone home for the holidays--those who owed favors to, or were on the payroll of, the bankers--were present to sign the legislation. (Involved behind the scenes in the elections of Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt was "Colonel" Edward Mandell House, son of the Civil War Rothschild agent Thomas W. House.7 "Col" Edward House represented the interests of the Rothschild banks, and was originally a member of the Institute of International Affairs, formed in Paris at the Majestic Hotel in a secret meeting on May 30, 1919. Its American branch, formed on July 29, 1921, became the Council on Foreign Relations.)
The Charade Begins
The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was a deliberate charade to pacify the American voters. They'd been crying out for banking reform and had held scores of elections, alternating one set of politicians with another, only to find them selves with the same programs and deeper debt.
Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr.8 had complained at the time:
"It is a common practice of congressmen to make the title of acts promise aright, but in the body or text of the acts to rob the people of what is promised in the title."9
He pointed out that the government officeholders understood:
"...that by joining with the [banking] interests to exploit the people, their reelection is more certain than if they serve people who elect them. By joining the exploiters their campaign expenses are paid, the support of the 'machines' and the capital press is assured, and if by chance they should lose they are appointed to the same office that should suit them equally or better."10
The same phenomenon is visible today. The same cast of characters emerge in key positions whether the nation votes Democrat or Republican. Both sides appear to have sold out. (This tradition of betrayal has continued with the "North American Free Trade Agreement," and the GATT "Agreement," both of which were called "agreements" to avoid having to pass the 2/3 majority of the Senate. However, the White House Internet files labeled them "treaties" as soon as they were passed.) Even Woodrow Wilson felt he had made a terrible mistake in signing the bill. He later wrote:
"Some of the biggest men in the United States in the field of commerce and manufacture are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it..."11
The name "Federal Reserve Bank" was designed to deceive, and it still does. It is not federal, nor is it owned by the government. It is privately owned. It pays its own postage like any other corporation. Its employees are not civil service. Its physical property is held under private deeds and is subject to local taxation (government property is not).
It is an engine that has created private wealth that is unimaginable, even to the most financially sophisticated. It has enabled an imperial elite to manipulate our economy for its own agenda and enlisted the government itself as its enforcer. It "controls the times, dictates business, affects our homes and practically everything in which we are interested."12
How Does It Work?
The Federal Reserve System is nothing more than a group of private banks which charge interest on money that never existed.
The government prints a billion dollars' worth of interest-bearing U.S. Government bonds and takes them to the Federal Reserve; the Federal Reserve accepts them and places $1 billion in a checking account and the government writes checks to the total of $1 billion.
Where was that $1 billion before they touched the computer to make the entry? It didn't exist. We allow this private banking system to create money out of absolutely nothing (all of it a loan to our government) and charge interest on it forever. The bank collects interest on the government's own money. This summary of a highly complex system is oversimplified but accurate.
A communique sent from the Rothschild investment house in England to its associate in New York remarked:
"The few who understand the system...will either be so interested in its profits or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending...will bear its burdens without complaint."13
The Results
The principal shareholders of the Federal Reserve include: Rothschild Banks of England and Berlin; Warburg Banks of Hamburg and Amsterdam; Laz ard Brothers Banks of Paris; Israel Moses Seiff Banks of Italy; Chase Manhattan Bank of New York; Lehman Brothers of New York; Kuhn, Loeb of New York; and Goldman, Sachs of New York. This profitable charade has been going on for 81 years!
The power transfer created by the Federal Reserve System was further extended with the Monetary Control Act of 1980 which gave the Federal Reserve System control over all depository institutions, whether or not the banks were members of the system.
This act also, among other things, gave the Federal Reserve the power to use the debt of foreign nations as collateral for the printing of Federal Reserve notes. This now permits saddling the American tax payers with foreign debts!
:shrug:
Few Americans know of the betrayal that was plotted on Jekyll Island, Georgia, which was destined to defraud Americans of their wealth and opportunity, and would eventually lead to the subjugation of our great democratic experiment to a centralized global dictatorship.2
The Betrayal
In November of 1910, after having consulted with Rothschild banks in England, France, and Germany, Senator Nelson Aldrich3 boarded a private train in Hoboken, New Jersey. His destination was Jekyll Island, Georgia, and a private hunting club owned by J.P. Morgan.4
Aboard the train were six other men: Benjamin Strong, President of Morgan's Bankers Trust Company; Charles Norton, President of Morgan's First National Bank of New York; Henry Davidson, senior partner of J. P. Morgan; Frank Vanderlip, President of Kuhn Loeb's National City Bank of New York; A. Piatt Andrew, Assistant Secretary of Treasury; and Paul Warburg.5 The secret meeting, as described by one its architects, Frank Vanderlip, went as follows:
"There was an occasion near the close of 1910 when I was as secretive, indeed as furtive, as any conspirator. I do not feel it is any exaggeration to speak of our secret expedition to Jekyll Island as the occasion of the actual conception of what eventually became the Federal Reserve System.
"We were told to leave our last names behind us. We were told further that we should avoid dining together on the night of our departure. We were instructed to come one at a time... where Senator Aldrich's private car would be in readiness, attached to the rear end of the train for the South.
"Once aboard the private car, we began to observe the taboo that had been fixed on last names. Discovery, we knew, simply must not happen, or else all our time and effort would be wasted..."6
The goal was to establish a private bank that would control the national currency. The challenge was to slip the scheme by the representatives of the American people. Earlier, it had been called the Aldrich Bill and received effective opposition.
The devious planners of the revised bill titled it "The Federal Reserve Act" to mask its real nature. It would create a system controlled by private individuals who would control the nation's issue of money. Furthermore, the Federal Reserve Board, composed of twelve districts and one director (The Federal Reserve Chairman) would control the nation's financial resources by controlling the money supply and available credit, all by mortgaging the government through borrowing.
Divide and Conquer
The conspirators had a problem, however. President William Howard Taft had made it clear he would veto such a bill if it was introduced. They had to make sure he would not win reelection.
They first supported ex-President Teddy Roosevelt in the Republican primaries, but he failed to get the nomination. Then the bankers supported the Democratic contender, Woodrow Wilson.
In exchange for their support, Wilson promised to sign their bill into law. But the polls indicated that Wilson would only draw about 45% of the votes. The bankers needed someone who could draw a sufficient number of Republican votes away from Taft without harming their Democratic candidate. They arranged for Teddy Roosevelt to run against both men by representing a newly invented third party: the "Bull Moose" party. (Doesn't this sound familiar? Using a Ross Perot to defeat George Bush and get Bill Clinton elected? Dividing the votes of the potential winner to elect a minority candidate is a tactic used more frequently than we realize.)
The plan worked. The Federal Reserve Bill was held until December 23 (two days before Christmas!) before it was presented to the House and Senate. Only those senators and congressmen who had not gone home for the holidays--those who owed favors to, or were on the payroll of, the bankers--were present to sign the legislation. (Involved behind the scenes in the elections of Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt was "Colonel" Edward Mandell House, son of the Civil War Rothschild agent Thomas W. House.7 "Col" Edward House represented the interests of the Rothschild banks, and was originally a member of the Institute of International Affairs, formed in Paris at the Majestic Hotel in a secret meeting on May 30, 1919. Its American branch, formed on July 29, 1921, became the Council on Foreign Relations.)
The Charade Begins
The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was a deliberate charade to pacify the American voters. They'd been crying out for banking reform and had held scores of elections, alternating one set of politicians with another, only to find them selves with the same programs and deeper debt.
Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr.8 had complained at the time:
"It is a common practice of congressmen to make the title of acts promise aright, but in the body or text of the acts to rob the people of what is promised in the title."9
He pointed out that the government officeholders understood:
"...that by joining with the [banking] interests to exploit the people, their reelection is more certain than if they serve people who elect them. By joining the exploiters their campaign expenses are paid, the support of the 'machines' and the capital press is assured, and if by chance they should lose they are appointed to the same office that should suit them equally or better."10
The same phenomenon is visible today. The same cast of characters emerge in key positions whether the nation votes Democrat or Republican. Both sides appear to have sold out. (This tradition of betrayal has continued with the "North American Free Trade Agreement," and the GATT "Agreement," both of which were called "agreements" to avoid having to pass the 2/3 majority of the Senate. However, the White House Internet files labeled them "treaties" as soon as they were passed.) Even Woodrow Wilson felt he had made a terrible mistake in signing the bill. He later wrote:
"Some of the biggest men in the United States in the field of commerce and manufacture are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it..."11
The name "Federal Reserve Bank" was designed to deceive, and it still does. It is not federal, nor is it owned by the government. It is privately owned. It pays its own postage like any other corporation. Its employees are not civil service. Its physical property is held under private deeds and is subject to local taxation (government property is not).
It is an engine that has created private wealth that is unimaginable, even to the most financially sophisticated. It has enabled an imperial elite to manipulate our economy for its own agenda and enlisted the government itself as its enforcer. It "controls the times, dictates business, affects our homes and practically everything in which we are interested."12
How Does It Work?
The Federal Reserve System is nothing more than a group of private banks which charge interest on money that never existed.
The government prints a billion dollars' worth of interest-bearing U.S. Government bonds and takes them to the Federal Reserve; the Federal Reserve accepts them and places $1 billion in a checking account and the government writes checks to the total of $1 billion.
Where was that $1 billion before they touched the computer to make the entry? It didn't exist. We allow this private banking system to create money out of absolutely nothing (all of it a loan to our government) and charge interest on it forever. The bank collects interest on the government's own money. This summary of a highly complex system is oversimplified but accurate.
A communique sent from the Rothschild investment house in England to its associate in New York remarked:
"The few who understand the system...will either be so interested in its profits or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending...will bear its burdens without complaint."13
The Results
The principal shareholders of the Federal Reserve include: Rothschild Banks of England and Berlin; Warburg Banks of Hamburg and Amsterdam; Laz ard Brothers Banks of Paris; Israel Moses Seiff Banks of Italy; Chase Manhattan Bank of New York; Lehman Brothers of New York; Kuhn, Loeb of New York; and Goldman, Sachs of New York. This profitable charade has been going on for 81 years!
The power transfer created by the Federal Reserve System was further extended with the Monetary Control Act of 1980 which gave the Federal Reserve System control over all depository institutions, whether or not the banks were members of the system.
This act also, among other things, gave the Federal Reserve the power to use the debt of foreign nations as collateral for the printing of Federal Reserve notes. This now permits saddling the American tax payers with foreign debts!
:shrug:
The unseen ruling class enjoy an imperial wealth--the Rothschilds have over 76 palaces around the world--and they know what they want and how to obtain it. One of their ultimate luxuries is privacy. Great wealth can bring great privacy. Finance has always manipulated business, and it generally strangles all enterprise that attempts to compete with it. The private international bankers achieve their desires through legislation.
"The Federal Reserve Act gives a power to the Federal Reserve Banks that makes the government impotent to protect the interests of the people."14
Informed Outcries
On Tuesday, December 15, 1931, Louis T. McFadden, chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee, proclaimed:
"The Federal Reserve Board and banks are the duly appointed agents of the foreign central banks of issue and they are more concerned with their foreign customer than they are with the people of the United States. The only thing that is American about the Federal Reserve Board and banks is the money they use..."15
On Friday, June 10, 1932, McFadden again pleaded his case with his fellow colleagues:
"Mr. Chairman, we have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks...
"Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders. In that dark crew of financial pirates there are those who would cut a man's throat to get a dollar out of his pocket; there are those who send money into the States to buy votes to control our legislation; and there are those who maintain an international propaganda for the purpose of deceiving us and wheedling us into granting of new concessions which will permit them to cover up their past misdeeds and set again in motion their gigantic train of crime."16
The twelve regional Federal Reserve banks are also members of this private cartel. Before the Senate Banking and Currency Committee, while the Federal Reserve Bill was under discussion, attorney Alfred Crozier from Ohio observed:
"...the imperial power of elasticity of the public currency is wielded exclusively by these central corporations owned by the banks. This is a life and death power over all local banks and all business. It can be used to create or destroy prosperity, to ward off or cause stringencies and panics. By making money artificially scarce, interest rates throughout the country can be arbitrarily raised and the bank tax on all business and cost of living increased for the profit of the banks owning these regional central banks, and without the slightest benefit to the people. These twelve corporations together cover the whole country and monopolize and use for private gain every dollar of the public currency and all public revenues of the United States. Not a dollar can be put into circulation among the people by their government without the consent of (and on terms fixed by) these twelve private money trusts."17
Thomas Jefferson said:
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a money aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. That issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the government to whom it properly belongs."
The Kennedy Plan
President John F. Kennedy planned to exterminate the Federal Reserve System and ultimately eliminate the national debt, as had Andrew Jackson and Abraham Lincoln before him when they did the same to the two Rothschild-organized central banks. In 1963, by presidential order of John F. Kennedy (EO 11 and EO 110), the United States Treasury began printing over $4 billion worth of "United States Notes" to replace Federal Reserve Notes. When a sufficient supply of these notes entered circulation, the Federal Reserve Notes--and the System--could be declared obsolete. This would end the control of the international bankers over the U.S. government and the American people.
Some of these bills can still be found. They can be recognized by their distinctive red seal on the front of the bill instead of the green seal of Federal Reserve Notes. Above the portrait appears the words "United States Note." Printed were $2 and $5 notes,18 series 1963, and C. Douglas Dillon's signature appears as Secretary of Treasury. The reverse side of these bills is identical to the Federal Reserve Notes.
After putting this plan into effect, John F. Kennedy was professionally assassinated in Dealey Plaza. The subsequent coverup was so skillful that even to this day few Americans realize the coup d'etat that was engineered to save the System. (Otto von Habsburg's remarks still echo in my ears: "The concentration of power in America is frightening.")
Meyer Amschel Rothschild's original plan of two centuries ago for "a new order of a one world government" appears to be succeeding. No wonder the Great Seal of the United States, on the back side of the one dollar bill, bears the inscription Novus Ordo Seclorum: New World Order.19
Stay tuned and learn your Bible, or you'll have no idea what's going on.
"The Federal Reserve Act gives a power to the Federal Reserve Banks that makes the government impotent to protect the interests of the people."14
Informed Outcries
On Tuesday, December 15, 1931, Louis T. McFadden, chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee, proclaimed:
"The Federal Reserve Board and banks are the duly appointed agents of the foreign central banks of issue and they are more concerned with their foreign customer than they are with the people of the United States. The only thing that is American about the Federal Reserve Board and banks is the money they use..."15
On Friday, June 10, 1932, McFadden again pleaded his case with his fellow colleagues:
"Mr. Chairman, we have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks...
"Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders. In that dark crew of financial pirates there are those who would cut a man's throat to get a dollar out of his pocket; there are those who send money into the States to buy votes to control our legislation; and there are those who maintain an international propaganda for the purpose of deceiving us and wheedling us into granting of new concessions which will permit them to cover up their past misdeeds and set again in motion their gigantic train of crime."16
The twelve regional Federal Reserve banks are also members of this private cartel. Before the Senate Banking and Currency Committee, while the Federal Reserve Bill was under discussion, attorney Alfred Crozier from Ohio observed:
"...the imperial power of elasticity of the public currency is wielded exclusively by these central corporations owned by the banks. This is a life and death power over all local banks and all business. It can be used to create or destroy prosperity, to ward off or cause stringencies and panics. By making money artificially scarce, interest rates throughout the country can be arbitrarily raised and the bank tax on all business and cost of living increased for the profit of the banks owning these regional central banks, and without the slightest benefit to the people. These twelve corporations together cover the whole country and monopolize and use for private gain every dollar of the public currency and all public revenues of the United States. Not a dollar can be put into circulation among the people by their government without the consent of (and on terms fixed by) these twelve private money trusts."17
Thomas Jefferson said:
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a money aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. That issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the government to whom it properly belongs."
The Kennedy Plan
President John F. Kennedy planned to exterminate the Federal Reserve System and ultimately eliminate the national debt, as had Andrew Jackson and Abraham Lincoln before him when they did the same to the two Rothschild-organized central banks. In 1963, by presidential order of John F. Kennedy (EO 11 and EO 110), the United States Treasury began printing over $4 billion worth of "United States Notes" to replace Federal Reserve Notes. When a sufficient supply of these notes entered circulation, the Federal Reserve Notes--and the System--could be declared obsolete. This would end the control of the international bankers over the U.S. government and the American people.
Some of these bills can still be found. They can be recognized by their distinctive red seal on the front of the bill instead of the green seal of Federal Reserve Notes. Above the portrait appears the words "United States Note." Printed were $2 and $5 notes,18 series 1963, and C. Douglas Dillon's signature appears as Secretary of Treasury. The reverse side of these bills is identical to the Federal Reserve Notes.
After putting this plan into effect, John F. Kennedy was professionally assassinated in Dealey Plaza. The subsequent coverup was so skillful that even to this day few Americans realize the coup d'etat that was engineered to save the System. (Otto von Habsburg's remarks still echo in my ears: "The concentration of power in America is frightening.")
Meyer Amschel Rothschild's original plan of two centuries ago for "a new order of a one world government" appears to be succeeding. No wonder the Great Seal of the United States, on the back side of the one dollar bill, bears the inscription Novus Ordo Seclorum: New World Order.19
Stay tuned and learn your Bible, or you'll have no idea what's going on.
I've got the King James version in my house. I've looked over the whole thing and can't find anything on the federal reserve bank. Please help.
He Hate Me ,how do you think GW was elected. And due you think Greenspan will raise rates thie year. If he does it will be no more then 1/2 point. After the election they will go up alittle more.
Be very careful of the religious right. They do believe they have found Jesus in the only way that will save them. The other's Jews Lutheran, Catholic, and many others have it wrong. Either find Jesus the right way or be doomed. These folks are all friends of GW because he said he found Jesus in the right way. Of course Iraq had a nuke to but seems that was wrong.
There was a story about this cult on either 20/20, 60 minutes or dateline. Reason I heard about it to ladies at the store this morning were discussing it. They thought these folks had alot of guts telling us were all wrong.
Dam what we don't need is more religious believes to cause more trouble in the world.
Be very careful of the religious right. They do believe they have found Jesus in the only way that will save them. The other's Jews Lutheran, Catholic, and many others have it wrong. Either find Jesus the right way or be doomed. These folks are all friends of GW because he said he found Jesus in the right way. Of course Iraq had a nuke to but seems that was wrong.
There was a story about this cult on either 20/20, 60 minutes or dateline. Reason I heard about it to ladies at the store this morning were discussing it. They thought these folks had alot of guts telling us were all wrong.
Dam what we don't need is more religious believes to cause more trouble in the world.
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Here's an idea...
Here's an idea...
Why not weight votes based on what each individual contributes to the economy each year (i.e. income)....
It can be argued that those who make (and presumably spend) more each year have a more vested interest in the economy than those who do not earn an income.... additional incentive to work hard and earn more, as you'd have more voting power.... People who are living off the government - why should their vote be equal to someone who is spending $1 million a year to keep our economy strong... just a (radical?) idea...
Another thought - replace all income taxes with consumption (sales) taxes... it would help encourage people to make more money - but not tax it away, as the only thing taxed would be spending it (maybe exempt food and clothing - necessities). It also could/would encourage saving and investment by individuals, as this would not be taxed..... it would sure take the pressure off Social Security if more people saved for retirement... Business owners wouldn't like it tho...
Here's an idea...
Why not weight votes based on what each individual contributes to the economy each year (i.e. income)....
It can be argued that those who make (and presumably spend) more each year have a more vested interest in the economy than those who do not earn an income.... additional incentive to work hard and earn more, as you'd have more voting power.... People who are living off the government - why should their vote be equal to someone who is spending $1 million a year to keep our economy strong... just a (radical?) idea...
Another thought - replace all income taxes with consumption (sales) taxes... it would help encourage people to make more money - but not tax it away, as the only thing taxed would be spending it (maybe exempt food and clothing - necessities). It also could/would encourage saving and investment by individuals, as this would not be taxed..... it would sure take the pressure off Social Security if more people saved for retirement... Business owners wouldn't like it tho...
