I also grabbed Cauthen @+475, the over for this fight, the Licina fight to end in a ko and Mtagwa....
Jones vs. Calzaghe
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That could have been a draw, the commentator had it even after 12 rounds... :-(
Haskins won a decision BTW.
yay! thanks for the update zerwas. sounds like we were all on haskins.
so far ive watched both of jones' open workouts and the resutls are... inconclusive. He looks exactly as you'd expect him to fight: shy in pulling the trigger, slightly slower reflexes, but absolutely brilliant in spots. It took him longer than I had hoped to recognize the pad holder's routine, there was a split second of hesitation between the pad going up and Jones' response to it. I know that's to be expected, but they've done that routine so long, it really looked like Jones had to reset and prepare fo the punch, rather than him legitimately not knowing which punch was coming next. But when he threw combos, WOW, they were fast as hell, and he threw at all angles and even while moving his feet.
The other vid was of him shadownboxing, again, you can't gauge anything. He still picks his spots, throws brilliant combos here and there. The main question is his stamina, which isn't addressed.
I was hoping to see a skipping routine or a high-rate punching bag routine
oh and ps to anyone whose never used a speed bag: its not that hard. I picked it up in a few workouts, and im a big clumsy ball of cheeseburgers and tacos. i never understand why they highlight in during open workouts and promo shows, it doesn't tell you anything at all.
so far ive watched both of jones' open workouts and the resutls are... inconclusive. He looks exactly as you'd expect him to fight: shy in pulling the trigger, slightly slower reflexes, but absolutely brilliant in spots. It took him longer than I had hoped to recognize the pad holder's routine, there was a split second of hesitation between the pad going up and Jones' response to it. I know that's to be expected, but they've done that routine so long, it really looked like Jones had to reset and prepare fo the punch, rather than him legitimately not knowing which punch was coming next. But when he threw combos, WOW, they were fast as hell, and he threw at all angles and even while moving his feet.
The other vid was of him shadownboxing, again, you can't gauge anything. He still picks his spots, throws brilliant combos here and there. The main question is his stamina, which isn't addressed.
I was hoping to see a skipping routine or a high-rate punching bag routine
oh and ps to anyone whose never used a speed bag: its not that hard. I picked it up in a few workouts, and im a big clumsy ball of cheeseburgers and tacos. i never understand why they highlight in during open workouts and promo shows, it doesn't tell you anything at all.
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Joe looked incredible in his open workout. Speed, accuracy, stamina, reflexes, everything. Power looked good, but it was exaggerated by Enzo's slapping the pads onto Joe's punches, which makes it sound and look more powerful.
I can't bet on Joe b/c I think there's too many unknowns right now about Roy. Any fights involving Hopkins, Jones or Toney, you just don't know what you're going to get. I never bet against either of them.
If these vids are any indication, Joe would win nearly ever round, with Roy shining in spurts to steal 2 or 3. Roy must have a brilliant strategy going in or he's toast.
I highly recommend Roy backers check out these vids from fighthype:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=fighthype&view=videos
The first three listed are the ones you want to see. Roy does everything less impressively than Joe in the workouts.
Im still very small on Roy, but if someone were to max their account on Joe, I wouldn't try to convince them otherwise. .
I can't bet on Joe b/c I think there's too many unknowns right now about Roy. Any fights involving Hopkins, Jones or Toney, you just don't know what you're going to get. I never bet against either of them.
If these vids are any indication, Joe would win nearly ever round, with Roy shining in spurts to steal 2 or 3. Roy must have a brilliant strategy going in or he's toast.
I highly recommend Roy backers check out these vids from fighthype:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=fighthype&view=videos
The first three listed are the ones you want to see. Roy does everything less impressively than Joe in the workouts.
Im still very small on Roy, but if someone were to max their account on Joe, I wouldn't try to convince them otherwise. .
he`s got fast hands for a white boy....even with those pilows on...
i like our chances here...
what's with the gay underwear
why would any fashion designer overlay the muscular word, "diesel" over turquoise?
RJ look like he have no legs left
why would any fashion designer overlay the muscular word, "diesel" over turquoise?
RJ look like he have no legs left
crow, you're saying their appearance at the weigh-in is more reflective of their potential than public workouts held just days before the fight?
- Jun 3, 2008
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Definitevely.
Remember the weigh in for the first Tarver fight; Jones looked cadaveric.
Look at yesterday's weigh in with Austin coming in shape.
Look at Abrahams weigh in pics one month ago.
Look at Forrest's pictures for the first fight, and compare it for the second fight.
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Pictures don't lie.
If you look in shape at the weigh in, you're in shape.
By the way, Jones might be back on the juice for this one.
Weepaul, things are looking good for ya.
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Fighters were mixed with their predictions. Many of them seem biased, but the ones that didn't said what we've been saying all along: Joe throws more, Jones lands the better punches. Much like Hop vs Joe... but who do the judges give it to?
http://fighthype.com/pages/content3739.html?PHPSESSID=1bdf8c48bc754c160e77ee89ec925a92
I want to hear Nate Campbell's pick1
http://fighthype.com/pages/content3739.html?PHPSESSID=1bdf8c48bc754c160e77ee89ec925a92
I want to hear Nate Campbell's pick1
Out of the list, the opinions I think hold the most crediblity are Wright, Forrest and Mosley. Bernard and Roy seem to be on friendly terms, despite their media comments. It's in Bernard's best interest for Jones to win this fight and set up a mega rematch, hopefully he's shares some strategic pointers with Roy.
If Jones watches the tape of Zag-Hop, he can emulate the strategy. Throw in his increased power, and the possibility of better stamina, and he can win 7 out of 12.
If Jones watches the tape of Zag-Hop, he can emulate the strategy. Throw in his increased power, and the possibility of better stamina, and he can win 7 out of 12.
I know there have been groans over Dwyer's pick of Jones, but if you read all the youtube comments, he does a damn good job of defending it.
- Jun 23, 2008
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After viewing the weigh-in and taking all things into account, my two cents:
I know there is a strong divergence of opinion around here.
I've never been the biggest fan of Calz, and RJJ is one of my all time favorites. That being said, I think Joe is going to take this fight.
Calz is 36 going on 40, RJJ is 39 going on 80.
His last 3 fights (Ajamu, Hanshaw, Trinidad) he was totally gun shy and unwilling to fully engage. I even thought Ajamu stunned him the first round. The Trinidad fight was really embarrassing to watch, as Tito hadn't fought in 3 years and had never fought even close to 170. I think there's a lot of guys who could have beaten Tito that night.
Just my opinion, but Roy seems way past it. Calz on the other hand, is still near the top of his game.
I have mad respect for Kessler and Hopkins, and I don't think Calz gets enough credit for beating these 2. We all know about Hops, but Kessler is damn good ! Calz adjusted very well in the second half of both of these fights.
The most likely outcome, I believe, is a wide decision for Joe. But it would not surprise me if RJJ has NOTHING. A late K.O. could occur. Calz doesn't hit hard, but he hits a lot.
One thing that would SHOCK me completely is RJJ getting a K.O. His last knockout was Clinton Woods in 2002. He is no longer willing to take the risks necessary for this outcome.
I'm playing Calz straight LARGE and Calz by KO SMALL.
I was absolutely stunned by the Hopkins result 3 weeks ago. If RJJ pulls this off, it would trump that upset times 50. I just can't see it happening.
My only concern Saturday...going against weepaul and night janitor! It bit me in the ass with Sturm.
I'm also curious to see how Zab looks. Because, honestly, Zab sucks.
Cheers fellas. Good luck tomorrow.
I know there is a strong divergence of opinion around here.
I've never been the biggest fan of Calz, and RJJ is one of my all time favorites. That being said, I think Joe is going to take this fight.
Calz is 36 going on 40, RJJ is 39 going on 80.
His last 3 fights (Ajamu, Hanshaw, Trinidad) he was totally gun shy and unwilling to fully engage. I even thought Ajamu stunned him the first round. The Trinidad fight was really embarrassing to watch, as Tito hadn't fought in 3 years and had never fought even close to 170. I think there's a lot of guys who could have beaten Tito that night.
Just my opinion, but Roy seems way past it. Calz on the other hand, is still near the top of his game.
I have mad respect for Kessler and Hopkins, and I don't think Calz gets enough credit for beating these 2. We all know about Hops, but Kessler is damn good ! Calz adjusted very well in the second half of both of these fights.
The most likely outcome, I believe, is a wide decision for Joe. But it would not surprise me if RJJ has NOTHING. A late K.O. could occur. Calz doesn't hit hard, but he hits a lot.
One thing that would SHOCK me completely is RJJ getting a K.O. His last knockout was Clinton Woods in 2002. He is no longer willing to take the risks necessary for this outcome.
I'm playing Calz straight LARGE and Calz by KO SMALL.
I was absolutely stunned by the Hopkins result 3 weeks ago. If RJJ pulls this off, it would trump that upset times 50. I just can't see it happening.
My only concern Saturday...going against weepaul and night janitor! It bit me in the ass with Sturm.
I'm also curious to see how Zab looks. Because, honestly, Zab sucks.
Cheers fellas. Good luck tomorrow.
VERY well said. I have 1k on Zags but considering a very sizable wager on him. I just watched Hop/Zags and Zags simply doesn't get his due. Jones may very well have nothing left and if he does have something left in the tank I still don't think it will be enough. Zags has more than earned my respect in the last few yrs. I pegged Lacy and Kessler to both beat him and Joe fought 2 career best fights. Like you I was shocked at how Hop beat up Pav but I will be more shocked to see RJ turn back the clock. Zags by dec or late stoppage in his final go. Good luck everybody!
Agreed, Calzaghe really should win this fight, I already have some money on him, but I'm kind of tentative to add more...Roy Jones is still Roy Jones, even though he is a badly faded version...
this pretty much sums up my opinion on the fight...5/6 years ago,i probably go the other way(big time)..
the reflexes are diminished...and i`ve noticed that the legs seem to be semi-gone....glen johnson just basically walked him down..
and the chin issue....if i were joe,i`d concetrate on setting down on my punches a bit more...i`ve seen glen johnson beat guys down...wear them out..
but he just froze jones.....rigor mortis stiff...
maybe we`re wrong ghost/zerwas/box/romi......i do expect jones to be difficult early..but,it seems to me everytime joe gets tested,joe passes..
if we`re wrong, i promise to genuflect profusely in the direction of the appropriate cappers...
let the games begin....
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I watched Jones vs. Trinidad and Hops vs. Calzaghe last night for a refresher. Trinidad was able to reach Jones a lot and won 4 rounds on the cards. If he wasn't dropped twice he may have gotten a win or a draw. And I noticed Jones doesn't seem to know how to hold. He just puts his gloves up in awkward manner and patiently waits his turn - but he's so hittable now as compared to the old days. And Hopkins is a master holder and innitiated countless clinches with Calzaghe. Jones could find himself under a fusillade of Calzaghe shots that will make him very uncomfortable. Check out the compubox site for a punch analsis. Trinida landed almost as much and it said Anthony Hanshaw, who is not special, outlanded Jones by 100 shots. A Calzaghe stoppage is a real possibility.
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it`s posts like this that make me proud to be one of the group....not because i lean calzaghe...but because of the point about bhop,and the holding and nuanced crap older savvy fighters do to adjust and extend a career...
the fact that jones` reflexes were "otherworldly",and maybe he never needed to do all that other stuff that guys like bhop and winky do and maybe never adjusted like they have....
even ali made that adjustment...
great post..
great stuff,kramden..
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