Juries Gone Wild

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The logical answer is arbitration boards made up of doctors and attorneys who are paid salary NOT a percentage---legal cost go down--those getting compensated get 100% not 1/2 or less--everybody wins--with exception of Edward.

On Dr's code of silence I would agree- only code of silence greater might be bar association--do search for attorneys that sue other attorneys for malpractice and let me know if you find one.
 

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Alright Eddie and Sponge,

Since you pulled "quack" and "arrogant" out of your pieholes, I do have a problem with your spin on the facts from your Michigan Law Review article.

#1.....your 80-90% win rate quote is B.S. Even your article can only estimate that worst OVERALL plaintiff win rate is 25% and they guess a number around 30% for ALL cases.

#2.....counting ALL cases includes what are generally referred to as frivolous, or weak cases against defendants. We can all agree that the defendant should win a weak case against him, assuming he is using a lawyer and not his cousin to defend him. Your article cannot get good data on the ratio of weak/good cases, and the articles it reviewed ranged from ratios of 1.9-1 all the way up to 9-1!! And this is in a state w/ a 500K cap, which you would think reduces weak claims.

#3.....the defendant win rate, or plaintiff loss rate does not include the settled cases in this review. Obvious negligence in a malpractice case never goes to trial. Its just good business to settle a loser at a discount.

#4.....the general thrust of your article seems to focus on the perception that juries cannot be trusted, not how MDs flout the system. What the hell can be the problem with the decisions made by a trial in front of the citizens??? Its not like its a bunch of MDs, lawyers, and judges are handing down verdicts right now.

#5..........Of course you have to go out of your immediate region to gather MD expert witnesses for the plaintiffs case. This is how it is everywhere. That defendant gets to sit through the experts testimony in discovery if they want, and anyone who plays poker knows its a lot more difficult to sit in front of the person you're talking about and try to pick apart a marginal case, than it is to read a chart and write a letter about what went wrong without the benefit of context. I have never heard of a malpractice carrier dropping a physician for testifying as an expert for the plaintiff.

I review local cases for all our hospitals if asked. I don't certify them, or testify in other parts of the state. I know a little about the system in one of the worst states in the union for med-mal litigation.

I'm an umpire, not an adjudicator......just call 'em like I see 'em.

Before you start the schoolyard comments about me, check your own data, then check my thoughts about this topic and other health-care related discussions on this sight. I don't circle the wagons, I don't talk sh!t, and I don't call people out until they pull some tidbit out of the thin air and call it the story.

PS You have heard of me sponge, because we traded thoughts in another health-care related thread. Look it up.

Yours truly...........Doc (and proud to be one)
 
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Don't even want a friendly lil' rhubarb, boys??

Disappointing..

This is the Doc and Lawyer show. I said what i said and im finished. I know what i said is true and then you started with name calling like I fabricated the story.:shrug: Maybe it was just this one hospital which had the code of silence that i was talking about, but then again i went out with a nurse for four years and she said the same things about her hospital. There is nothing more i can add. Next thing i know a cop is gonna come on here and tell me they have no code of silence either.
 

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OK gentlemen.

No hard feelings.

I have a rock in my shoe, and its not you guys.

Personally think the system would be better if there were consistencies county to county, much less state to state. Having the feds take over would be a big mystery, but I can see it in the future if a "single-payer" or "universal health care" is on the horizon.

Instead of throwing stones :hitwithro it would be more useful to trade ideas. I like to hear peoples ideas about this topic from the outside. Life's too damn short for the name calling. I just get tired of the same old threads about Iraq, how utterly incompetent the executive, judicial, and legislative branches seem to be, or whether or not Paris Hilton did the appropriate amount of time.

I started the name calling, but I thought the numbers sucked and an unfair generalization about the competence, intentions, and accountability of physicians was made thereof.

My apologies. Glad to hear your thoughts on this subject.

I'll stick with making fun of iehillyeu or whatever that "say to the king" guy's name is.

Have a day............Robert
 
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