Justice Defends Ruling on Finance

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THE MAN NOT THE MYTH...Justice Clarence Thomas:00hour Did I mention we still hold a 5-4 advantage in the Supreme Court :00hour
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By ADAM LIPTAK
Published: February 3, 2010
WASHINGTON ? In expansive remarks at a law school in Florida, Justice Clarence Thomas on Tuesday vigorously defended the Supreme Court?s recent campaign finance decision.

And Justice Thomas explained that he did not attend State of the Union addresses ? he missed the dust-up when President Obama used the occasion last week to criticize the court?s decision ? because the gatherings had turned so partisan.

Justice Thomas responded to several questions from students at Stetson University College of Law in Gulfport, Fla., concerning the campaign finance case, Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. By a 5-to-4 vote, with Justice Thomas in the majority, the court ruled last month that corporations had a First Amendment right to spend money to support or oppose political candidates.

?I found it fascinating that the people who were editorializing against it were The New York Times Company and The Washington Post Company,? Justice Thomas said. ?These are corporations.?

The part of the McCain-Feingold law struck down in Citizens United contained an exemption for news reports, commentaries and editorials. But Justice Thomas said that reflected a legislative choice rather than a constitutional principle.

He added that the history of Congressional regulation of corporate involvement in politics had a dark side, pointing to the Tillman Act, which banned corporate contributions to federal candidates in 1907.

?Go back and read why Tillman introduced that legislation,? Justice Thomas said, referring to Senator Benjamin Tillman. ?Tillman was from South Carolina, and as I hear the story he was concerned that the corporations, Republican corporations, were favorable toward blacks and he felt that there was a need to regulate them.?

It is thus a mistake, the justice said, to applaud the regulation of corporate speech as ?some sort of beatific action.?

Justice Thomas said the First Amendment?s protections applied regardless of how people chose to assemble to participate in the political process.

?If 10 of you got together and decided to speak, just as a group, you?d say you have First Amendment rights to speak and the First Amendment right of association,? he said. ?If you all then formed a partnership to speak, you?d say we still have that First Amendment right to speak and of association.?

?But what if you put yourself in a corporate form?? Justice Thomas asked, suggesting that the answer must be the same.

Asked about his attitude toward the two decisions overruled in Citizens United, he said, ?If it?s wrong, the ultimate precedent is the Constitution.?

Justice Thomas would not directly address the controversy over Mr. Obama?s criticism of the Citizens United ruling or Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.?s mouthed ?not true? in response. But he did say he had stopped attending the addresses.

?I don?t go because it has become so partisan and it?s very uncomfortable for a judge to sit there,? he said, adding that ?there?s a lot that you don?t hear on TV ? the catcalls, the whooping and hollering and under-the-breath comments.?

?One of the consequences,? he added in an apparent reference to last week?s address, ?is now the court becomes part of the conversation, if you want to call it that, in the speeches. It?s just an example of why I don?t go.?
 

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So, do you agree with the ruling, and if so, why? You really have no problem with corporations being able to put in as much money as they care to towards influencing our legislators moving forward?

In other words, you don't care that money will become an even more important factor in who represents you, above personal values, opinions, and qualifications? You don't care that George Soros can throw $10 billion dollars at his pet issue, and buy people to represent it?
 

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So, do you agree with the ruling, and if so, why? You really have no problem with corporations being able to put in as much money as they care to towards influencing our legislators moving forward?

In other words, you don't care that money will become an even more important factor in who represents you, above personal values, opinions, and qualifications? You don't care that George Soros can throw $10 billion dollars at his pet issue, and buy people to represent it?

Hedgy doesn't think for himself. He is just a sheep that has been beat over the head to believe everything his 'team' tells him. Blinded to reality.
 

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So, do you agree with the ruling, and if so, why? You really have no problem with corporations being able to put in as much money as they care to towards influencing our legislators moving forward?

In other words, you don't care that money will become an even more important factor in who represents you, above personal values, opinions, and qualifications? You don't care that George Soros can throw $10 billion dollars at his pet issue, and buy people to represent it?

I want big business to represent me :shrug: I have 90% of my money in the stock market, mainly mutual funds, I want reps that are pro business and pro stock market.

Not, Obama types who are anti- business and anti-stock market, that want to take from me to distribute to the less fortunate/welfare recipients.
 

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I want big business to represent me :shrug: I have 90% of my money in the stock market, mainly mutual funds, I want reps that are pro business and pro stock market.

Not, Obama types who are anti- business and anti-stock market, that want to take from me to distribute to the less fortunate/welfare recipients.

Don't you understand by now that the game is rigged? You are going to piss whatever money you have away and it has nothing to do with Obama. You are going to be crying soon and to be honest with you, I can't wait.
 

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Ok, I can appreciate that way of thinking, as long as you support any business and their right to put money towards supporting any candidate or issue, no matter who they are, the candidate, or the issue.

In other words, you think it's a good thing for America if MSNBC kicks in $10 billion dollars to fund Obama's next Presidential campaign? Or Nancy Pelosi's? Or Harry Reid's? Or a corporation like 3M or Honeywell kicking in $30 million dollars to fund the candidacy of Michele Bachman's opponent in the next election cycle? Or, Heinz corporation spending billions funding only candidates across the country that favor Pro-Choice legislation? Or a company with a majority shareholder named Al Gore that funds only candidates that are pro global warming and Cap and Trade legislation?

And, furthermore, as a shareholder in many of these corporations through your investments, you're ok with them not having to disclose these funds prior to giving them out to candidates and themes that you personally don't agree with or find offensive?
 

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Ok, I can appreciate that way of thinking, as long as you support any business and their right to put money towards supporting any candidate or issue, no matter who they are, the candidate, or the issue.

In other words, you think it's a good thing for America if MSNBC kicks in $10 billion dollars to fund Obama's next Presidential campaign? Or Nancy Pelosi's? Or Harry Reid's? Or a corporation like 3M or Honeywell kicking in $30 million dollars to fund the candidacy of Michele Bachman's opponent in the next election cycle? Or, Heinz corporation spending billions funding only candidates across the country that favor Pro-Choice legislation? Or a company with a majority shareholder named Al Gore that funds only candidates that are pro global warming and Cap and Trade legislation?

And, furthermore, as a shareholder in many of these corporations through your investments, you're ok with them not having to disclose these funds prior to giving them out to candidates and themes that you personally don't agree with or find offensive?

I see your point...hummm...never thought about it that way, I certainly want the companies I have stock in to disclose money sent to candidates, especially if I don't like them for one reason or another. Do you really think corporations will throw money at politicians for political favors:eek:

they are all crooked, Repubs and Dems:sadwave:
 

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I dunno, I guess I just haven't seen a convincing argument, or article that can explain why this ruling is important or in our best interest as individuals. If anyone can find one, please post it. I'm sorry, I just don't see why a corporation needs to have the same rights as an individual - they just aren't individuals. THEY, can't do ANYTHING really, without the efforts OF the individuals that make them up - each of which have their own personal rights.

I see there are some constitutional amendments being proposed to go right after this ruling. Could be interesting to see how it plays out.
 
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