Kansas vs. North Carolina...

[Destructor D]

Just got home and almost choked when I saw Kansas -2 vs. UNC? I guess this means Marshall is out?

I can't believe after KU's recent play and with UNC wanting revenge from the 2008 Final 4 that KU is actually favored. Figured UNC would be -2 at the least. Guess the oddsmakers figure KU is due for a good game, but not sure I can see this happening after back-to-back dismal performances. Heck, KU hasn't played a really good game in almost a month. I do think Withey matches up well vs. Zeller and like Robinson vs. Henson. I guess KU does have the matchups to win, but showed me again they're choking tonight.

 

[THE_THONG]

:SIB

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i need revenge too

i just needed nc moneyline that 2008 year to finish off a huge payday in vegas

then kansas shoots like 100% percent in the first half :facepalm:

kentucky & nc $$$line parlay

 

[saint]

Did you see the Ohio game? Carolina is not a team whose players can create their own shot. That's why Harrison Barnes struggled. He is a catch and shoot guy for the most part. Ohio did well denying the ball inside to zeller and Henson, most of zellers points were from offensive rebounds, an advantage that won't be there with Kansas. Roy's offense is built off easy baskets in transition which we dont get with Stillman at point. When we have to work hard for points the results aren't good. Marshall is the wild card but with surgery 1 week ago I just can't see him going. The play is Kansas, of course I may be wrong but I think ku wins by close to double digits.

 

[Four Corners]

Did you see the Ohio game? Carolina is not a team whose players can create their own shot. That's why Harrison Barnes struggled. He is a catch and shoot guy for the most part. Ohio did well denying the ball inside to zeller and Henson, most of zellers points were from offensive rebounds, an advantage that won't be there with Kansas. Roy's offense is built off easy baskets in transition which we dont get with Stillman at point. When we have to work hard for points the results aren't good. Marshall is the wild card but with surgery 1 week ago I just can't see him going. The play is Kansas, of course I may be wrong but I think ku wins by close to double digits.

Unfortunately I totally agree. We are not the same team w/o Marshall. Roy said post game that he won't play. I think KU -2 is a play to the Jayhawks. I won't bet it as the game is too big to pull vs. my boys but I think we beat Miamii by 15 last night w/ Kendall...We looked lost at times.

 

[Skipper]

I think one of the most interesting things about the Elite 8, is the fact that Kansas vs Carolina, could be the least exciting of the four games. You say Kansas vs Carolina - Elite 8 - you think it is a can't miss. I could care less as both of these teams are just not the compelling teams we are used to.

Baylor-Kentucky is going to be a damn track meet, and very fun to watch.

Syracuse-OSU should be very interesting to see if Buford can finally show up for a big game, and if Cuse can somehow escape with another win.

Florida-L'Ville - you got Pitino vs Billy the Kid 25 years after Providence made the Final 4.

 

[TouchdownJesus]

I agree with everything said.

I know Marshall is irreplaceable but it is very frustrating to watch all this talent just look lost against a 13-seed team in Ohio.

I think we need to start doing what so many others have and shoot way more 3-pointers. I think Carolina needs to start realizing that college basketball is to the NBA what indoor soccer is to real soccer.

The line is so short, its time to get some guys who can hit that shot consistently and play to the rules of the game. Short 3-pointer and long shot clock helps to defeat everything we are trying to do. Its time to adjust and I say that time starts tomorrow against Kansas.

Give White more freedom and let Barnes and Bullock shoot a lot more 3's and hopefully if we make a few it will open things up down low. Seeing the way Kansas has played, I think we can match up defensively. Hopefully it will at least be close.

 

[saint]

I agree with everything said.

I know Marshall is irreplaceable but it is very frustrating to watch all this talent just look lost against a 13-seed team in Ohio.

I think we need to start doing what so many others have and shoot way more 3-pointers. I think Carolina needs to start realizing that college basketball is to the NBA what indoor soccer is to real soccer.

The line is so short, its time to get some guys who can hit that shot consistently and play to the rules of the game. Short 3-pointer and long shot clock helps to defeat everything we are trying to do. Its time to adjust and I say that time starts tomorrow against Kansas.

Give White more freedom and let Barnes and Bullock shoot a lot more 3's and hopefully if we make a few it will open things up down low. Seeing the way Kansas has played, I think we can match up defensively. Hopefully it will at least be close.

completely disagree but that's why neither one of us is the coach :sadwave: Bad 3s lead to long rebounds and fast breakouts for the opposition. We gave up some very easy baskets on missed 3s that should never have been taken. We need to work inside out, if they double down low the 3 needs to come from the kick out. I do think to beat Kansas we are going to have to shoot well from outside because they will sag down low on Zeller and Henson.

I'd say if this game is played 10 times with no marshall carolina wins 2-3 times max. It just goes to show you that even with talent up front if the point guard isn't delivering the ball from certain angles or situations it's much harder to score.

 

[Wise and Wiser]

UNC is now in the same position as Syracuse, playing without a game-changer. A lot of people are counting these two teams out of it. Be careful, the pressure is off now. They will take on a us versus the world mentality, and they are both still extremely talented. Good luck with your play!

 

[ppabart]

UNC is now in the same position as Syracuse, playing without a game-changer. A lot of people are counting these two teams out of it. Be careful, the pressure is off now. They will take on a us versus the world mentality, and they are both still extremely talented. Good luck with your play!

I think I get what you are saying but comparing Fab Melo's importance to Syracuse vs. Kendall Marshall's importance to UNC isn't even in the same ballpark, in my opinion.

Having said that, maybe I am in the minority, but I think UNC can win this game. They'll have to win it on the defensive end though. Luckily, KU isn't a team that lights it up from behind the 3 point line. This is going to be a very close game

 

[Wise and Wiser]

I think I get what you are saying but comparing Fab Melo's importance to Syracuse vs. Kendall Marshall's importance to UNC isn't even in the same ballpark, in my opinion.

Disagree! Fab was the Defensive Player of The Year in the conference. A shot blocker as a last line of defense in SU's zone might be more important than Marshall's leadership at point guard.

 

[TouchdownJesus]

ppabart....I do agree to playing inside-out, I guess what I mean is that over the years, even with Dean, we've never taken advantage of the short 3-pointer like other teams have.

I don't mean that we just start jacking 3's....which is basically what Duke did all year combined with crashing the boards and lack of consistent whistle on untalented plumlee's going over the back with regularity.

I would LOVE to see the college game have a 25-sec shot clock and 23'6 3-pt line (22' on the sides) and I think we would dominate most years playing real basketball.

The biggest thing I'm saying is that we rely way too much on the fast break......its obvious Roy's answer to "run" when its not working, is to "run faster".....and the inside game. All that is great, but you have to have 3-pt shooters to compete at the highest level. The rules dictate it.

Ohio has no business competing with Carolina the same way Wisconsin had no business competing with Syracuse. But that damn "3"....at 19'9 and even now at 20'9....its too short.

I remember playing a lot of pickup games back in the day.....we'd play 1's and 2's (ridiculous but whatever) but there were several pickup players that could hit that shot. So many offenses revolve around that 3-pointer and its like Carolina, so much talent, is still stuck in the early 80's when it comes to strategy.

I hate how close it is, but look at our first game vs Duke. We dominated them and they shot a medicore %age from "3" but they took so many of them that it didn't matter. Granted there were a couple shit calls down the stretch, but they hit something like 14-for-42 and beat us. That damn "3" has killed UNC talent for years. Until they move it back, I'm just saying, fight fire with fire.

All that said, Saint and ppabart....love you guys and hope our Heels prevail!!!

 

[TouchdownJesus]

Wise.......I'm surprised Syracuse has gotten this far without him. It completely changed how I filled out my brackets and I've got 3 of 4 Final 4 teams left. Would have definitely picked Syracuse but when Melo was out, I went with Florida State based on their "Tenacious D" and yes, they definitely "fucked me....gently" lol

As for my Final 4, I picked FSU along with Kentucky, Louisville, and Kansas...

 

[Hashish]

I think I get what you are saying but comparing Fab Melo's importance to Syracuse vs. Kendall Marshall's importance to UNC isn't even in the same ballpark, in my opinion.

Having said that, maybe I am in the minority, but I think UNC can win this game. They'll have to win it on the defensive end though. Luckily, KU isn't a team that lights it up from behind the 3 point line. This is going to be a very close game

I would think you've had ol' Roy around long enough now to realize his teams NEVER win games on the defensive end. Only way you have a chance is if the 3s are falling. Otherwise, that sieve you call a defense will be just the thing to finally tune the Kansas offense up just in time for the Final 4.

 

[Dr. Fade]

Both teams have not looked good at all this tourney and are fortunate they have had the paths theyve had, at minimum, both have certainly played much better ball the majority of the season. I'd be real surprised if the final is not KY vs OSU. That whitey pg for nc looked awful and based off that I would favor KU, but the UNDER is the play Imo.

 

[ppabart]

That whitey pg for nc looked awful and based off that I would favor KU, but the UNDER is the play Imo.

Yeah......6 assists and 0 turnovers sure does suck. Stilman White was not the issue