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From Wall St Journal

A Failure to Lead
The Democratic Congress is more interested in acting out than in taking positive action.

BY KARL ROVE
Friday, November 9, 2007 12:01 a.m. EST

This week is the one-year anniversary of Democrats winning Congress. But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid probably aren't in a celebrating mood. The goodwill they enjoyed after their victory is gone. Their bright campaign promises are unfulfilled. Democratic leadership is in disarray. And Congress's approval rating has fallen to its lowest point in history.

The problems the Democrats are now experiencing begin with the federal budget. Or rather, the lack of one. In 2006, Democrats criticized Congress for dragging its feet on the budget and pledged that they would do better. Instead, they did worse. The new fiscal year started Oct. 1--five weeks ago--but Democrats have yet to send the president a single annual appropriations bill. It's been at least 20 years since Congress has gone this late in passing any appropriation bills, an indication of the mess the Pelosi-Reid Congress is now in.

Even worse, the Democrats have made clear all their talk about "fiscal discipline" is just that--talk. They're proposing to spend $205 billion more than the president has proposed over the next five years. And the opening wedge of this binge is $22 billion more in spending proposed for the coming year. Only in Washington could someone in public life be so clueless to say, as Sen. Reid and Rep. Pelosi have, that $22 billion is a "relatively small" difference.

Let's also be clear about what it means to roll back the president's 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, as the Democrats want to do. Every income-tax payer will pay more as all tax rates rise. Families will pay $500 more per child as they lose the child tax credit. Taxes on small businesses would go up by an average of about $4,000. Retirees will pay higher taxes on investment retirement income. And now we have the $1 trillion tax increase proposed as "tax reform" by the Democrats' chief tax writer last month.





Failing to pass a budget, proposing a huge spike in federal spending and offering the biggest tax increase in history are not the only hallmarks of this Democratic Congress.
Beholden to MoveOn.org and other left-wing groups, Democratic leaders have ignored the progress made in Iraq by the surge, diminished the efforts of our military, and wasted precious time with failed attempts to force an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. They continue to try to implement this course, which would lead to chaos in the region, the creation of a possible terror state with the third largest oil reserves in the world, and a major propaganda victory for Osama bin Laden as well as for Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah.

After promising on the campaign trail to "support our troops," Democrats tried to cut off funding for our military while our soldiers and Marines are under fire from the enemy. For 19 Senate Democrats, this was simply a bridge too far, so they voted against their own leadership's proposal. Democrats also tried to stuff an emergency war-spending bill with billions of dollars of pork for individual members. Now the party's leaders are stalling an emergency supplemental bill with funding for body armor, bullets and mine-resistant vehicles.

After pledging a "Congress that strongly honors our responsibility to protect our people from terrorism," Democrats have refused to make permanent reforms of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that the Director of National Intelligence said were needed to close "critical gaps in our intelligence capability." Their presidential candidates fell all over each other in a recent debate to pledge an end to the Terrorist Surveillance Program. Then Senate Democratic leaders, thinking there was an opening for political advantage, slow-walked the confirmation of Judge Michael Mukasey to be the next attorney general. It's obvious that this is a man who knows the important role the Justice Department plays in the war on terror. Delaying his confirmation is only making it harder to prosecute the war.

Democrats promised "civility and bipartisanship." Instead, they stiff-armed their Republican colleagues, refused to include them in budget negotiations between the two houses, and have launched more than 400 investigations and made more than 675 requests for documents, interviews or testimony. They refused a bipartisan compromise on an expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program, instead wasting precious time sending the president a bill they knew he would veto. And they did this knowing that they wouldn't be able to override that veto. Why? Because their pollsters told them putting the children's health-care program at risk would score political points. Instead, it left them looking cynical.





The list of Congress's failures grows each month. No energy bill. No action on health care. No action on the mortgage crisis. No immigration reform. No progress on renewing No Child Left Behind. Precious little action on judges and not enough on reducing trade barriers. Congress has not done its work. And these failures will have consequences.
Democrats had a moment after the 2006 election, but now that moment has passed. They've squandered it. They have demonstrated both the inability and unwillingness to govern. Instead, after more than a decade in the congressional minority, they reflexively look for short-term partisan advantage and attempt to appease the party's most strident fringe. Now that Democrats have the reins of congressional power, their true colors are coming out and the public doesn't like what it sees.

The Democratic victory in 2006 was narrow. They won the House by 85,961 votes out of over 80 million cast and the Senate by a mere 3,562 out of over 62 million cast. A party that wins control by that narrow margin can quickly see its fortunes reversed when it fails to act responsibly, fails to fulfill its promises, and fails to lead.

Mr. Rove is a former adviser to President George W. Bush.
 

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The list of Congress's failures grows each month. No energy bill. No action on health care. No action on the mortgage crisis. No immigration reform. No progress on renewing No Child Left Behind. Precious little action on judges and not enough on reducing trade barriers. Congress has not done its work. And these failures will have consequences.
Democrats had a moment after the 2006 election, but now that moment has passed. They've squandered it. They have demonstrated both the inability and unwillingness to govern. Instead, after more than a decade in the congressional minority, they reflexively look for short-term partisan advantage and attempt to appease the party's most strident fringe. Now that Democrats have the reins of congressional power, their true colors are coming out and the public doesn't like what it sees.

The Democratic victory in 2006 was narrow. They won the House by 85,961 votes out of over 80 million cast and the Senate by a mere 3,562 out of over 62 million cast. A party that wins control by that narrow margin can quickly see its fortunes reversed when it fails to act responsibly, fails to fulfill its promises, and fails to lead.

Mr. Rove is a former adviser to President George W. Bush.

There is much to argue about this commentary. I should wait until I am more focused and less drunk than I am now to respond, with links and numbers and the like. But I feel fine in responding off the cuff to what I highlighted above from the former leader of our country, Karl Rove. I guess that since he's resigned from the administration, he feels he can now comment on current affairs, and not have to deal with legal or problematic issues he is responsible for.

I particularly bristle at his no action on an energy bill comment. Has anyone noticed what has resulted from the current administration's first act as a governing body with an energy plan? Have you noticed the record profits enjoyed for many quarters of reporting for the oil companies invited to PRIVATE meetings with the administration without ANY democrats involved? Have you noticed, at the same time, how much you are paying for gas? And Karl Rove has the gall to call out democrats for a lack of producing an energy bill? What do you think he would say if they actually produced a RESPONSIBLE energy bill? I think we all know that answer - no need of response from the conservative apologists. I know we are taking aggressive steps in Iraq (and maybe soon in Iran) to ease our oil reserve concerns, so, I guess that counts for something...

No action on health care: What would the conservatives have us do? We have seen some proposals, some new ideas, something that changes the status quo - and what is screamed about by Rove's bunch? The truth is, there are proposals, and attempts to change the system. It just doesn't match the ripping angle taken by the great privatizer. There could be action...but to what end?

No action on the mortgage crisis? What action is appropriate? If any was taken, it would be ripped by the people who were in power when the interest rates were suppressed to keep the economy "good" and allow people the extended opportunity to realize a dream they should not have been offered. What is Rove's plan to deal with the mortgage crisis? It was created by, and occured during his administrations. And he blames the dems for this? What a complete, sad, joke.

No immigration reform? Are you serious? Most conservatives are at odds with the Presidents ideas on immigration. What exactly did Rove's bunch accomplish or propose when in power? The President is probably closer to the dems in this area than any other, and he is crying for reform? Whatever...

No progress on No Child Left Behind? You mean the unfunded, unplanned, unreported program enacted by the current administration that has failed miserably, and has caused countless problems across the country for the past few years? A program that claims responsibility from a group that claims smaller intervention and government, that predetermines non-government entities to increase spending and oversight. The hypocrisy of this program alone is the biggest sad joke of the Bush administration. And somehow, it's a fault of the democrat majority for not rubber stamping such an incredibly failed program? Again...whatever...

Precious little action on judges? You mean, nobody again rubber stamped your dudes and dudettes? People may have asked some questions and expected the same things that every congress has expected since the beginnings of our government? How did that attorney general work out? He was the SECOND choice of Mr. Rove, right? The first one was a complete joke, as we all know. And Rove is talking about little action on approving judges by dems? Again...whatever...a big one there...

Reducing trade barriers? Hmmm...how is our current level of trade balance working out? How much have our deficits increased, trade-wise, over the past 6 plus years? Say no more, my friend. The dems are causing the problem in THIS area? Wow...that is some brass-nuttiness...fo sho.

We'll see what the Rove hopes have in store in the next election. I think people are on to his line of thinking...a good reason why he left the administration, methinks. Funny how he was so hidden for so long, before turning out this new manifesto. Karl...bring it on. If this is what you have...that is gonna be one unread book. We all know the story by now, and it simply is not true, nor interesting, anymore.

Thanks for sharing, Wayne. I see you have completely hitched your wagon to the disappearing dark side now.
 

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When Karl Rove talks about spending and taxation I want to puke. His is the second republican presidency in the last 3 (Reagan was the other) in which they simply spend billions on the nations defence and have no intentiion of paying for it. Therefore, we irresponsibly run up budget defiicits and this weasle has the balls to accuse the Dems of excessive taxation. Karl, how do you plan to pay for the $500B Iraq war when you are cutting my taxes. This guy is arrogant pile of crap and I hope he never darkens the doorway of the white house again.
 

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you guys talking about THE karl rove/aka:"that magnificent bastard";)



yeah,i agree....we should ignore defense as china ratchets it`s military up...while iran goes nuclear and this stupid administration allows itself to be cajoled by the dems and the media into pulling a jimmy carter/shah of iran blunder on fractious pakistan......

forget defense so we can spend a few mill on a 60`s rock and roll museum.....or universal healthcare(aka rationing).....

sounds like a plan...
 

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Garden,


Did I say "Forget Defense spending"?


No, I said pay for what you spend which this piece of crap and his president haven't done. They have run up a colossal budget deficit that will take years to pay for. Nice try on the Rock and Roll museum. Changing the subject on this topic doesn't absolve Bush and Rove on their credit card presidency. Slogans like cutting taxes are fine if you cut spending but he skyrocketed spending on defense and that has to paid for.
 

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LOL. Karl Rove. Yeah, good one DTB. One of the most unbalanced articles ever written. I see the Murdoch-owned Wall Street Journal hasn't lost any integrity. :rolleyes: This congress has gotten more done in under a year than the previous one did in 12. ...And they'd have accomplished even more with some cooperation. Keep up the spin though. It suits you and Karl well.
 

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Karl Rove-Not a nice human being in any way shape or form-How did he dodge a similar indictment like Scooter Libby?Amazing.
You expose and then confirm the identity of a covert CIA operative(who actually servces her country in a positive capacity unlike Karl) and you dont get fired,indicted , sensored, or so much as a hand slap and then with the ZERO credibility you have left- you pen an op-ed in the Murdoch owned Wall St Journal.
Is this a great country or what!

As Thangsgiving approaches I want to thank Karl.Karl has done more to help democrats get elected in the last 18 months than the Democrats have done for themselves-thats Karma baby. For that I couldnt be more thankful because the Democrats just arent underhanded and EVIL the way Ole Karl and his cronies are
 

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C'mon, DTB. That editorial was laughable.

1) Democrats are for progressive taxes, not regressive taxes. Dressing up top level income taxes as "taxes on small businesses" and capital gains taxes as "taxes on investment retirement income" is spin. I'm a proponent of the Bush tax cuts but Rove is being disingenuous here.

2) Democrats were elected on a mandate to retreat from Iraq. Everything Rove cites in this piece that Dems are trying to do is consistent with that. In fact, what he fails to mention that the huge disapproval numbers are largely because they have made no progress on a retreat from Iraq.

3) He brings up FISA, SCHIP and NCLB but the Dems' position has been clear and consistent on all of these matters. They have nothing to do with the high disapproval ratings among Democratic Party voters.

The one area where Rove is on target is his general point about the Dems doing too much talking and bashing without really making anything happen. From what I see it is that fact and the fact that they've none nothing substantive about retreating from Iraq that is driving down their approval ratings.
 

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I thought Fox gaves both sides as usual

1st Jabber's for you and Smurph--The Wall Street Journal is not Fox news--Its a finiancial publication for most part--I can understand you not being familiar with it :)

2nd Don't believe I said anything about which parts of his article i agree or disagree with.

I simply posted article because he is high profile person that rarily gives interviews--and thought it would bethought provoking & controversial--which apparently it was.
 

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I thought Fox gaves both sides as usual--fair and balanced---

Just quoting from another thread. My mistake. If those would have been my words, it would have been stated in proper english. As for your assumption that an insurance sales guy from bfe ky is the richest guy on this board is fvcking laughable.
 

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Don't believe I ever insinuated that--as matter of fact have mention more than once I live in modest home and have never bought new car--

With that being said I am not the one celebrating minimum wage increase--and wanting increases on taxes--if you get my drift.

Now on your laughable matter--
Unlike you cyber ghosts with no contact info in your profile--I do have my business in mine--why don't you do Ky search on corporations-then look up address of business and come visit--and report your findings to the rest of your "Anonymous Cowards" ;)

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Just quoting from another thread. My mistake. If those would have been my words, it would have been stated in proper english. As for your assumption that an insurance sales guy from bfe ky is the richest guy on this board is fvcking laughable.

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Fair enough Wayne. Sorry for the tone and comment. It gets my goat when you pigeon hole people and presume that anyone on the "left" is a broke, lazy, anti-caplitalists welfare state loving commie. Its just not the case. I have made good money in corporate America (and paid plenty in taxes all along the way) and I am now doing my best at a small business (and paying taxes out the ass at every turn). Btw, I have never purchased a new car either, not really into investing in an asset that plunges in value the second I buy it.
 

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that's because you are a cheap bastard. how do you expect our economy to churn when you are unwilling to spend into it?

You may have valid point there Smurph--but I like the word thrifty better :)
--but am thrifty mainly when it applies to myself and not so much with others.I think you would be hard pressed to find one valid cause on this forum that I failed contribute to.

P.S. good one on the "Scarey"

Jabbers--apoligize for being a little terse--was serious about stopping in if your ever down this way--I'll take you out for round of golf.
 
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