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Nick Douglas

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Lots of politically motivated posts from both myself and others. Mostly I see conservatives quoting "news" sources like the New York Post and liberals quoting from liberally biased media outlets. My point here is that you are doing yourself a favor when you read and watch the other side as well. You can be darned sure that successful, powerful people stay on top of not only what's happening on their side, but on the other side as well.

Most people are afraid to do this because it is less comfortable to read opposing views. That is fine, but you are only cheating yourself by not even attempting to understand the other side. Remember that there are no evil people, only misguided ones.
 

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I agree that I/we need to know different points of view which is one of the main reasons I frequent this discussion forum. I do think there are evil people in the world, however.

To get a really different point of view, check out the Al Jazeera site.
 

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Nick Douglas said:
Lots of politically motivated posts from both myself and others. Mostly I see conservatives quoting "news" sources like the New York Post and liberals quoting from liberally biased media outlets. My point here is that you are doing yourself a favor when you read and watch the other side as well. You can be darned sure that successful, powerful people stay on top of not only what's happening on their side, but on the other side as well.

Most people are afraid to do this because it is less comfortable to read opposing views. That is fine, but you are only cheating yourself by not even attempting to understand the other side. Remember that there are no evil people, only misguided ones.

That should go for you too Nick.....

kneifl
 

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al jazeera.....all you have to do is visit their website and you really appreciate what a diverse exchange of ideas we are able to enjoy in this country...

we are and will continue to be behind the eight ball as far as world opinion is concerned...we at least attempt to be fair....that cannot be said for many that oppose and hate the u.s...

also,try and remember that less than 25% of u.n. member nations are democracies or have democracy-like governments........many of whom are dictatorships,theocracies et al......that have divergent or contrary views and interests than those of the u.s... when someone tries to make the case that we need u.n. approval to do what we feel is in our best interests... .....
 

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Well sooner or later we have to find away to live with 200 other countries. Half that wish we would just go away. This we will beat you up if you don't like us. Well it just gets you more trouble and more haters and makes us less safer. However if it's about oil go and get it. Last one with the oil wins. But if we would get a true a true energy police going. In 20 years we could tell the oil folks to kiss our ass. But if we stay in bed with them. They may win in the end.
 
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DJV: Turn off your A/C,Heat,Washer,Dryer,Computer,TV,Oven,Microwave,Frig,lights,toaster,wifes 120v vibrator,etc ...

:rolleyes:
 

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typical liberal complaining...."why cant we get an energy policy to do something"

wah wah wah.....

"why cant we grow money trees?"
"why cant we all just get along?"
"why cant we solve all the world's problems?"
"why do we try to solve all the world's problems?"
"why do we try to solve that problem instead of that one?"
"why cant we all live in one big happy utopia?"

hey DJV get a job and do something with your life instead of withering away in bitterness
 

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Nick Douglas said:
Lots of politically motivated posts from both myself and others. Mostly I see conservatives quoting "news" sources like the New York Post and liberals quoting from liberally biased media outlets. My point here is that you are doing yourself a favor when you read and watch the other side as well. You can be darned sure that successful, powerful people stay on top of not only what's happening on their side, but on the other side as well.

Most people are afraid to do this because it is less comfortable to read opposing views. That is fine, but you are only cheating yourself by not even attempting to understand the other side. Remember that there are no evil people, only misguided ones.

Sweet Tap-Dancing Christ Nick, that last sentence says a lot. There are ppl in prison who cannot be rehabilitated, will never change and must never see the light of day- IMO. Just as the John Wayne Gacys, Henry Lee Lucas, etc. have only regards for themselves, not others. Its a noble thought you put forth, but to me its like blaming ourselves for the 9/11 attack. (By the way I'm sure the Stewardess whose throat was cut or the ppl jumping from the Burning Towers not to mention Nick Berg would have a different opinion.) To think otherwise is not realistic. We know how much the terrorists want to kill us.

While we blame ourselves, instead of the Terrorist Fanatics, and reach out or strive to understand their motives they don't seem to share the same attitudes or qualities. We abhor racial profiling and want to believe in harmony & peace among all ppl. They don't seem too interested in our way of life, whether or not they offend us and/or learning to adapt...

My son is 15 years old, born & raised in USA. He has girl friends and has been intimate with one and I don't know what to do. Will God punish me for his acts?

Answer : Praise be to Allaah.
There is no greater calamity than that which befalls one’s religious commitment. That is true calamity. We ask Allaah to keep us safe from it. Nothing is more precious to a person – after his own self – than his child.

Mujaahid and others of the salaf said: Advise your families to fear Allaah and discipline them. Qataadah said: Tell them to obey Allaah and forbid them to disobey Him.

In the case of your son, and many others, you should have closed the door to temptation before things got out of control. In Islam there is no such thing as friendship between a man and a woman who is not his mahram, especially at this dangerous stage of your son’s life.

You and his father have to act quickly to get your son away from these sinful relationships and cut off all ties with non-mahram women, even if you know that these relationships have not reached the level of zina. As we have stated, these relationships are not allowed in Islam in principle.

http://www.islamonline.com/fn153.asp

I don't remember that chapter from my Catholicism Class. By the way, have you ever read up on Nation of Islam too?

Their religion is not excatly the same as mine...

The teachings proclaim that the black man is the original man, ancestor to the entire human race, and that the white race is the result of an experiment of an evil scientist named Yacub. Approximately six thousand years ago Yacub used a recessive gene in the Black race to create the biological mutated Caucasians. These mutated Blacks were "Bleached of the essence of humanity [and] were without soul." 29.To NOI members, "the white man is a devil by nature, absolutely unredeemable and incapable of caring about or respecting anyone who is not white [and] is the historic, persistent source of harm and injury to black people"30. Because of Yacub's malicious mischief, Whites would rule humanity for an extended period of time until the black race once again gains control. They believe the coming of Farad is the beginning spark to the black race regaining control.31

http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/Nofislam.html

"Don't Worry, We Don't Kill Muslims"
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13680

Yeah, Lets do lunch Mohammed!-I don't think they're interested in the Muslim version of "Guess who's Coming to Dinner" either.
 
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Chanman

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djv said:
However if it's about oil go and get it. Last one with the oil wins. But if we would get a true a true energy police going. In 20 years we could tell the oil folks to kiss our ass.

The last part of this post I agree with; However, It concerns all of us, not just Bush & his cronies. As for the first part ...

The Democrats have discovered the enemy in the ongoing Iraq war. And it is Halliburton.

Nothing quite so angers Democrats about the current situation in Iraq than that Halliburton is making money there. Dennis Kucinich, the out-to-lunch leftist who sounds ever more mainstream given the leftward drift of the rest of the Democratic field, wants the United Nations in Iraq so there will be "no more Halliburton sweetheart deals." Bob Graham huffs, "I will not support a dime to protect the profits of Halliburton in Iraq." John Edwards vows "to stop this president from giving billions of dollars in American taxpayer money to companies like Halliburton in unbid contracts."
The Texas oil-services giant formerly headed by Dick Cheney, who still gets deferred compensation from the firm, has achieved iconic status. Halliburton is the equivalent of Dow, the maker of a key ingredient to napalm, during the Vietnam War -- the focus of supposed corporate evil during wartime. It is the equivalent of Mena Airport, the Arkansas site that obsessed anti-Clinton conspiracy theorists during the 1990s -- the focus of dark speculation about the mercenary scheming of a U.S. president.

Behind the Democratic outrage is the implicit, and sometimes explicit, charge that Bush waged war in Iraq to fatten the bottom line of one corporation. As The New York Times has put it, Halliburton's Iraq contract "undermines the Bush administration's portrayal of the war as a campaign for disarmament and democracy, not lucre." But to have risked his presidency -- not mention American lives -- on the war in order to benefit Halliburton, Bush would have to be a psychopath. That the Halliburton charge has become a chief Democratic critique of the war is another sign of the party's descent into unhinged ravings.

As journalist Byron York has reported, it's not really true that the company got its work without competitive bidding. In the 1990s, the military looked for ways to get outside help handling the logistics associated with foreign interventions. It came up with the U.S. Army Logistics Civil Augmentation Program, or LOGCAP. The program is a multiyear contract for a corporation to be on call to provide whatever services might be needed quickly.

Halliburton won a competitive bidding process for LOGCAP in 2001. So it was natural to turn to it (actually, to its wholly owned subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root) for prewar planning about handling oil fires in Iraq. "To invite other contractors to compete to perform a highly classified requirement that Kellogg Brown & Root was already under a competitively awarded contract to perform would have been a wasteful duplication of effort," the Army Corps of Engineers commander has written.

Then, in February 2003, the Corps of Engineers gave Halliburton a temporary no-bid contract to implement its classified oil-fire plan. The thinking was it would be absurd to undertake the drawn-out contracting process on the verge of war. If the administration had done that and there had been catastrophic fires, it would now be considered evidence of insufficient postwar planning. And Halliburton was an obvious choice, since it put out 350 oil-well fires in Kuwait after the first Gulf War.

The Clinton administration made the same calculation in its own dealings with Halliburton. The company had won the LOGCAP in 1992, then lost it in 1997. The Clinton administration nonetheless awarded a no-bid contract to Halliburton to continue its work in the Balkans supporting the U.S. peacekeeping mission there because it made little sense to change midstream. According to Byron York, Al Gore's reinventing-government panel even singled out Halliburton for praise for its military logistics work.

So, did Clinton and Gore involve the United States in the Balkans to benefit Halliburton? That charge makes as much sense as the one that Democrats are hurling at Bush now. Would that they directed more of their outrage at the people in Iraq who want to sabotage the country's oil infrastructure, rather than at the U.S. corporation charged with helping repair it.


Rich Lowry
 
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