Killed in Action

[Eddie Haskell]

Since, the liberal media apparently has forgotten to inform the public of the number of people killed in Iraq and further has forgotten to show us nightly images of body bags being unloaded off of military transports, I took it upon myself to googleize this and print what I found:

Americans killed: 742
Other coalition killed: 105
Americans wounded: 4201
Iraqi military killed: 4895-6370 (estimated)
Iraqi civilians killed: 8979-10833 (estimated)

The above totals do not include the military and civilians killed in Afghanistan. The incursion into Afghanstan can be arguably justified due to that countries ties with terrorism and Al Quida. Such incursion apparently is related to the unwarrented attack on the USA on 9-11.

With reference to the between 14,721 and 18,050 souls murdered in this wholly unjustified invasion by BushCo, I'm sure the dead and their families(American, coalition and Iraqi) thank you. I'm sure they further appreciate your sense of humor in looking for those weapons of mass destruction underneath the carpet in the oval office.

My God, people wake up.

Eddie

 

[Penguinfan]

Our esteemed Edward, I think you can let this go at this point, anyone with anything that resembles any sense what-so-ever will realize that this has turned into a gigantic clusterfvck, and if they don't see it by now they never will. Certainly I support out troops, the administration that put them there (which I voted for) has turned into another story. If you hold fast to the idea that we needed to go to Iraq in the first place then by now you must realize we never had a plan as to what to do once we got there, at this point we are running around in circles getting killed. No exit plan exists yet, nothing even close to the liberation on the Iraqi people and we here daily that more troops will be sent if needed, of course they are needed, they are needed to replace the ones returning in bags. This may be by far and away the worst administration in our history with the possible exception of none. The war is a disaster, Bin Laden is laughing his ass off and planning more attacks, the economy is a joke and please be quick to point out the incredible number of jobs created by this administration, repeat after me "Welcome to McDonalds, can I take you order", I work for a top 20 company in the US and trust me sales are not close to what they should be, throw in the price of gas which is not coming down anytime soon and we will all be wondering just what the hell happened This will all be justified in November when Bush gets re-elected, thats the glaring error in Democracy, it is basically just mob rules, the majority doesn't have to be right, they just have to be the majority.
Before anyone asks, no I don't have a better plan, but then again I am not seeking re-election

Penguinfan

 

[yyz]

I have a plan:


"End the fuking war!"



Does anyone know why we are there? I don't even remember any more!


If the U.S. goal was to oust the current regime, and make the country a better place, shouldn't they have bombed the piss out of them? Maybe we would be re-building that place by now, instead of filling more body bags every day?

Who the hell makes the decision that our troops stand around and wait to be blown up, or shot, while "keeping the peace"? What peace?:shrug:

If the people who run the U.S wanted this war over, it would be. If you have fleas, do you kill them one by one as they bite you, or do you spray the fukers?

This shit is getting old.

 

[kneifl]

I have a plan:


"End the fuking war!"



Does anyone know why we are there? I don't even remember any more!


If the U.S. goal was to oust the current regime, and make the country a better place, shouldn't they have bombed the piss out of them? Maybe we would be re-building that place by now, instead of filling more body bags every day?

Who the hell makes the decision that our troops stand around and wait to be blown up, or shot, while "keeping the peace"? What peace?:shrug:

If the people who run the U.S wanted this war over, it would be. If you have fleas, do you kill them one by one as they bite you, or do you spray the fukers?

This shit is getting old.

Well said yyz,

kneifl

 

[StevieD]

Well said everyone so far in this thread. We are fighting the war that the terrorists want us to fight. Where are all these weapons of mass destruction that WE have at our disposal? We spent billions for them but we can't use them? We can't even identify the enemy and our soldiers sit there day after day with targets on their backs. I pity whoever becomes President next because he will have to deal with this mess Bush. Cheney and Halliburton made. All our President can say is that we have an enemy that hates us! Gee, I am glad we don't have enimies that love us.

 

[saint]

The real title of this thread should read:

"Democratic Circle-Jerk"


But really, I agree, when will there come a time when a definitive plan will be proposed. I think we have been flying by the seat of our pants long enough.

 

[StevieD]

If this is a Republican War then I suggest only Republicans be drafted to fight it.

 

[PRO190]

If this is a Republican War then I suggest only Republicans be drafted to fight it.

It already is being fought by mostly republicans, all your boys and girls have either run to Canada or gone AWOL..

 

[djv]

Pro you always do better then that with your answers. You see the volinteer army as we call it right now. Well at best you will get out of it is 50/50 split. And since there is a high number of blacks in our services. And the republicans act like they have no blacks in there party. I would say it's more like 60/40 those who are serving. That would be dem's to reb.

 

[Snake Plissken]

No doubt about it War Sucks and we lost alot of good men and women.

Just Imagine how many people would die if Saddam completed his nuclear bomb Program.

Saddam's Plans

 

[StevieD]

Doesn't it kind of make you wonder why we were friends with this guy when he was doing all that bad stuff we hear about him doing.

 

[Snake Plissken]

It sure does make you wonder what the hell they were thinking dealing with this guy. The only thing I can think of is that back then Iran was the enemy and Iraq was at war with Iran and You know the old Saying "The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend"

 

[dr. freeze]

Doesn't it kind of make you wonder why we were friends with this guy when he was doing all that bad stuff we hear about him doing.

isn't it amazing that we fought alongside the Soviet's in WWII?

 

[wareagle]

As I head off to Baghdad for the final weeks of my stay in Iraq, I wanted to
say thanks to all of you who did not believe the media. They have done a
very poor job of covering everything that has happened. I am sorry that I
have not been able to visit all of you during my two week leave back home.
And just so you can rest at night knowing something is happening in Iraq
that is noteworthy, I thought I would pass this on to you. This is the list
of things that has happened in Iraq recently: (Please share it with your
friends and compare it to the version that your paper is producing)
-Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time ever
in Iraq.
-Over 400,000 kids have up to date immunizations.
-Over 1500 schools have been renovated and ridded of the weapons that were
stored there so education can occur.
-The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off loaded from ships
faster.
-School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.
-The country had it's first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August.
-The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before the war
-100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed compared to 35% before the
war.
-Elections are taking place in every major city and city councils are in
place.
-Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city.
-Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.
-Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country.
-Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by side with US
soldiers.
-Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever.
-Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to prevent
the spread of germs.
-An interim constitution has been signed.
-Girls are allowed to attend school for the first time ever in Iraq.
-Text books that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first time
in 30 years.

Don't believe for one second that these people do not want us there. I have
met many many people from Iraq that want us there and in a bad way. They
say they will never see the freedoms we talk about but they hope their
children will. We are doing a good job in Iraq and I challenge anyone,
anywhere to dispute me on these facts. So If you happen to run into
John Kerry, be sure to send him to Denison, Iowa. This soldier will set him
straight. If you are like me and very disgusted with how this period of
rebuilding has been portrayed, email this to a friend and let them know
there are good things happening.

Ray Reynolds, SFC
Iowa Army National Guard
234th Signal Battalion

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"If this is a Republican War then I suggest only Republicans be drafted to fight it."

Great idea!!--and lets add to that fact that only conservatives reap the benefits.

I could name MANY examples but one will suffice.
They have terrorist warning of hitting malls in LA. Lets for the sake of argument have conservative malls and liberal malls.
The conservative malls are screened and protected by government the liberal malls have Micheal Moore,Saranden and the Eddie Haskels of this world protecting it,welcoming all of middle east origin with no checks (no profiling remember)

It wasn't too long ago the people in New York were saying the same thing and within a day were sold out of American flags----funny things happen when reality sets in.

---and if memory serves me correctly according to last election demographics about 73% of military are Republican--so your not far off your wish ---and since most protesters are liberal maybe they can fight can fight the terrorist with their signs or choke with heel dust as they run away. :tongue

DJV --RE blacks in military
http://www.ncpa.org/iss/ter/2003/pd010803e.html

 

[StevieD]

DTB here is where you have to learn to make the distinction between the War on Terror and the War in Iraq. It is too bad that Bush and company decided to get side tracked in Iraq. That war has nothing to do with terrorism. Who were terrorists in Iraq? Where they Husseins army? The ones we are now employing? Get a grip. Your Boy George can't even make the connection. Please didn't you read Ray Reynolds letter. It is all about liberating the Iraqi people! Your friends the Saudies seem to embrace terrorists too. Why didn't Boy George go after his business partners? After all he went after Cheneys ex-business partner in Saddam.
And while we are at it the American flag is not a symbol of the Republican party so no need to wrap yourself in the flag it belongs to all of us.

 

[djv]

Eddie you can add 10 more over the weekend that were killed. And another 28 wounded.
Seems the real war started after some guy open his mouth.
DTB I would say those number are close. Blacks are only 18% of our total pupulation. So with 12 to 14% serving they more then share the load.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

DJV Don't understand your math?

I quess we differ on definition of terrorists. I classify people in general that target civilians on purpose as terrorist

 

[AR182]

stevied quote:" DTB here is where you have to learn to make the distinction between the War on Terror and the War in Iraq."


stevie, this is where the problem is. people who oppose the war for some reason cannot believe saddam's iraq being involved with alqaeda or dabbling with wmd.

but did you happen to noticed snake's link to his post in this thread ?

i belive that this is just the "tip of the iceberg".

and this article that i copied & pasted talks about some of the caught jordian terrorists admitting that they were trained in iraq.




Tuesday, April 27, 2004 4:40 p.m. EDT
Jordan WMD Plotter Confesses to Iraqi Involvement

At least one of the al-Qaida plotters arrested in Jordan earlier this month as part of a weapons of mass destruction plot that Jordanian officials say could have killed 80,000 people revealed on Monday that he was trained in Iraq before the U.S. invaded in March 2003.

In a confession broadcast on Jordanian television, the unnamed WMD conspirator revealed: "In Iraq, I started training in explosives and poisons. I gave my complete obedience to [Abu Musab al] Zarqawi," the al-Qaida WMD specialist whose base of operations was in Iraq.

Excerpts from the WMD conspirator's confession broadcast by ABC's "Nightline" late Monday show that the WMD plot was planned and trained for in Iraq more than a year before the U.S. invasion, with the terror suspect admitting, "After the fall of Afghanistan, I met Zarqawi again in Iraq."

U.S. forces vanquished the Taliban government in Kabul in December 2001 - 15 months before the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

"Some of the details appear to be fairly significant in terms of the planning," reported "Nightline's" Chris Bury: "$170,000, a lot of meetings, getting instructions from people in Iraq, people inside Syria."

"This doesn't appear to be a mom-and-pop operation," he added.

Al-Zarqawi, who also ran a camp for Jordanian recruits in Afghanistan, has been linked to a series of terrorist plots, including the attack in Madrid last month, the bombing of the U.N. compound in Baghdad last summer, and the 2002 killing of an American diplomat in Jordan.

On Monday al-Zarqawi took credit for the attacks on Iraq's oil terminals in Basra over the weekend, "Nightline" said. The attack, though interrupted before it could do maximum damage, killed three U.S. soldiers.

The Jordan chem-bomb plot was to be executed in three stages, according to a video re-enactment released by Jordanian officials.

The first stage was to involve a car carrying several al-Qaida operatives, who would approach the gates of the Jordanian security service in Amman and gun down the facility's armed guards.

The car would be quickly followed by a specially equipped track laden with conventional explosives that would break through the security service gate and crash into the main building.

In the third stage, the plot called for three tanker trucks to follow the breakthrough vehicle, loaded with a combined total of 20 tons of chemical weapons laced with conventional explosives. One truck was to crash into the security headquarters, another the U.S. Embassy nearby. A third was to hit a building within a few hundred yards of the other two targets, the Jordanian video showed.

The ensuing cloud of poison gas could have killed 80,000 people, Jordanian officials said, an estimate that was revised upward from an anticipated death toll of 20,000 last week.

In film footage broadcast by "Nightline," Jordanian television showed hundreds of plastic containers that had been removed from the trucks that Jordanian officials said were filled with chemical weapons.

Jordan's King Abdullah said last week that the five trucks originated from Syria and were intercepted just 75 miles from the Syrian border. Syria has long been suspected as a repository of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction.

 

[StevieD]

AR terrorists are trained thoughout the mideast. I never heard anyone defend Saddam, except for maybe Rumsfeld when he was propping him up during the Reagan years, and the war to oust him has weakened the war against terror. Okay so Saddam is gone. Now more terrorists then ever are in Iraq. We do not have an enemy that we can identify in Iraq and as a result we are fighting the kind of war the terrorist want us to fight. Mission Accomplished? I don't think so.