Kosar/dtb family value thread

kosar

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Last time i checked, 1942 is not the '1800's.' He got rich doing business with the Nazi's. This family that you fawn over was financed by Nazi trade. Period.

Also, I thought this thread was about 'family values.' You said you have a 'lengthy list' of things that impugns Obamas family values.

Best as I can tell, you have absolutely nothing.
 

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Sarah Palin can teach us all about family values and morals, as her daughter knocked up at 16 speaks very loudly for what values and morals the Palin family cherishes. If Obama had finished 5th from last in his graduating class at Harvard, or if his wife stole pain killers from a charitable organization would we even be considering him for president?
 

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Yep MC When Palin starts being one person welcoming committee for black muslim immigrants-abandons her children--goes on foods stamps -come back and inform us.

I thought maybe you were going to step and repute at least one of my points on O's laundry list--but my guess is you'll gotta pass with everyone else.
 

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Yep MC When Palin starts being one person welcoming committee for black muslim immigrants-abandons her children--goes on foods stamps -come back and inform us.

What? Is that a reference to Obama's mom or just more racist garbage ....or I guess both?
 

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Here's a link, Wayne. Complete with pictures. Ironically, the piece's title is 'Bush Family Values.'


http://www.hereinreality.com/familyvalues.html


Bush Family Values Photo Album


For more than a half century, members of the Bush family have been setting policy and making decisions for all Americans. Let's look at the family that has had such an impact on the lives of human beings worldwide


It all started with Prescott Bush, George W. Bush's grandfather. In 1918 it is said that he robbed the grave and stole the skull of the Native American warrior Geronimo as part of an initiation into Yale's Skull and Bones Society. The Skull and Bones society has long been important to the Bush Family. George Bush Sr. and George W. Bush were also members of this secret society.


Prescott Bush had a bit of trouble back in the 1940s. While American soldiers were fighting the Nazis in WWII, a few of the companies Prescott managed were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act because they were fronts for Nazi Industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a financier of Hitler's Third Reich.

Here are more pictures of Bush family and friends

This is GW's Uncle Prescott, Jr. During the embargo on China, his company was the only US firm allowed to do business there, exporting communications satellites.

He recently retired as the Chairman of the USA-China Chamber of Commerce, which might be one reason China isn't part of the Axis of Evil. (more on China) He also has ties to Manuel Noriega.


For many years, the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (now DEA) wanted to have Manuel Noriega arrested for drug trafficking, but instead George Bush, Sr. kept him on the CIA payroll. For more than a decade, thousands of tons of cocaine poured onto the streets of America through the Panama Canal while the US government looked the other way. This destroyed the stability of millions of American families, and the repercussions to our society are still being felt today.

Here's GW when he was in the National Guard, which he joined to get out of going to Vietnam. He was a pilot in Texas until his flight status was revoked for refusing to take medical exams. For at least eight months, he didn't even show up for duty.


He's a terrorist accused of blowing up an airplane killing 76 people in Cuba, but George Bush, Sr. thought so much of him that he gave him a Presidential Pardon.

She was embarrassed after she got caught smuggling almost $20,000 worth of clothes and jewelery into America after a trip to France.

This is Jeb's brother Neil Bush. He cost American taxpayers $1 billion after some shady loans he made caused the Silverado Savings and Loan to go under in 1988. Now he's making millions selling software to Florida schools. Now he's divorcing his wife and leaving her broke, after he had several affairs and contracted a venereal disease (scroll down). Coincidentally, Neil was scheduled to have dinner with John Hinckley's brother the day after the Reagan Assassination attempt.



When George Bush, Sr. was the Vice President, he was involved in secretly selling weapons to our enemy Iran. The money from the weapons sales went to build a secret army that was trying to overthrow the Nicaraguan government. This resulted in years of violence and slaughter for many thousands of Central Americans, and it allowed thousands of tons of drugs to be dumped on the streets of America. When he was president, George Bush, Sr. gave a presidential pardon to the others who were involved in the Iran-Contra scandal.

Besides their last names, George W and Jeb Bush have this in common: All of their children have been in trouble with the law. Unlike most Americans who commit crimes ranging from sexual misconduct to felony prescription fraud, the Bush Kids never go to prison.







Now George Bush, Sr. works for The Carlyle Group. They invest in defense companies, medical laboratories, and the telecommunications industry. The Carlyle Group is one of the government's biggest contractors. George Bush, Sr. and The Carlyle Group stand to make billions of dollars from the War on Terror. On September 11, The Carlyle Group was having a conference at the Ritz Carlton hotel in Washington, DC with members of the Bin Laden family, one of their investors.

Lets see you got some org complaining about great uncle prescott-

You got brother of Jeb "accused of shady loans"
I thought that was Clinton--oops that was Arkansas savings and loan--Hell "if" Neil is guilty he be liberal pres material.
Lets see you got them dissing GW for flying jets in National guard--how embarrassing--bet he hates telling grand children about that :)

--and last but not least you got G Sr working the the biggest gov contractor--how humiliating.

--and presidential pardons--any brothers pardoned for cocaine distribution--any 10 most wanted for cash

--and kids been in trouble with law??--wonder if after 17 times they ignore it and say fck you to the authorities like Obwanna.

--saving the best for last--your source
http://www.hereinreality.com/

Let the people look and decide --a real impartial source you got there Matt. The conspiracy theorist need to bookmark this as their top source
For those that don't want click link--heres their front page stories. 1st time you pulled one of those Matt.


Meet
The Carlyle Group
Bush Family Values
Photo Album
Who Killed
John O'Neill?
Military Career


Inside a Think Tank
Enron
Photo Album

Iran-Contra Success Stories
Suicidal
Coincidences

Another Skeleton
in GW's Closet
North Korea Flip-Flop
Bush Kids Gone Wild
Dead Peasant Insurance

Meet Big Brother
9-11 Insider Trading
Bush "Fun" Page
 

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Oh here's a good one on family values. Kosar - what can you or another Floridian tell us about Jeb's disowned crackhead daughter?
 

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Lets see you got some org complaining about great uncle prescott-

You got brother of Jeb "accused of shady loans"
I thought that was Clinton--oops that was Arkansas savings and loan--Hell "if" Neil is guilty he be liberal pres material.
Lets see you got them dissing GW for flying jets in National guard--how embarrassing--bet he hates telling grand children about that :)

--and last but not least you got G Sr working the the biggest gov contractor--how humiliating.

--and presidential pardons--any brothers pardoned for cocaine distribution--any 10 most wanted for cash

--and kids been in trouble with law??--wonder if after 17 times they ignore it and say fck you to the authorities like Obwanna.

--saving the best for last--your source
http://www.hereinreality.com/

Let the people look and decide --a real impartial source you got there Matt. The conspiracy theorist need to bookmark this as their top source
For those that don't want click link--heres their front page stories. 1st time you pulled one of those Matt.


Meet
The Carlyle Group
Bush Family Values
Photo Album
Who Killed
John O'Neill?
Military Career


Inside a Think Tank
Enron
Photo Album

Iran-Contra Success Stories
Suicidal
Coincidences

Another Skeleton
in GW's Closet
North Korea Flip-Flop
Bush Kids Gone Wild
Dead Peasant Insurance

Meet Big Brother
9-11 Insider Trading
Bush "Fun" Page

Wayne,

Prescott's history is and has been pretty general knowledge. I thought, anyways. You kept asking for a 'link' and all I did was go down google and pasted them since you seemed to be somehow incapable of looking into it yourself.

You can dance around all you want, but the fact remains that the Bush fortune originated from monies made from trading with the Nazis.

Do you disagree? Yes or no will be fine.

And are you really equating drug problems with parking tickets? Seriously?

If that site mentioned Jeb and bad loans, then i'm sure they meant Neil. You've heard of HIM, I assume?

This thread is supposedly about family values. You started this thread.

I haven't seen even one thing from you about Obamas family values.
 

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McCain and Palin the family values ticket, just as the Bush-Cheney ticket was a family values ticket. So, we go from a family value ticket that brought us cocaine use, multiple DWI's, vehicular manslaughter charges to the family values ticket of McCain and Palin. Now we get teenage pregnancy, illegial firings, unemployed husband, a first lady whom stole Vicodin from the charity that she worked for, a president whom just like W finished in the lower half of his class, and of course took money from Charles Keating. Its going to be tough for americans to measure up to these high standards.
 

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Wayne,

Prescott's history is and has been pretty general knowledge. I thought, anyways. You kept asking for a 'link' and all I did was go down google and pasted them since you seemed to be somehow incapable of looking into it yourself.

You can dance around all you want, but the fact remains that the Bush fortune originated from monies made from trading with the Nazis.

Do you disagree? Yes or no will be fine.

And are you really equating drug problems with parking tickets? Seriously?

If that site mentioned Jeb and bad loans, then i'm sure they meant Neil. You've heard of HIM, I assume?

This thread is supposedly about family values. You started this thread.

I haven't seen even one thing from you about Obamas family values.

I am capable Matt and exactly what I did was google Prescott Bush
HOWEVER mine picked up #1 entry as wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush
Which presents him totally diff than your liberal source. Do you have your google search set to block all impartial references?
:0corn

we'll let everyone type prescott bush in their search engine--then let them decide-fair enough ;)
 

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McCain and Palin the family values ticket, just as the Bush-Cheney ticket was a family values ticket. So, we go from a family value ticket that brought us cocaine use, multiple DWI's, vehicular manslaughter charges to the family values ticket of McCain and Palin. Now we get teenage pregnancy, illegial firings, unemployed husband, a first lady whom stole Vicodin from the charity that she worked for, a president whom just like W finished in the lower half of his class, and of course took money from Charles Keating. Its going to be tough for americans to measure up to these high standards.

Opps thought you might have rebuttal on O history--wrong again.

but then again we have liberal ranting about out of wedlock pregnant daughter on one hand--but if knocked up by Muslim immigrant--and abandoned and they are magicaly transfered into presidential material--keen sense handicapping there Master :)
 

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Only someone so far right of the center would hold against any human being on how they were conceived. Is this how your brain really thinks? You hold it against Obama that his father abandoned Obama, and this in your world makes Obama a bad person. Yet, you dont scorn Palin for preaching family values when her own family is a mess, AMAZING! One thing for sure, no matter who wins Obama or McCain they will have one hell of a mess to clean up due to the ineptness of the Bush Administration. Quite different from when W took over from Clinton and had a nice surplus and a stable stock market.
 

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Who cares?

We are not voting for a religious leader here. Is our next president supposed to be sinless and perfect? I think we would have a hard time finding anyone like that...

What I care about is political values and how a person can lead. Starting wars for the wrong reasons, turning our economy into what it is today, and helping corrupt corporations flourish is wrong. I would rather our president get blowjobs in the oval office than do things that actually affect me.

DTB you act as if because Obama comes from a broken home, that he does not have good family values. So therefore by your reasoning, all children from broken homes do not have family values (that is good because it easily eliminates 50% of the population for our next president). How was he to control his parents' actions? Obviously he has chosen a different route for his own family, and that is all a person can do - move forward and learn from other's mistakes.

I won't judge McCain either on his family life (although just for the sake of argument, he DID choose to make a broken home, but I also think highly of all the charitable work that his family does). I will judge him on his policies and what I think is his lack of ability to lead and rally the people at this crucial time in our history.

The thing that is glaringly obvious DTB is that you will vote republican NO MATTER WHAT. I was going to vote for a republican in this election, but unfortunately my candidate did not make it through. So I looked at both candidates' positions, and decided, based on their political policies, which one to vote for.

You should try practicing some critical thinking skills everyone once in awhile - who knows, it might do you some good.
 

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Who cares?

We are not voting for a religious leader here. Is our next president supposed to be sinless and perfect? I think we would have a hard time finding anyone like that...

What I care about is political values and how a person can lead. Starting wars for the wrong reasons, turning our economy into what it is today, and helping corrupt corporations flourish is wrong. I would rather our president get blowjobs in the oval office than do things that actually affect me.

DTB you act as if because Obama comes from a broken home, that he does not have good family values. So therefore by your reasoning, all children from broken homes do not have family values (that is good because it easily eliminates 50% of the population for our next president). How was he to control his parents' actions? Obviously he has chosen a different route for his own family, and that is all a person can do - move forward and learn from other's mistakes.

I won't judge McCain either on his family life (although just for the sake of argument, he DID choose to make a broken home, but I also think highly of all the charitable work that his family does). I will judge him on his policies and what I think is his lack of ability to lead and rally the people at this crucial time in our history.

The thing that is glaringly obvious DTB is that you will vote republican NO MATTER WHAT. I was going to vote for a republican in this election, but unfortunately my candidate did not make it through. So I looked at both candidates' positions, and decided, based on their political policies, which one to vote for.

You should try practicing some critical thinking skills everyone once in awhile - who knows, it might do you some good.

You do realize the economy goes in cycles. It's not going to be great for all 8 years. Obvious right now its down..

What position's of Obama stuck out to you? What has he accomplished in his past that gives you confidence in him that he can get it done?
 

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Would have been nice to at least have 8 minutes in that eight years.

So the economy was poor all 8 years? :shrug: I do think 9/11 had a little to do with it.. It recovered pretty strong from that, albeit right now it sucks.
 

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Hippo what republican candidate did you back? I find it strange that you went from a republican candidate to backing Obama's 'policies'.

That is a drastic change. Considering he is the most liberal senator in Washington.
 

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So the economy was poor all 8 years? :shrug: I do think 9/11 had a little to do with it.. It recovered pretty strong from that, albeit right now it sucks.

Yeah since it was all on a credit card. the republican way. Borrow and spend.
 

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You do realize the economy goes in cycles. It's not going to be great for all 8 years. Obvious right now its down..

What position's of Obama stuck out to you? What has he accomplished in his past that gives you confidence in him that he can get it done?

No I didn't realize that economy goes in cycles. Is this kind of like the global warming cycles too :rolleyes:

Let's consider a few FACTS from the Bush years:

worst job growth since herbert hoover

unemployment rate up

projected surplus when he took office turned into huge debt

cut taxes on millionaires

household income has declined when adjusting for inflation

income inequality has grown

poverty rates have risen

more people without healthcare


I guess this is all just part of the "cycle".

What I like about Obama:

1) Tax relief for the middle class, higher taxes for the rich

2) Reducing health care costs and making it more accessible

3) Diplomacy rather than war

4) Improve veterans rights

5) Improving educational access, including no child left behind

6) Creating green jobs and funding alternative-fuel research (this is my line of work so I am particularly fond of this and could point out Bush's abysmal funding record here as another of his myriad of failures)

7) Pay equity for women and a women's right to choose

Like I said, no politician is going to be able to accomplish everything they say they are going to, but I agree with nearly all his positions.
 
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