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Yeh but those with the most money win the election. And the Clintons been packing in fundraisers for the last 10 years.
Kosar finishes dead last in likeability poll
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Yeh but those with the most money win the election. And the Clintons been packing in fundraisers for the last 10 years.
A couple of Presidential race thoughts...
What IF Bill decided to run again? Did we ever find out that was not possible? I seem to remember a thread about that. Honestly, I think that if he did run again, he might have a chance to win - especially in the current environment. Unless Hillary released the hounds to can his candidacy, that is.
And, does anyone really think that Obama is ready to assume the lead dog role for the country? I would have tabbed him for at least the next election, and maybe the following one at the earliest. I am not in the group that thinks a woman or a minority (black, specifically) could not win the Presidency at this point. I think that if people are comfortable having them as Senators and high-ranking cabinet officials, I think it's just another step.
It just seems pretty clear cut to me, that we will see McCain vs. Hillary at this point. But maybe I'm missing something? A couple names just seem ludicrous to me, as far as being electable - Rice is one, and Kerry is the other one. I don't think Giuliani has the clout behind him, unless republicans are looking at nominating a moderate.
I would not have voted for Kosar, that's for sure, in the important race here. There are plenty of idiots (conservatives) in here that are more qualified. :142smilie
Now, who is the most likeable? Maybe AR? He's a pretty good egg. Weasel is too argumentative in matters of common sense, and is a windbag on too many issues to be that well liked. :142smilie
Sorry, got lazy with the smilies.
What IF Bill decided to run again? Did we ever find out that was not possible? I seem to remember a thread about that. Honestly, I think that if he did run again, he might have a chance to win - especially in the current environment. Unless Hillary released the hounds to can his candidacy, that is.
And, does anyone really think that Obama is ready to assume the lead dog role for the country? I would have tabbed him for at least the next election, and maybe the following one at the earliest. I am not in the group that thinks a woman or a minority (black, specifically) could not win the Presidency at this point. I think that if people are comfortable having them as Senators and high-ranking cabinet officials, I think it's just another step.
It just seems pretty clear cut to me, that we will see McCain vs. Hillary at this point. But maybe I'm missing something? A couple names just seem ludicrous to me, as far as being electable - Rice is one, and Kerry is the other one. I don't think Giuliani has the clout behind him, unless republicans are looking at nominating a moderate.
I would not have voted for Kosar, that's for sure, in the important race here. There are plenty of idiots (conservatives) in here that are more qualified. :142smilie
Now, who is the most likeable? Maybe AR? He's a pretty good egg. Weasel is too argumentative in matters of common sense, and is a windbag on too many issues to be that well liked. :142smilie
Sorry, got lazy with the smilies.
I was getting a history lesson on the Pope, Greece, Turkey, and the Balkans in general from someone much more informed on these subjects........
Not being racist.....
but to quote the owner of a local establishment, of Greek decent
"There's NO WAY this country will have a black president"
I'd have to agree with him, especially since Mr Obama has been found to have a few skeletons of his own.
Colin Powell would easily win a 2008 election no matter with which party he chose to run. Unfortunately, his wife is, and has always been, dead-set against him running for any office.
I agree Powell is good man. Might even be right guy for the troubled times more then we know.
His wife with out saying it almost believes he would not make it out alive. And That is dam sad.
I would drive for him to. We would have to knock Kosar down to Secratary of State.
His wife with out saying it almost believes he would not make it out alive. And That is dam sad.
I would drive for him to. We would have to knock Kosar down to Secratary of State.
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Come on, leave politics out of this! This thread is about you, Kosar, don't avoid the subject. Do you like yourself or not?
You would get my #2 vote for likeability in the political forum. #1 has to go to smurphy - he is a brilliant conspiracy theorist after all. But once again, the hegemony has left all the little people out of the voting process and our voices are lost in the wilderness. :nooo:
I'll get back to this if I can find more......
But I think he benifitted greatly from some property dealings with a certain well known political contributor that has run into some legal problems of his own. A couple big time politicians in these parts are being exposed for questionable land purchases. Let's say they got property deals from this contributor that nobody else would have been privy to.
Total low blow. The only way you could have insulted me more is calling me Cheney. figures you would trash me. Now i only have two friends.:sadwave:
Friggin' hegemony. I hate those guys. Thanks for your support, Hippo. Smurphy hates me, DJV is driving for me, Sponge is Sponge, Gardenweasel talks about 'facts', yet never addresses any facts in lieu of frantic, manic, tantric rants. This is all so confusing.
Yeah, man. I'm going to google it and see if I can find anything. I'm surprised that I haven't seen anything on this, if it's a somewhat major issue.
Thursday, November 2. 2006
BIG, HUGE, MASSIVE Obama scandal!!
OMG!! The Chicago Tribune has a BIG HUGE story on Barack Obama's SECRET real estate deal!! Just look at this!!
When Sen. Barack Obama decided to buy a stately $1.65 million home last year on Chicago's South Side, Antoin "Tony" Rezko and his wife wasted no time. The same day the Obamas closed on the house, the Rezkos closed on the purchase of the adjoining vacant lot, which once was the estate's lush side yard.
In normal circumstances, the two real estate transactions probably wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. There is, after all, nothing illegal or untoward about an aggressive developer buying hot property next door to a rising political star.
But these are not normal times for either Obama or Rezko, two longtime friends whose fortunes have taken sharp turns in opposite directions.
Illinois' junior U.S. senator has become a political star, riding a surge of popularity that has made him a top potential candidate for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination.
Rezko, meanwhile, has achieved notoriety of a different sort. In October, he pleaded not guilty to federal charges involving pay-to-play allegations that surround Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich's administration.
Now the hows and whys of a real estate deal, and a train of subsequent transactions, are raising questions about the relationship between the two men, as Obama struggles to distance himself from Rezko, and Rezko strives to stay out of prison.
WOW!! That's scary!! Give me more!!
Over the last 16 months, as they jointly worked to improve their side-by-side properties, the two men entered an ongoing series of personal financial arrangements. Because Rezko was widely reported to be under federal grand jury scrutiny, Obama said he was careful to ensure their transactions were ethical and proper.
"My working assumption was that as long as I operated in an open, up-front fashion, and all the T's were crossed and I's were dotted, that it wouldn't be an issue," Obama said. "If it was a neighbor I didn't know at all, would I have behaved any differently? I felt like the answer was no."
Yeah, I just bet 'youse guys' was open and up-front!! Tell me more!!
Obama added: "Tony has been a supporter of mine since my first race for state Senate."
And he said: "I haven't been involved with him in any legislative work whatsoever or any government activities of any sort."
For years, it's been Rezko's practice to befriend up-and-coming political figures, from Blagojevich to the godson of former County Board President John Stroger. Rezko often weaves those political friendships into business ventures.
Rezko first reached out to Obama in about 1990 when the future senator made headlines as the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. Rezko and two real estate partners called out of the blue to offer a job building inner-city homes.
"I said no, but I remained friendly with all three of them," Obama said. "All three of them remained great contributors of mine."
Over the years Rezko and Obama shared lunch "once or twice a year, although that's just an estimate," the senator said. As couples, the Rezkos and Obamas dined perhaps "two to four times ... in the time that I've known him."
One of Illinois' most prominent local Democratic fundraisers, Rezko and his companies donated at least $8,000 to Obama's state Senate campaigns and $11,500 to Obama's federal fund. (Obama has said he will divest those federal donations.) Rezko also hosted a 2003 event to boost Obama's campaign fund.
A-HA!! I KNEW IT!! Obama never took a job with his "friend"!! And, AND, Obama is giving back all the money Rezko donated since being indicted three weeks ago!! What's more, they had dinner together!! More, tell me MORE!!
Obama and his wife were already flush with success when they went house hunting last year. Their combined income--bolstered by payments for his best-selling autobiography and advances for future books--topped $1.67 million. His wife, Michelle, had recently been promoted to a $316,962-a-year position as vice president at the University of Chicago Hospitals.
They were drawn to a 96-year-old Georgian revival home that has four fireplaces, glass-door bookcases fashioned from Honduran mahogany, and a 1,000-bottle wine cellar, according to real estate listings and an interview. The house and the adjoining yard--which is surveyed as a separate lot--are rimmed by 12-foot-tall evergreens.
In the past, the two lots had been sold as a single estate. But in 2005, the owners listed the two parcels for sale separately.
Obama said his family's real estate broker brought the house to his wife's attention. He said he discussed the house with Rezko but isn't sure how Rezko began pursuing the adjacent lot. But Obama raised the possibility that he was the first to bring the lot to Rezko's attention.
"I don't recall exactly what our conversations were or where I first learned, and I am not clear what the circumstances were where he made a decision that he was interested in the property," Obama said.
"I may have mentioned to him the name of [a developer and] he may at that point have contacted that person. I'm not clear about that," Obama said.
The neighborhood wasn't new to Rezko, whose companies had purchased numerous South Side properties.
Obama said he and Rezko had no prior agreement about Rezko's plans for the garden parcel.
"My understanding was that he was going to develop it," Obama said.
It was "already a stretch" to buy the house, Obama said, so the vacant lot was not affordable for his family.
RIGHT!! So Obama wants to buy a $1.65 Million home with the $1.67 Million he and his wife have!! But they can't afford the other parcel!! So Obama tells his friend he is buying a house, probably at one of their "dinners" they are always having, but HE CAN'T REMEMBER those conversations!! You know, his "friend" who just happens to be a "real estate developer" and owner of other properties in the same neighborhood!! I'm smelling RAT!! C'mon Tribune, spill it!!
The Obamas bought the house in June 2005 for $1.65 million--some $300,000 less than the asking price--and secured a $1.32 million mortgage from Northern Trust.
Rezko's wife, Rita, bought the adjoining lot the same day, paying the full $625,000 asking price with the help of a $500,000 mortgage from Mutual Bank of Harvey. The Rezkos declined to comment for this article.
The Obamas wanted a fence between the parcels. They hired an attorney and architects within a month of their purchase to seek guidance about the fence from the Commission on Chicago Landmarks.
Michelle Obama had served on the commission from 1998 to March 2005, and she contacted the staff about the fence. On July 15, 2005, a city landmarks deputy commissioner, Brian Goeken, sent a long e-mail to Michelle Obama saying he had gone out one evening to look at the house. He listed suggestions for obtaining a permit for the fence.
Goeken declined to comment for this article.
Over the next six months, the Obamas' architect had several conversations with city officials about whether to relocate portions of the existing fence or build a new, compatible one.
Architect Wil Taubert said in an interview that he dealt only with the Obamas.
"I knew somebody owned the corner but I never asked who it was," Taubert said.
Though the Obamas laid the groundwork, Rezko agreed to build and pay for the $14,000 fence that runs along their property line.
Obama said Rezko paid for the fence because a city ordinance compelled Rezko to fence the line between his vacant lot and their house. He added that both men agreed there were broader reasons for a fence.
"I had had a conversation with him in which I indicated that it probably was important for us to have a separation of the properties because the property was all one piece, it wasn't really demarcated, and I did think that it was important for there not to be any perception whatsoever that somehow I was having any use of their property," Obama said.
"Partly because Michelle had already been on Landmarks, partly because we're well-known neighbors ... I felt it was important to make sure that all the T's were crossed and I's were dotted in terms of compliance with landmarks," he said. "I thought it would be embarrassing if somehow whatever fence was erected didn't comply."
Obama said he funded the architectural and legal work because "if somebody walked by, they would assume that it was on my property and so it was important from my perspective that it be done right."
A wrought-iron fence separates a 7,500-square-foot lot owned by businessman and political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko from the home of U.S. Sen. Barack Obama and his family.
Oooooooo, so the city required Obama's "friend" build a fence that Obama wanted to avoid any hint that Obama was getting some sort of quid pro quo, and Obama paid for the architectual drawings!! And it had to fit the Historic District commissions rules!! Where Michelle Obama once worked!! Uh, well, uh. There must be more. I WANT MORE!!
To preserve the aesthetic balance, Obama also wanted to put some space between his house and the proposed fence, so he personally asked Tony Rezko if they would sell a portion of their lot without restricting their ability to build in the future.
"I told them if you can spare another 5 or 10 feet, I'd be happy to purchase it from you," Obama said. "They came back and said they could sell us up to 10 feet."
Using a standard formula, Obama's appraiser estimated the 1,500-square-foot portion at a market value of $40,500.
But Obama felt it would be fair to pay the Rezkos $104,500, or a sixth of their original $625,000 purchase price, because he was acquiring a sixth of their land. The sale closed in January 2006.
That month, the fabricator hired by Rezko began building the fence, which sits immediately on top of the property line. Five months later, in May, Advance Welding & Construction sent one of Rezko's companies a $14,300 invoice that stated, "All work is completed."
Obama said he and his family have never used the Rezko yard--even for a brief picnic or Frisbee game. But Obama said he pays his landscaper to mow Rezko's 7,500-square-foot yard.
A person can't enter the Rezko lot from the street--but Obama's groundskeeper gets in through the gate that opens from Obama's lot.
"Right now my landscaper who comes and does all my work, I have asked him to go ahead and mow the lawn on the other side," Obama said.
"My intention was to have the landscaper figure out some pro-rata cost for that mowing and send that bill to Rezko," Obama said. "I just haven't had time to do it."
A-HA!! So Obama buys a part of "his friend's" lot for more than market rates!! And Obama pays for Rezko's gardener!! That's gotta mean something!! You just know that lot will never be built on so Obama will always be able to look at those trees!! Right??
The bill for the new fence has yet to be paid, according to Advance President Raymond Oshana and Michael Sreenan, an attorney who represented the Rezkos in transactions pertaining to the fence and garden lot.
That may be because Tony Rezko is embroiled in debt and business difficulties as well as legal trouble. The federal charges against Rezko include allegations that he defrauded a lender to keep one business venture afloat.
The garden lot may yet be developed.
Sreenan and a Rezko company accountant in October formed a corporation that Sreenan said will try to purchase the lot from Rita Rezko and build there.
While no sale has taken place, "We're hoping to move ahead on development," Sreenan said.
It was premature to discuss details, Sreenan said, but one thing was sure about this potential venture: "It will be entirely separate from Mr. Rezko."
BIG, HUGE, MASSIVE Obama scandal!!
OMG!! The Chicago Tribune has a BIG HUGE story on Barack Obama's SECRET real estate deal!! Just look at this!!
When Sen. Barack Obama decided to buy a stately $1.65 million home last year on Chicago's South Side, Antoin "Tony" Rezko and his wife wasted no time. The same day the Obamas closed on the house, the Rezkos closed on the purchase of the adjoining vacant lot, which once was the estate's lush side yard.
In normal circumstances, the two real estate transactions probably wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. There is, after all, nothing illegal or untoward about an aggressive developer buying hot property next door to a rising political star.
But these are not normal times for either Obama or Rezko, two longtime friends whose fortunes have taken sharp turns in opposite directions.
Illinois' junior U.S. senator has become a political star, riding a surge of popularity that has made him a top potential candidate for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination.
Rezko, meanwhile, has achieved notoriety of a different sort. In October, he pleaded not guilty to federal charges involving pay-to-play allegations that surround Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich's administration.
Now the hows and whys of a real estate deal, and a train of subsequent transactions, are raising questions about the relationship between the two men, as Obama struggles to distance himself from Rezko, and Rezko strives to stay out of prison.
WOW!! That's scary!! Give me more!!
Over the last 16 months, as they jointly worked to improve their side-by-side properties, the two men entered an ongoing series of personal financial arrangements. Because Rezko was widely reported to be under federal grand jury scrutiny, Obama said he was careful to ensure their transactions were ethical and proper.
"My working assumption was that as long as I operated in an open, up-front fashion, and all the T's were crossed and I's were dotted, that it wouldn't be an issue," Obama said. "If it was a neighbor I didn't know at all, would I have behaved any differently? I felt like the answer was no."
Yeah, I just bet 'youse guys' was open and up-front!! Tell me more!!
Obama added: "Tony has been a supporter of mine since my first race for state Senate."
And he said: "I haven't been involved with him in any legislative work whatsoever or any government activities of any sort."
For years, it's been Rezko's practice to befriend up-and-coming political figures, from Blagojevich to the godson of former County Board President John Stroger. Rezko often weaves those political friendships into business ventures.
Rezko first reached out to Obama in about 1990 when the future senator made headlines as the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. Rezko and two real estate partners called out of the blue to offer a job building inner-city homes.
"I said no, but I remained friendly with all three of them," Obama said. "All three of them remained great contributors of mine."
Over the years Rezko and Obama shared lunch "once or twice a year, although that's just an estimate," the senator said. As couples, the Rezkos and Obamas dined perhaps "two to four times ... in the time that I've known him."
One of Illinois' most prominent local Democratic fundraisers, Rezko and his companies donated at least $8,000 to Obama's state Senate campaigns and $11,500 to Obama's federal fund. (Obama has said he will divest those federal donations.) Rezko also hosted a 2003 event to boost Obama's campaign fund.
A-HA!! I KNEW IT!! Obama never took a job with his "friend"!! And, AND, Obama is giving back all the money Rezko donated since being indicted three weeks ago!! What's more, they had dinner together!! More, tell me MORE!!
Obama and his wife were already flush with success when they went house hunting last year. Their combined income--bolstered by payments for his best-selling autobiography and advances for future books--topped $1.67 million. His wife, Michelle, had recently been promoted to a $316,962-a-year position as vice president at the University of Chicago Hospitals.
They were drawn to a 96-year-old Georgian revival home that has four fireplaces, glass-door bookcases fashioned from Honduran mahogany, and a 1,000-bottle wine cellar, according to real estate listings and an interview. The house and the adjoining yard--which is surveyed as a separate lot--are rimmed by 12-foot-tall evergreens.
In the past, the two lots had been sold as a single estate. But in 2005, the owners listed the two parcels for sale separately.
Obama said his family's real estate broker brought the house to his wife's attention. He said he discussed the house with Rezko but isn't sure how Rezko began pursuing the adjacent lot. But Obama raised the possibility that he was the first to bring the lot to Rezko's attention.
"I don't recall exactly what our conversations were or where I first learned, and I am not clear what the circumstances were where he made a decision that he was interested in the property," Obama said.
"I may have mentioned to him the name of [a developer and] he may at that point have contacted that person. I'm not clear about that," Obama said.
The neighborhood wasn't new to Rezko, whose companies had purchased numerous South Side properties.
Obama said he and Rezko had no prior agreement about Rezko's plans for the garden parcel.
"My understanding was that he was going to develop it," Obama said.
It was "already a stretch" to buy the house, Obama said, so the vacant lot was not affordable for his family.
RIGHT!! So Obama wants to buy a $1.65 Million home with the $1.67 Million he and his wife have!! But they can't afford the other parcel!! So Obama tells his friend he is buying a house, probably at one of their "dinners" they are always having, but HE CAN'T REMEMBER those conversations!! You know, his "friend" who just happens to be a "real estate developer" and owner of other properties in the same neighborhood!! I'm smelling RAT!! C'mon Tribune, spill it!!
The Obamas bought the house in June 2005 for $1.65 million--some $300,000 less than the asking price--and secured a $1.32 million mortgage from Northern Trust.
Rezko's wife, Rita, bought the adjoining lot the same day, paying the full $625,000 asking price with the help of a $500,000 mortgage from Mutual Bank of Harvey. The Rezkos declined to comment for this article.
The Obamas wanted a fence between the parcels. They hired an attorney and architects within a month of their purchase to seek guidance about the fence from the Commission on Chicago Landmarks.
Michelle Obama had served on the commission from 1998 to March 2005, and she contacted the staff about the fence. On July 15, 2005, a city landmarks deputy commissioner, Brian Goeken, sent a long e-mail to Michelle Obama saying he had gone out one evening to look at the house. He listed suggestions for obtaining a permit for the fence.
Goeken declined to comment for this article.
Over the next six months, the Obamas' architect had several conversations with city officials about whether to relocate portions of the existing fence or build a new, compatible one.
Architect Wil Taubert said in an interview that he dealt only with the Obamas.
"I knew somebody owned the corner but I never asked who it was," Taubert said.
Though the Obamas laid the groundwork, Rezko agreed to build and pay for the $14,000 fence that runs along their property line.
Obama said Rezko paid for the fence because a city ordinance compelled Rezko to fence the line between his vacant lot and their house. He added that both men agreed there were broader reasons for a fence.
"I had had a conversation with him in which I indicated that it probably was important for us to have a separation of the properties because the property was all one piece, it wasn't really demarcated, and I did think that it was important for there not to be any perception whatsoever that somehow I was having any use of their property," Obama said.
"Partly because Michelle had already been on Landmarks, partly because we're well-known neighbors ... I felt it was important to make sure that all the T's were crossed and I's were dotted in terms of compliance with landmarks," he said. "I thought it would be embarrassing if somehow whatever fence was erected didn't comply."
Obama said he funded the architectural and legal work because "if somebody walked by, they would assume that it was on my property and so it was important from my perspective that it be done right."
A wrought-iron fence separates a 7,500-square-foot lot owned by businessman and political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko from the home of U.S. Sen. Barack Obama and his family.
Oooooooo, so the city required Obama's "friend" build a fence that Obama wanted to avoid any hint that Obama was getting some sort of quid pro quo, and Obama paid for the architectual drawings!! And it had to fit the Historic District commissions rules!! Where Michelle Obama once worked!! Uh, well, uh. There must be more. I WANT MORE!!
To preserve the aesthetic balance, Obama also wanted to put some space between his house and the proposed fence, so he personally asked Tony Rezko if they would sell a portion of their lot without restricting their ability to build in the future.
"I told them if you can spare another 5 or 10 feet, I'd be happy to purchase it from you," Obama said. "They came back and said they could sell us up to 10 feet."
Using a standard formula, Obama's appraiser estimated the 1,500-square-foot portion at a market value of $40,500.
But Obama felt it would be fair to pay the Rezkos $104,500, or a sixth of their original $625,000 purchase price, because he was acquiring a sixth of their land. The sale closed in January 2006.
That month, the fabricator hired by Rezko began building the fence, which sits immediately on top of the property line. Five months later, in May, Advance Welding & Construction sent one of Rezko's companies a $14,300 invoice that stated, "All work is completed."
Obama said he and his family have never used the Rezko yard--even for a brief picnic or Frisbee game. But Obama said he pays his landscaper to mow Rezko's 7,500-square-foot yard.
A person can't enter the Rezko lot from the street--but Obama's groundskeeper gets in through the gate that opens from Obama's lot.
"Right now my landscaper who comes and does all my work, I have asked him to go ahead and mow the lawn on the other side," Obama said.
"My intention was to have the landscaper figure out some pro-rata cost for that mowing and send that bill to Rezko," Obama said. "I just haven't had time to do it."
A-HA!! So Obama buys a part of "his friend's" lot for more than market rates!! And Obama pays for Rezko's gardener!! That's gotta mean something!! You just know that lot will never be built on so Obama will always be able to look at those trees!! Right??
The bill for the new fence has yet to be paid, according to Advance President Raymond Oshana and Michael Sreenan, an attorney who represented the Rezkos in transactions pertaining to the fence and garden lot.
That may be because Tony Rezko is embroiled in debt and business difficulties as well as legal trouble. The federal charges against Rezko include allegations that he defrauded a lender to keep one business venture afloat.
The garden lot may yet be developed.
Sreenan and a Rezko company accountant in October formed a corporation that Sreenan said will try to purchase the lot from Rita Rezko and build there.
While no sale has taken place, "We're hoping to move ahead on development," Sreenan said.
It was premature to discuss details, Sreenan said, but one thing was sure about this potential venture: "It will be entirely separate from Mr. Rezko."
Rezko has gotten more than one politician in trouble here.
This article was the 1st I came across
This article was the 1st I came across
Thanks, I/O.
I read that article pretty carefully, and I admit to being dense, but I don't get it I guess.
McCain who i once wouldn't have minded being president is to gullible and to old.
Rudy this asshole was hated in New York and 9/11 saved his ass just like it saved GWBush when 80 percent of american idiots favored him.
Hillary? voted for the war and will never win in the south. south says she has big ankles. The only way i could ever vote for her is because of her husband but his love fest with Bush Sr is a huge red flag.
Obama to raw and to black. The black part will never win in the South. Progressive states would give him a chance. His middle name alone will get gullible people not to vote for him. No shot. A classy man named Ford couldn't win in the south how can Barrick
Kerry. If you can't deliver the line you can't serve the time. College grades even lower than Bush. No thankyou.
Liberman give me a break. this power hungry prick cost Gore to many votes
Gore maybe but his selection of Liberman was stupid. Need someone bright.
Powell another guy who would not stand up when if anyone could have, he could have. Now he will but its to late. He may possible be one black that can win a state in the south. Might even have the best chance but will never win the primaries. Could be a solid VP candidate which could possible make me vote republican
Biden i like joe. Good solid American who actually has a plan for Iraq. Cares about the country. Possible could win a state in the south. Not sure if he has the balls to fight back hard enough when he gets swift boated. Money could be a huge problem.
Dean Can't win. His chant after Iowa
has gotten all the simpletons to think he is a lunatic. Fox news at its finest. One of the only guys who has called it right from the beginning but that cheer of joy killed him with the clueless people.
So in closing i chose Elliot Spritzer. Has super sized balls and goes after those wall street crooks all the time. gonna be Gov of NY but he should pass on that and go for it all. If this doesn't work i will settle With Smuph for president and Chadman for vice in a matchup against Weasal for Pres with and DTB as vice. Smurph is the only guy who understands and can handle weasel. I still can't figure out what he talks about. Chadman is the only one with the patience to handle DTB aka Fox News source. Chadman patience can handle all the questions about the blowjob that the rest of us put behind us. Djv can handle the debates. Need someone i think is a kind fair man and knows how to put partisan stuff behind him. Oh as a third party Maverick and Me. I would have sat out and put Mr Christo in my place but that is legally impossible. even tho a third party has no shot we will strengthen it by sticking our necks out. Hold off donations please.
Rudy this asshole was hated in New York and 9/11 saved his ass just like it saved GWBush when 80 percent of american idiots favored him.
Hillary? voted for the war and will never win in the south. south says she has big ankles. The only way i could ever vote for her is because of her husband but his love fest with Bush Sr is a huge red flag.
Obama to raw and to black. The black part will never win in the South. Progressive states would give him a chance. His middle name alone will get gullible people not to vote for him. No shot. A classy man named Ford couldn't win in the south how can Barrick
Kerry. If you can't deliver the line you can't serve the time. College grades even lower than Bush. No thankyou.
Liberman give me a break. this power hungry prick cost Gore to many votes
Gore maybe but his selection of Liberman was stupid. Need someone bright.
Powell another guy who would not stand up when if anyone could have, he could have. Now he will but its to late. He may possible be one black that can win a state in the south. Might even have the best chance but will never win the primaries. Could be a solid VP candidate which could possible make me vote republican
Biden i like joe. Good solid American who actually has a plan for Iraq. Cares about the country. Possible could win a state in the south. Not sure if he has the balls to fight back hard enough when he gets swift boated. Money could be a huge problem.
Dean Can't win. His chant after Iowa
has gotten all the simpletons to think he is a lunatic. Fox news at its finest. One of the only guys who has called it right from the beginning but that cheer of joy killed him with the clueless people.
So in closing i chose Elliot Spritzer. Has super sized balls and goes after those wall street crooks all the time. gonna be Gov of NY but he should pass on that and go for it all. If this doesn't work i will settle With Smuph for president and Chadman for vice in a matchup against Weasal for Pres with and DTB as vice. Smurph is the only guy who understands and can handle weasel. I still can't figure out what he talks about. Chadman is the only one with the patience to handle DTB aka Fox News source. Chadman patience can handle all the questions about the blowjob that the rest of us put behind us. Djv can handle the debates. Need someone i think is a kind fair man and knows how to put partisan stuff behind him. Oh as a third party Maverick and Me. I would have sat out and put Mr Christo in my place but that is legally impossible. even tho a third party has no shot we will strengthen it by sticking our necks out. Hold off donations please.
:scared I'm likeable? This is quite fantastic news. You are quite likeable as well, Hippo. I think you need to post more often around here. We need the Colorado 'perspective'. Too much Kentucky, not enough Colorado.
As for the *real* president, I'm all for Hillary - so long as Wes Clark is vp. ...Is that combination possible?
Obama way overrated. It's like everyone loves him just because someone told them to love him. He's the Paris Hilton of politics.
No Republican should win in 2008. A statement must be made - when a party lets someone as bad as Bush-Cheney do such an awful job for this long, then that party must be punished. Otherwise the GOP wouldn't have learned to better themselves. No matter who it is, no Republican should win the next election.
Wesley Clarke? i knew i left someone out. I like him to. Would vote for him. Biden Clarke. You have to have a military man on that ticket cause the one thing republicans do best is use the fear card. Its all they have left. Oh and the economy until you read the fine lines.
Come on man, the hegemony is great! See, that's why you always rank low on popularity polls, Kosar - you always diss the hegemony. You castrate good blokes like Arrow, who only want to help people and rebuild Katrina houses, you bash the hegemony, you praise Stalin but diss Lennon (John), and you don't believe in saving the manatees in your local area. You go on and on infusing logic into Iraq debates - which only serves to deplete the phony patriotism needed to win this great conflict. .....Goddamn, your just so unlikeable.
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Reminds me of Phyllis Diller, George Hamilton and those Gabor sisters. WTF did any of them do to become famous? They were famous because they were famous. Pisses me off. Makes me bitter.
