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One for the archives :0074

This is so relevant to this forum--you can go in any thread and see same people resorting to same tactics to cop out on everything they don't have answer to or can not comprehend.

The last refuge of a liberal


By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, August 27, 2010

Liberalism under siege is an ugly sight indeed. Just yesterday it was all hope and change and returning power to the people. But the people have proved so disappointing. Their recalcitrance has, in only 19 months, turned the predicted 40-year liberal ascendancy (James Carville) into a full retreat.

Ah, the people, the little people, the small-town people, the "bitter" people, as Barack Obama in an unguarded moment once memorably called them, clinging "to guns or religion or" -- this part is less remembered -- "antipathy toward people who aren't like them."
That's a polite way of saying: clinging to bigotry. And promiscuous charges of bigotry are precisely how our current rulers and their vast media auxiliary react to an obstreperous citizenry that insists on incorrect thinking.
-- Resistance to the vast expansion of government power, intrusiveness and debt, as represented by the Tea Party movement? Why, racist resentment toward a black president.
-- Disgust and alarm with the federal government's unwillingness to curb illegal immigration, as crystallized in the Arizona law? Nativism.
-- Opposition to the most radical redefinition of marriage in human history, as expressed in Proposition 8 in California? Homophobia.
-- Opposition to a 15-story Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero? Islamophobia.
Now we know why the country has become "ungovernable," last year's excuse for the Democrats' failure of governance:

Who can possibly govern a nation of racist, nativist, homophobic Islamophobes?

Note what connects these issues. In every one, liberals have lost the argument in the court of public opinion. Majorities -- often lopsided majorities -- oppose President Obama's social-democratic agenda (e.g., the stimulus, Obamacare), support the Arizona law, oppose gay marriage and reject a mosque near Ground Zero.
What's a liberal to do? Pull out the bigotry charge, the trump that preempts debate and gives no credit to the seriousness and substance of the contrary argument. The most venerable of these trumps is, of course, the race card. When the Tea Party arose, a spontaneous, leaderless and perfectly natural (and traditionally American) reaction to the vast expansion of government intrinsic to the president's proudly proclaimed transformational agenda, the liberal commentariat cast it as a mob of angry white yahoos disguising their antipathy to a black president by cleverly speaking in economic terms.
Then came Arizona and S.B. 1070. It seems impossible for the left to believe that people of good will could hold that: (a) illegal immigration should be illegal, (b) the federal government should not hold border enforcement hostage to comprehensive reform, i.e., amnesty, (c) every country has the right to determine the composition of its immigrant population.

As for Proposition 8, is it so hard to see why people might believe that a single judge overturning the will of 7 million voters is an affront to democracy?

And that seeing merit in retaining the structure of the most ancient and fundamental of all social institutions is something other than an alleged hatred of gays -- particularly since the opposite-gender requirement has characterized virtually every society in all the millennia until just a few years ago?
And now the mosque near Ground Zero. The intelligentsia is near unanimous that the only possible grounds for opposition is bigotry toward Muslims. This smug attribution of bigotry to two-thirds of the population hinges on the insistence on a complete lack of connection between Islam and radical Islam, a proposition that dovetails perfectly with the Obama administration's pretense that we are at war with nothing more than "violent extremists" of inscrutable motive and indiscernible belief. Those who reject this as both ridiculous and politically correct (an admitted redundancy) are declared Islamophobes, the ad hominem du jour.
It is a measure of the corruption of liberal thought and the collapse of its self-confidence that, finding itself so widely repudiated, it resorts reflexively to the cheapest race-baiting (in a colorful variety of forms). Indeed, how can one reason with a nation of pitchfork-wielding mobs brimming with "antipathy toward people who aren't like them" -- blacks, Hispanics, gays and Muslims -- a nation that is, as Michelle Obama once put it succinctly, "just downright mean"?

The Democrats are going to get beaten badly in November. Not just because the economy is ailing. And not just because Obama over-read his mandate in governing too far left. But because a comeuppance is due the arrogant elites whose undisguised contempt for the great unwashed prevents them from conceding a modicum of serious thought to those who dare oppose them.
 

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Wow. Just wow. I have so much to say about this article (as most from Krauthammer), but no time to devote right now. Suffice it to say that this is another example of a rich white man in this country complaining about many issues that his belief system is specifically rooted in.

"I'm not racist, BUT..."

"I'm not a Xenophobe, BUT..."

"I am a firm believer in the constitution, BUT..."

"I'm not a bigot, BUT..."

"I'm not a homophobe, BUT..."

I'm glad you posted this diatribe from your hero, Wayne. Because I will gladly go after each and every point on this as I get time. It's just embarrassing when a man like this pretends he is NOT all of the things that he clearly is in his words, actions, and belief system. It's always a warning sign to me when someone has to point out what they AREN'T, to try to make a point. Clearly, they must feel the accusations are worthy of examination and defense... with good reason, in this case, IMO.
 

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Wow. Just wow. I have so much to say about this article (as most from Krauthammer), but no time to devote right now. Suffice it to say that this is another example of a rich white man in this country complaining about many issues that his belief system is specifically rooted in.

"I'm not racist, BUT..."

"I'm not a Xenophobe, BUT..."

"I am a firm believer in the constitution, BUT..."

"I'm not a bigot, BUT..."

"I'm not a homophobe, BUT..."

I'm glad you posted this diatribe from your hero, Wayne. Because I will gladly go after each and every point on this as I get time. It's just embarrassing when a man like this pretends he is NOT all of the things that he clearly is in his words, actions, and belief system. It's always a warning sign to me when someone has to point out what they AREN'T, to try to make a point. Clearly, they must feel the accusations are worthy of examination and defense... with good reason, in this case, IMO.

I certainly didn't see what you are channeling Chad.

The answers which 'Hammer has given are what Pelosi and her gang has thrown out, any opposition to the Socialist Agenda is deemed Racist,Homophobic, or Xenophobic.

I guess the 1st A is only for Obama supporters ?
 

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I'm extremely hung over this morning, Illum. Can you put in simple terms what your question of me is? I get the gist, but want to respond properly.
 

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In "Hammers column I did not see any examples of bigotry, homphobia or xenophobia. In todays social and political climate it is in fashion for Nancy and her minions to throw out such aspersions when anyone doesn't agree with her agenda.

Look at what the MIAC Report has attempted to do to Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin supporters.

Talk about mislableing and aggressive charges directed at American Citizens !

Proof: Glenn Beck, Ron Paul supporters terrorists. Horowitz, Ron Paul connection with Islamofascists


I really, really do not want to whip a dead donkey, but one of the commenters regarding http://www.redpills.org/?p=505 entitled, ?Glenn Beck:Ron Paul supporters terrorists. Horowitz: Ron Paul connection with Islamofascists?, refuses to accept the fact that Beck attempted to tie in the Ron Paul campaign with terrorism. I have spent too much time trying to convince William of that fact (see comments for the above post) already. Yet William insists he is a Ron Paul supporter and that ??no i don?t see where he {Beck} attacks ron paul or supportsers [sic] thats all i?m saying, the whole reason for the segment is the facts??. Red Pills is about the truth and the facts, so I will make one last attempt to assist William and those of similar ilk take the red pill. This is also a good Glenn Beck modus operandi review.
Well William, as of this post (11/18@19:19 MST) there have been 1,483 comments to the original youtube video (please see http://www.redpills.org/?p=505 if you would like to view the video). It should communicate something that the video has a one star rating and at least one commenter implored: ?Can I vote this zero stars?? Obviously I did not read all the comments but by the contents of the sampling I present below and the one star rating, there can be little doubt that most view the performance of Beck and his cohorts with disdain.
A few of the comments are:
PaulPresident: CNN is obviously involved in some political tactic to discredit Ron Paul. They are maintaining a good track record for lies and slander. I would not trust anything CNN tells me. CNN news is drive-by media at it?s finest. Let?s get back to the alien cover-up boys!
LibertyBellUSA: Glenn Beck is a master, he takes a bunch of true statement and then twists them in is own perverted vision. Our fathers payed for our rights with their blood, we would dishonor our father and laws and our maker, if we allow people to lose freedom and human rights.
robbaggott: I am English and don,t know much about this guy Beck so maybe you can help me out.WTF is this fascist piece of shit doing on your television.Why do you tolerate this crap.I criticise my own media but we have nothing like this shit.Guys a wanker!
AMERICANSTEW5: Neo-Con Glenn Beck should be arrested and charged with hate speech. His hateful speech is very divisive to American patriots and US Constitution. Dr. Ron Paul is truly our only hope, for survival. Neocon communist are destroying American.
samnabag: Ron Paul Revolution means exactly that. If anyone has looked into Ron Paul and what he wants to do with this failing nation, you will know that he?s focusing on reshaping America to how this country used to be. Thus, a revolution. It?s a peaceful revolution as well.
MooseOfReason: This November5th was about V for Vendetta, right? Without the movie, I don?t think supporters would?ve known about Bonfire Night. And it wasn?t about getting rid of government, it was about standing up to it. Glenn?s brainless.
And it goes on like that.
Now I will be (least I hope I would be) one of the first to agree that just because (nearly) everyone is agreeing with you, that doesn?t make you (or the group) correct. Obviously millions can be wrong, and a few be correct, e.g., earth flat, earth center of universe, Beck is not a demagogue, Horowitz is not a moron, etc. Thus just because there are numbers on my side regarding Beck et. al., that is not conclusive. So let?s look at the original video in which William finds no reason to believe that Beck is attacking Ron Paul supporters.
I have taken the time to listen to the damn video for a fourth time and have abstracted the text of same, the time it occurred in the video, and who stated it. Maybe there is a transcription of the entire video on-line somewhere, which would be better than my interpretation, but here is what I found in the video.
0:18 ? (Beck): there is a growing domestic threat to the constitution
0:47 ? (Beck): there are enemies among us. The physical threat is developing domestically as well
0:53 ? (Beck): and this is how I got there. Ron Paul raised $4.3 million
1:02 ? (Beck): his (Paul?s) supporters raised the money on Nov. 5 to commemorate Guy Fawkes
1:07 ? (Beck): this guy (Guy Fawkes) was a British terrorist?
1:12 ? (Beck): Paul?s supporters called the donations, ?a money bomb?
1:30 ? (Beck): the vast majority of Paul?s supporters take the metaphor as it should as a rally cry for the support of a political shift
1:38 ? (Beck): it?s not the way I would go, tying in my campaign with a historical terrorist attack
1:44 ? (Beck): I?m a libertarian at heart, I get it, raise money any way you want as long as you are not blowing other people up
1:54 - (Beck): but America, this is what you need to know tonight, Ron Paul supporters are tapping into something very real ? the rising tide of disenfranchisement with our government and it?s coming from all sides of the political spectrum
2:20 ? (Beck): if fringe elements take the disenfranchisement and turn it into violence then we endanger the freedoms we are all supposedly fighting for
2:52 ? (Beck): Guy Fawkes is an old time Timothy McVeigh
3:31 ? (Beck): he (Guy Fawkes) felt that no one was listening to him and that is how he ties in with today, he felt the government would not respond to him
3:46 ? (Beck asking Sandys): don?t you sense that this is what is happening today in America and Great Britain
4:01 ? (Sandys): Governments are promising a lot of thing and they are not delivering on them but no one is asking the people what they want, nobody cares
4:42 ? (Horowitz): (goes on a rant about the old left, new left, secular left, Muslim radicals, and Democratic party leadership have fueled the fires of disenfranchisement)
5:40 ? (Beck): it?s not just the left this time David (Horowitz) it?s also the right, and Ron Paul supporters are also the right
6:09 ? (Horowitz): you?re right (of Beck) there is a strain of isolationism and anarchy in the American tradition which Ron Paul is tapping into. I think it is very significant that he chose Guy Fawkes as an image. There are unfortunately many libertarian web sites which unfortunately are indistinguishable from the anti-American left these days, LewRockwell.com and others like that, totally in bed with the Islamofascists and turn against this country.
6:56 ? (Beck): America and Great Britain are being sold out as well, there is something just beneath the surface which is just washing everything away
7:41 ? (Sandys): ?there is a back lash to the Iraq war and what our governments have been telling us, there is a total loss of traditional values for continuing and finishing what we started
8:00 ? (Beck): where am I wrong? The Ron Paul revolution is meant as a catchy slogan but I fear some of his fringe supporters are taking the word revolution to literally.
William, here?s the sequence of the above statements and what they allude to, or out right state:
  1. Growing domestic threat to the Constitution
  2. Physical threat is developing domestically
  3. (Paul?s) supporters raised the money on Nov. 5 to commemorate Guy Fawkes {half truth at best, I gave to help make a media event, I didn?t and don?t give a rats rear re: Guy Fawkes}
  4. (Guy Fawkes) was a British terrorist {starting to see the connection now William?}
  5. Paul?s supporters called the donations, ?a money bomb? {some did, not Ron Paul himself, this was the third ?money bomb? and a fourth was conducted on Veterans day, another piece which Beck is trying to put together to tie Ron Paul with Guy Fawkes with terrorism?as I said}
  6. the vast majority of Paul?s supporters take the metaphor as it should as a rally cry for the support of a political shift {this was said just for affect and so Beck could claim plausible deniability, well done, Beck?s a master.}
  7. (I wouldn?t tie) in my campaign with a historical terrorist attack {Beck brings us back to his propaganda line and what Ron Paul is supposedly doing (which is a lie).}
  8. I?m a libertarian at heart, I get it, raise money any way you want as long as you are not blowing other people up {no one in the Ron Paul campaign is talking about blowing anything up..we want to get out of Iraq and quit blowing things up! Beck is not libertarian at heart, puts that in so you will identify with him and to discredit libertarians.}
  9. Ron Paul supporters are tapping into something very real ? the rising tide of disenfranchisement with our government and it?s coming from all sides of the political spectrum {this is an asinine statement, if we weren?t disenfranchised then no one would be rallying around Ron Paul. Coming from all sides of the political spectrum means Paul?s message has wide appeal?doh? ? isn?t that what you strive for in a political campaign? Except this time Dr. Paul is sincere?not just another politician. Here Beck is also trying to tie Paul?s campaign in with the (far) left as well as right.}
  10. if fringe elements take the disenfranchisement and turn it into violence then we endanger the freedoms we are all supposedly fighting for {Beck?s straw man. What?s this got to do with Ron Paul?}
  11. Guy Fawkes is an old time Timothy McVeigh {brings us back to domestic terrorism and supposedly someone disenfranchised. What?s this got to do with Ron Paul?}
  12. he (Guy Fawkes) felt the government would not respond to him {ah ha, disenfranchisement. So if you disagree with the status quo or the party in power you are disenfranchised and a terrorist? Close, so very close to making that analogy.}
  13. don?t you sense that this is what is happening today in America and Great Britain {So now we have who, what, why, and when?with the how (blowing up something) assumed by Beck?s statements.}
  14. Horowitz goes on a rant about the old left, new left, secular left, Muslim radicals, and Democratic party leadership have fueled the fires of disenfranchisement {Beck has Horowitz make the tie in with Islamofascism.}
  15. Beck says, it?s not just the left this time David (Horowitz) it?s also the right, and Ron Paul supporters are also the right {There it is, William. Beck agrees with Horowitz and broadens the category from the left, Muslim radical, Democratic party leadership ? and Ron Paul supporters (Beck did not say some, he did not say fringe, he did not say Ron Paul doesn?t support Muslim radicals, etc.) Ron Paul supporters. You?re wrong William.}
  16. Horowitz seals the deal: you?re (Beck) right, there is a strain of isolationism and anarchy in the American tradition which Ron Paul is tapping into. I think it is very significant that he chose Guy Fawkes as an image. There are unfortunately many libertarian web sites which unfortunately are indistinguishable from the anti-American left these days, LewRockwell.com and others like that, totally in bed with the Islamofascists and turn against this country. {HOROWITZ IS A MORON. Ron Paul did not choose Guy Fawkes as an image. Horowitz ties in libertarians with Islamofascists. Hell, anyone who disagrees with the neo-Jacobins / neocons. AND we are turning against this country! MY GAWD PEOPLE! Horowitz says the very group that wants to reinstate the Constitution is turning against this country? HOROWITZ YOU HAVE SOLD YOUR SOUL, YOU BASTARD!}
  17. The Ron Paul revolution is meant as a catchy slogan but I fear some of his fringe supporters are taking the word revolution to literally {Beck is totally in bed with Horowitz.}
William, if you write another comment stating that you don?t see where Beck is attacking Ron Paul or his supporters, I will not dignify it by posting it on Red Pills and treat you as a troll. You have made your statement, whether it was sincere or not I cannot know. But you now have been shown your error. So I will not dignify a repeat.
I would hope you now see Beck et. al. for what they are. It took me awhile, but I finally wised up. This is one of the reasons I thought I should spend the time with you regarding Beck.
Go and sin no more.
 

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While we are the topic of Glenda Becky ! :mj07:

I despise this MKULTRA asshat !

But let me ask you and everyone this question about the 1ST A?

He is holding is Collective Dick Dance on the 28th at the Lincolnd Memorial and this has really pissed off the Civil Rights Groups because apparently Aug28 of any year :shrug: is some how reserved for MLK ?

At the same time there is this Gallactic DOTFA going on in NYC about the Muslim Community (Te Center, and if you protest it, you are a bigot, racist, xenophobe?

So what do we have here? Glenda can't use his 1st A rights, but that swindler Sharpton can march thru DC voicing his? Protestors or the opposition need to be investigated according to the Speaker of the House, but she really doesn't give a fuck about where the $100 + MILLION comes from to build the thing? :facepalm:

I wonder if there are aby NYC landmarks that will obstruct the Muslim Community Centers View of the East that might accidentally get demolished? Larry Silverstein will some how be involved in that, just the same as Building 7 went down in a nice convient pile.
 

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To put it simply, I think that many in this country that disagree with actions taken by the Obama administration subscribe to thoughts and theories that Krauthammer (and others) tries to distance himself from. He doesn't deal with the assessments, he just says that all of them are irrational in all cases, and are not worthy of discussion. Which is my point - he argues that the claims are baseless and incorrect, without allowing that any of them can have any value and substance. He ridicules the opposition for using the broad paintbrush, while doing the very same thing in response (which of course is not a response at all).

And so it goes...
 

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Henry VI (Part 2) the play by William Shakespeare

Henry VI (Part 2) the play by William Shakespeare

Henry VI (Part 2) the play by William Shakespeare

Famous Quotes / Quotations
The quotes from
King Henry VI are amongst Shakespeare's most famous including 'The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers'. Details of this famous quote follows, complete with information regarding the Act and the Scene, allowing a quick reference to the section of the play that these quotations can be found in. Please click here for the full text of the script of the play.

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers". - (Act IV, Scene II).

"Small things make base men proud". - (Act IV, Scene I).


History
The series of Henry VI plays revolve around the War of the Roses which lasted from 1455 to 1485.The war was fought between two branches of the Plantagenet family, the Houses of Lancaster and York. The War of the Roses were named after the emblems of the parties, the white rose of York and the red rose of Lancaster.
House of Lancaster
Henry IV ("Bolingbroke," son of the Duke of Lancaster), 1399-1413.
Henry V (son of Henry IV), 1413-1422.
Henry VI (son of Henry V, deposed), 1422-1471.
House of York:
Edward IV (son of duke of York), 1461-1483.
Edward V (son of Edward IV), 1483.
Richard III ("Crookback," brother of Edward IV) 1483-1485.
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There should be an addendum to this quote and add Politicians and Talking Heads :shrug: :0008
 

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Make sure when you respond you do it inyour usual fashion, take shots at me, my kids...

It's always an easy fallback when you think of anything else to say. Are you going to threaten me again? You have me shaking like a hound dog shitting peach pits Fluffer.
 

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Dont worry DTBlackgumby

change is coming for the neocon right wing
KKK tea baggers .
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If you really think about it.

its exactly the same thing as the people sucking the goverment tit.

She bids herself out like a ho.

taking advantage of every money gig she can get

whats the differance except the scale. The welfare mom with 3 kids gets her 96 bucks a week

A lear jet of 60 or more :142smilie

fawk me

no fawk you




:142smilie
 
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WTF does Palin and a plane have to do with this thread--

If your clueless about topic why don't you get in threads like this --where your in your comfort zone--with like minded individuals

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415977


or is this huffers new stratagy-- if you can't cover it with above example in Krauts article--just try and change the subject-
-your about this close {} to stepping into Tramps zero status.
 
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WTF does Palin and a plane have to do with this thread--

or is this huffers new stratagy-- if you can't cover it with above example in Krauts article--just try and change the subject-
-your about this close {} to stepping into Tramps zero status.
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Its Palin sucking the taxpayers tit

Dont you see it ?

I think it is relevant as hell.

After all the neocons are going to run her out as President material in 2012

You should have alot to be thankful for if she is elected President and Newt as VP

what a pair they will make
 

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Its Palin sucking the taxpayers tit

Dont you see it ?

I think it is relevant as hell.

After all the neocons are going to run her out as President material in 2012

You should have alot to be thankful for if she is elected President and Newt as VP
what a pair they will make

HOLD ME I'M SCARED :scared
 

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Doggie, just because some opportunist asshat says something it doesn't mean it to be true. Take for instance the conservative aka opportunist party's claim the stimulist isnt working. When they say this are they talking about the stimulist dollars that went over to Iraq when they had controll? If so then i see their point clearly. The stimulist dollars that have been spent in this country are saving thousands of jobs and creating thousands of others. Dogshit, this asshat who is a conservative aka opportunist, needs to make that point more clearly.
 

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A neo conservative

how could we guess that this guy would be
a DTBlackgumby hero

what a asswipe :)
 
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Everytime I see doggie post, I always picture the fat ass in this scene.

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