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WASHINGTON -- Lost between the Foley tsunami and the Woodward hurricane is the storm that began the great Republican collapse of 2006. It was only a few weeks ago that the Republicans were clawing their way back to contention for the November election, their prospects revived by the president's strong speeches on terrorism around the 9/11 anniversary, the landmark legislation on treating and trying captured terrorists, and a serendipitous fall in gas prices.

Then came the momentum stopper, the leaked National Intelligence Estimate that was trumpeted as definitive evidence that the war in Iraq had made terrorism worse. Foley's folly and Woodward's history have now overwhelmed that story, but it will remain an unrebutted charge long after Foley is forgotten and Woodward is remaindered. It demands debunking.



U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (R) speaks as Iraq Prime Minister Nur al-Maliki (L) looks on at the fortified Green Zone in Baghdad October 5, 2006. Rice flew into Baghdad on Thursday for a surprise visit to press Iraqi leaders to resolve their differences and ease raging sectarian violence that has killed thousands. REUTERS/Iraq Government/Handout (IRAQ) The question posed -- does the Iraq War increase or decrease the world supply of jihadists? -- is itself an exercise in counting angels on the head of a pin. Any answer would require a complex calculation involving dozens of unmeasurable factors, as well as constructing a complete alternate history of the world had the U.S. invasion of 2003 not happened.

Ah, but those seers in the U.S. ``intelligence community,'' speaking through a leaked National Intelligence Estimate -- the most famous previous NIE, mind you, concluded that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, slam dunk -- have peered deep into the hypothetical past and found the answer. As spun by Iraq War critics, the conclusion is that Iraq has made us less safe because it has become a ``cause celebre'' and rallying cry for jihad.

Become? Everyone seems to have forgotten that Iraq was already an Islamist cause celebre and rallying cry long before 2003. When Osama bin Laden issued his 1998 declaration of war against America, his two principal casus belli for the jihad that exploded upon us on 9/11 centered on Iraq: America's alleged killing of more than 1 million Iraqis through the post-Gulf War sanctions, and, even worse, the desecration of Islam's holiest cities of Mecca and Medina by the garrisoning of infidel U.S. soldiers in Saudi Arabia (as post-Gulf War protection from the continuing threat of invasion by Saddam).

The irony is that the overthrow of Saddam eliminated these two rallying cries: Iraqi sanctions were lifted and U.S. troops were withdrawn from the no-longer threatened Saudi Arabia. But grievances cured are easily replaced. The jihadists wasted no time in finding new justifications for fury, and reviving old ones. The supply is endless: Danish cartoons, papal pronouncements, the liberation of women, the existence of Israel, the licentiousness of Western culture, the war in Afghanistan. And of course, Iraq -- again.

How important is Iraq in this calculus? The vaunted National Intelligence Estimate -- unspun -- offers a completely commonplace weighing of the relationship between terrorism and Iraq. On the one hand, the American presence does inspire some to join the worldwide jihad. On the other hand, success in the Iraq project would blunt the most fundamental enlistment tool for terrorism -- the political oppression in Arab lands that is deflected by cynical dictators and radical imams into murderous hatred of the West. Which is why the Bush democracy project embodies the greatest hope for a reduction of terrorism and why the NIE itself concludes that were the jihadists to fail in Iraq, their numbers would diminish.

It is an issue of time frame. The bombing of the Japanese home islands may have increased short-term recruiting for the kamikazes. But success in the Pacific War put a definitive end to the whole affair.

Moreover, does anyone imagine that had the jihadists in Iraq remained home they would now be tending petunias rather than plotting terror attacks? Omar Farouq, leader of al-Qaeda in Southeast Asia, escaped from a U.S. prison in Afghanistan a year ago and was apparently drawn to the ``cause celebre'' in Iraq. Last month, he was killed by British troops in a firefight in Basra. In an audiotape released on Sept. 28, the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq said that 4,000 of its recruits have been killed there since the American invasion. Like Omar Farouq and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, they went to Iraq to die in Iraq.

It is clear that one of the reasons we have gone an astonishing five years without a second attack on the American homeland is that the most dedicated and virulent jihadists have gone to Iraq to fight us, as was said during World War I, ``over there.''

Does the war in Iraq make us more or less safe today? And what about tomorrow? The fact is that no definitive answer is possible. Except for the following truism: During all wars we are by definition less safe -- and the surest way back to safety is victory.

Charles Krauthammer is a 1987 Pulitzer Prize winner, 1984 National Magazine Award winner, and a columnist for The Washington Post since 1985.
 

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Read this bit of news afterwards--
Wonder how they will blame this Shite/Sunni on us?---

Friday October 6, 6:20 PM
Seventeen dead in battle for Pakistan shrine

Seventeen people have been killed during fighting between Sunni and Shiite tribesmen over ownership of a shrine in northwest Pakistan.

The tribes exchanged gun, rocket and mortar fire after the dispute erupted several days ago over the holy site in the restive Orakzai tribal district, a senior security official told AFP Friday.
 

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It is funny how these books are floating out . But I must say it caught Ann whats her name of guard or she would have for sure put one together in a hurry filled with dirt about all DEM's as she groups them, and most info not with interviews or tapes to back any of it up. I understand Mr Powell is next, next week or his is out know. His is not going to be very nice either about the administration. And he is still a Reb. When you here statements like Sen Warner saying Iraq has short time left before our patients run out. YOU know what is happening. The CA is under way. And he is Strong Reb and backer of Bush.
 

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Dogs,

Thanks for another useless WW2 comparison. Those things are great.
 

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: During all wars we are by definition less safe -- and the surest way back to safety is victory.
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That's all well and good, but do we even know what would be victory in Iraq? It's never been clearly defined. We get buzzwords and rhetoric, but what the hell is actual victory?

Some said it happened when we defeated Saddam's military. That wasn't it.

Some said it happened when we caught Saddam. That wasn't it.

Some said it happened when Iraq held their first election. That wasn't it.

Some said it happened when Iraq held their 2nd election. That wasn't it.

Some said it happened when we killed Zarqawi. That wasn't it.

....So what exactly marks the victory? Does staying the course get us to that undefined declaration?
 

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Your welcome Smurph--I'm sorry if you don't history of prior wars have anything to do with wars of present and future--most do.

Could have sworn I'd seen liberal sites making reference to Viet Nam--but want no part of world war 2--selective reasoning maybe.
 

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Vietnam is closer, but like Kosar says - USSR/Afghanistan is probably closest.

So - how long was this kamikaze recruitment spike due to our bombings of Honshu cities? ...6 months, 1 year?

How many people were we talking about total ....a few thousand? Was the recruitment coming from a base of a billion people of that faith, from virtually every corner of the globe? ...Uh, no - in fact nothing here is comparable at all once you actually decide to analize it.

The right will use any excuse possible to try and fit WW2 into this war which it has absolutely nothing in common. Why? Because we all look to WW2 as the ultimate example of US brilliance, fortitude, and victory.

Nevermind the fact that we needed our allies in WW2. Nevermind the fact that we fought nations with boundaries and governements. Nevermind that our leadership actually asked everyone to conserve and pitch in. Nevermind that we weren't relying on our enemy for our resources. Nevermind that ....well, it goes on and on.

But as I often say - I know that you are smart to realize all these things. I know that you actually don't believe most of what you post. For some reason you want to hang on to certain idealogies and views in general that defend this administration, in spite of what you know to be true.
 

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"The right will use any excuse possible to try and fit WW2 into this war which it has absolutely nothing in common. Why? Because we all look to WW2 as the ultimate example of US brilliance, fortitude, and victory."
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Yep they say that NOW--if you think there wasn't people and politicians back then that didn't want to get into Germany under pretense that we weren't in Jeopardy being miles away-and that they "hadn't attacked us" your very wrong.

You will rarely find public opinion wanting to go to war--unless you are attacked

Was VERY fortunate for us and Europe that we had a pres with balls to make decision

a little history Smurph---from PBS

ANDREW KOHUT: Reaching back to World War II, we were at 26 percent in November of 1941, favoring U.S. entry into World War II, even though the American public recognized the great threat that the axis powers had--Germany and Japan--had on the United States, particularly if England were defeated. The American public was very reluctant to enter that war. This was a different public. It wasn't an internationalist public. This was a different world.

PHIL PONCE: Doris, what is your sense of the public mood at other times when the United States has had to take, or chosen to take military action?

Public opinion and war throughout American history.

DORIS KEARNS GOODWIN: Well, there's two very different stories that I think are provided by World War II and Vietnam. While it's true, as Andy says, that the majority of the public did not want in World War II right prior to the war, to use force, nonetheless, Roosevelt used his leadership from 1937 on really to begin to build and nurse public opinion to understand that preparedness was the first step if we were going to do something about the situation in Europe.

He gave a quarantine, the aggressor speech, in 1937, and it produced such an outroar among the public at large and in the Congress that he said it's a terrible thing when one tries to lead and looks over one's shoulder and sees nobody there. And he then pulled back and realized that it was his responsibility to educate, to shape, to move public opinion. And he did so, despite those figures in the sense that he finally got the public to understand the need for a peacetime draft; he got the public to accept lend-lease by a majority; he had the destroyer deal worked. America was mobilized. Its factories were working. Its soldiers were being trained even before Pearl Harbor.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june98/iraq_2-19.html

P.S. I might have to save this to file :)
 
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