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show some compassion for the guy....he went in the hospital for neck surgery & got an infection....

so instead of having to deal with one problem...he now has a 2nd problem....that he didn't cause...

all i'm saying is to let an attorney tell 65 whether has a case or not......not you because you're worried that your mal-practice premiums will go up...
 

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Stick it's bill up it's ass!



Hope you get it worked out Sixer.........
 

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AR182 said:
all i'm saying is to let an attorney tell 65 whether has a case or not......not you because you're worried that your mal-practice premiums will go up...

I agree. If the premiums are so high, why doesn't Dr. Laissez Faire go get a middle-management job at an oil company which he's suggested to others. The hypocrisy of some people is amazing.

Good Luck, 6'5"
 

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I agree. If the premiums are so high, why doesn't Dr. Laissez Faire go get a middle-management job at an oil company which he's suggested to others. The hypocrisy of some people is amazing.

Good Luck, 6'5"

do you work in a profession where at any given moment your bank account and savings can be plundered from you and your family because of the brief case mafia known as trial lawyers??

all for reasons which you cannot control and emotionally charged juries who cannot understand what is going on as you can clearly see in the above thread?

geez, this instance happens all the time and is out of anyone's control and look at the refusal to take in any facts about it at all

unbeknownst to you and apparantly the majority of the board, MRSA is ubiquitous and can colonize any wound whatsoever -- i had an uncle almost die/lose his arm from it after he cut his foot on a boat.....i have seen hospital related morbidity and mortality routinely from any number of bugs which love wounds....i have spent many a tireless night treating this for pennies on the dollar you make probably so i don't want to hear about any lack of compassion

yes, laissez faire, get the government (courts/blackrobed lawyers/briefcase mafia) out of my profession!!!!
 

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do you work in a profession where at any given moment your bank account and savings can be plundered from you and your family because of the brief case mafia known as trial lawyers??

yes

all for reasons which you cannot control and emotionally charged juries who cannot understand what is going on as you can clearly see in the above thread?

yes

He has an absolute right to seek the advice of an attorney to see if he has a case just to see if this inherent risk is in fact in all hospitals and your bias shouldn't change that.
 

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Understand both sides. When my son was born (emergency c section) they took him to icu, while in icu, an I.V. they were using came out of the vain and infiltrated tissue in his hand leaving a huge amount of swelling, nasty scab and eventually a huge scar on his hand. Long story short had to stay in ICU and extra 5 days because of hospital mistake and they were kind enough to tack on an extra $14,000 for their mistake. Never sued though a lot of friends said I should have, was just happy to have the kid. Good luck with what you chose to do, but talking with an attorney wouldn't hurt, or at least most hospitals have a "mediator" that you should talk to.

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I'll see what I can add to the storm here. There are several issues of interest in this thread.

For starters Dr. freeze comes off as an insensitive dick / rich doctor who doesn't care. I have no idea if that is the tone he is trying to convey when posting. I will assume he is just not aware how it seems and that his bedside manner is much improved. (If not be aware that some studies have shown that one of the biggest factors to protect you from lawsuit is bedside manner/pt. relationship, not quality of care).
He does have a valid point in that when you go into the hospital (or really even get prescribed medication) s*** happens. In particular infection is a common and difficult complication to prevent and can have bad consequences (as you have seen). From a medical standpoint you can do everything right and this can still happen. Your physician should have discussed the possible consequences of your procedure (including infection) with you prior to your procedure (It was most definitely in the seven hundred pages of stuff you signed - informed consent). If it wasn't go and collect your money. My understanding is that med mal requires you to show that your care was negligent/ outside standards of care to win, not that you just had a bad outcome (which you definitely did....my condolences by the way). Unless something weird went on I doubt that you should win the case (although you never know these days.) My experience has always been that it costs me $500 bucks to walk in the lawyers door (maybe I'm seeing the wrong guys). My advice would be if you feel you are mad $500 worth. Go talk to a lawyer and see what they say, it can never hurt (except maybe the ole pocketbook) especially if this is something that is going to eat at you for twenty years.

As far as the rising cost of healthcare there are a number of issues, I can tell you for a fact that there are some states that I cannot afford to practice in due to the cost of insurance and it is keeping several good doctors away from those areas. I think everyone plays a part, insurance lawyers, physicians, patients, etc. The big part I see everyday is what is known as defensive medicine. It is one of the reasons why when you go to see a doctor these days you get 500 tests and it cost you 700 bucks to be seen for your cold. This is because doctors feel pressured to look for everything, not just what their experience and training tell them is most likely because if something is missed they may get sued and lose. Better to check for everything, just in case. This affects thousands and thousands of medical decisions everyday. I cant tell you how many times things are done to CYA.

As far as the life of a doctor some doctors owe so much money that by the time they figure out they don't like medicine they are stuck financially and being a doctor is the only way out. I can tell you that in the current healthcare environment (overall quality of life, job satisfaction, etc.) I am hoping that my daughter finds a different field. I don't know what says more about it than that.

Best wishes to your speedy recovery.

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ec2285 said:
I'll see what I can add to the storm here. There are several issues of interest in this thread.

For starters Dr. freeze comes off as an insensitive dick / rich doctor who doesn't care. I have no idea if that is the tone he is trying to convey when posting. I will assume he is just not aware how it seems and that his bedside manner is much improved. (If not be aware that some studies have shown that one of the biggest factors to protect you from lawsuit is bedside manner/pt. relationship, not quality of care).
He does have a valid point in that when you go into the hospital (or really even get prescribed medication) s*** happens. In particular infection is a common and difficult complication to prevent and can have bad consequences (as you have seen). From a medical standpoint you can do everything right and this can still happen. Your physician should have discussed the possible consequences of your procedure (including infection) with you prior to your procedure (It was most definitely in the seven hundred pages of stuff you signed - informed consent). If it wasn't go and collect your money. My understanding is that med mal requires you to show that your care was negligent/ outside standards of care to win, not that you just had a bad outcome (which you definitely did....my condolences by the way). Unless something weird went on I doubt that you should win the case (although you never know these days.) My experience has always been that it costs me $500 bucks to walk in the lawyers door (maybe I'm seeing the wrong guys). My advice would be if you feel you are mad $500 worth. Go talk to a lawyer and see what they say, it can never hurt (except maybe the ole pocketbook) especially if this is something that is going to eat at you for twenty years.

As far as the rising cost of healthcare there are a number of issues, I can tell you for a fact that there are some states that I cannot afford to practice in due to the cost of insurance and it is keeping several good doctors away from those areas. I think everyone plays a part, insurance lawyers, physicians, patients, etc. The big part I see everyday is what is known as defensive medicine. It is one of the reasons why when you go to see a doctor these days you get 500 tests and it cost you 700 bucks to be seen for your cold. This is because doctors feel pressured to look for everything, not just what their experience and training tell them is most likely because if something is missed they may get sued and lose. Better to check for everything, just in case. This affects thousands and thousands of medical decisions everyday. I cant tell you how many times things are done to CYA.

As far as the life of a doctor some doctors owe so much money that by the time they figure out they don't like medicine they are stuck financially and being a doctor is the only way out. I can tell you that in the current healthcare environment (overall quality of life, job satisfaction, etc.) I am hoping that my daughter finds a different field. I don't know what says more about it than that.

Best wishes to your speedy recovery.

EC2285

appreciate your comments. Like I said earlier, my first thought is NOT to sue or to do anything. However, from what I do know as a nurse and from taking care of thousands of patients, people in healthcare screw up, and they screw up a lot! It's nothing malicious, but it happens. I really wonder what my operative report has to say?? I have a feeling my sterile field was broken or something worse. Now, would that be charted in my record?? Probably not?? Would there have been a 'non legal' document called an incident report filed?? Probably so.

I also remember nothing about somebody saying I had a risk to get a bad infection. However, it's hard to listen to all that chit they throw at you even if you do know all the jargon.

I'm coming from the standard that I provide excellent care, I always wash my hands (sounds simple, but you'd be suprised how many physicians don't even do it), and I do NOT harm people. Somebody(s) harmed me, and let me tell you, I'm suffering in a bad way. I'm mad, I hurt, I'm on the verge of being depressed, I can't do my normal chit that I want to do, I'm going to be delayed going back to work several weeks, and I'm hooked to a frikkin' IV sometimes 8 hours a day if it isn't working exactly right. If anybody ever suffered, I have, and I've seen plenty of suffering in my life.

I do have a sort of "ace in the hole" who actually works where I had my surgery. Now, she wasn't there that day, but she'll have some good scoop for me I'm quite sure, and I'm quite sure she'll be very forthcoming and honest with me since I graduated with her and helped her a great deal in college. I haven't talked to her yet, but I will soon.

Lastly, on freeze, I usually like him, but he really can push some buttons, and in this thread he really did. He's not the only one paying for malpractice insurance. I write that check too ;) I might have been too harsh with him, but chit, I feel bad. A simple, "man, I'm sorry you're hurt, but I seriously doubt you could win any kind of case. Good luck on your recovery."
 

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Yeah, I think Freeze just came across wrong. (Typing doesn't always convey what we actually mean). However, some people can do that all the time and not know it. If he is one of thosepeople his risk of being sued goes up no matter the quality of care. Definitely, a sorry for your situation would have gone over better.

Is there any particular reason other than your bad outcome you think something went wrong in the surgery? If indeed the field was broken or something else you may have something. However, in my training I have seen bad outcomes no matter the quality of care where everything seemed perfect technically. It really does just happen sometimes. Hopefully your "inside" person will have info one way or the other to put your mind at ease.

Best Wishes.
 

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One more thing. I always recommend if you have thoughts like this, to make an appointment with your physician and tell him what you are thinking.

Actually this usually resolves your doubt one way or the other.
 

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ec2285 said:
Is there any particular reason other than your bad outcome you think something went wrong in the surgery? If indeed the field was broken or something else you may have something. However, in my training I have seen bad outcomes no matter the quality of care where everything seemed perfect technically. It really does just happen sometimes. Hopefully your "inside" person will have info one way or the other to put your mind at ease.

Best Wishes.

my case was outpatient, and I was in the hospital for a total of 5 hours. My wife is a trained professional and changed my dressing on my neck twice a day at home. She told me it was infected from the second day out, but I didn't listen to her, because I didn't think she was right. I see no other way I could have acquired the infection other than in surgery. Cheers.
 

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ec2285 said:
One more thing. I always recommend if you have thoughts like this, to make an appointment with your physician and tell him what you are thinking.

Actually this usually resolves your doubt one way or the other.


i have personally witnessed doctors changing their medical diagnosis so as to not make another doctor look bad....so a doctor would be the last person i would talk to about this....at this point...
 

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Hmmm.... I have never seen someone change a diagnosis to "make someone not look bad" and don't really know what that would accomplish.
Generally, speaking what I see in the free market of private practice is someone willing to tell you whatever you want to hear so you will come back.

What i meant was to talk to the person who did the surgery about your very valid concerns and see what they say.
 

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Somebody(s) harmed me, and let me tell you, I'm suffering in a bad way.

That's what you don't understand here. Somebody did not harm you, something did...a bacteria. You need to get this through your head. Even in the most aseptic conditions it's an inherent risk of surgery to acquire nosocomial infections. And from someone involved in healthcare on a daily basis I am shocked you don't know this.

You all need to calm the **** down and get off Dr. Freeze's back. What I've seen here is Dr. Freeze post with logic and I've read a lot of responses that are laden with emotion. Your hatred/contempt for him shines through in your posts and it clouds the real question at hand. This is not the "get well 6-5" thread...there already is one of those. What we are discussing is whether or not the hospital is liable, and Dr. Freeze gave you the answer to that question. Just because you didn't like his answer, that makes him an insensitive prick? Holy shit you all are like a bunch of women arguing with emotions instead of logic.

Does this make me an insensitive prick too? I 'aint gonna lie 6-5, although I always have liked you from your posts the first thought I had is that you are using your anger to place blame. The fact that you say above you are angry and mad etc just proves that. And I too also thought to myself the same as Dr. Freeze. When unfortuante things happen to people why is there always the need to place blame?

I also remember nothing about somebody saying I had a risk to get a bad infection. However, it's hard to listen to all that chit they throw at you even if you do know all the jargon.

I'm having a really hard time trying figure out where you are coming from on this one. Hard to listen to all that jargon?? You hear it on a day to day basis wtf are you talking about?

No, I'm not an insensitive prick. I wished you well on the other hand and will continue to do the same. I just think you guys are wrong on this one.
 

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That's what you don't understand here. Somebody did not harm you, something did...a bacteria. You need to get this through your head.

What was responsible for that bacteria?
 

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What was responsible for that bacteria?


probably deer shit on the guys food in the bed next to him???? :shrug:
 

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That's what you don't understand here. Somebody did not harm you, something did...a bacteria. You need to get this through your head. Even in the most aseptic conditions it's an inherent risk of surgery to acquire nosocomial infections. And from someone involved in healthcare on a daily basis I am shocked you don't know this.

You all need to calm the **** down and get off Dr. Freeze's back. What I've seen here is Dr. Freeze post with logic and I've read a lot of responses that are laden with emotion. Your hatred/contempt for him shines through in your posts and it clouds the real question at hand. This is not the "get well 6-5" thread...there already is one of those. What we are discussing is whether or not the hospital is liable, and Dr. Freeze gave you the answer to that question. Just because you didn't like his answer, that makes him an insensitive prick? Holy shit you all are like a bunch of women arguing with emotions instead of logic.

Does this make me an insensitive prick too? I 'aint gonna lie 6-5, although I always have liked you from your posts the first thought I had is that you are using your anger to place blame. The fact that you say above you are angry and mad etc just proves that. And I too also thought to myself the same as Dr. Freeze. When unfortuante things happen to people why is there always the need to place blame?



I'm having a really hard time trying figure out where you are coming from on this one. Hard to listen to all that jargon?? You hear it on a day to day basis wtf are you talking about?

No, I'm not an insensitive prick. I wished you well on the other hand and will continue to do the same. I just think you guys are wrong on this one.

thanks for the thoughts. your post is quite different than freezes. It has no contempt, it is well thought out, and i appreciate your opinion. On the part you don't understand what I said , "I also remember nothing about somebody saying I had a risk to get a bad infection. However, it's hard to listen to all that chit they throw at you even if you do know all the jargon." I don't think this is hard to understand. A different way to say it is this. EVEN THOUGH I KNOW ALL THE MEDICAL JARGON, it's hard to listen to all that crap that you have to go through. Release of info, HIPPA, etc, etc etc and all the 5,000 papers you have to sign. I understood everything, but when you are inundated with horse chit, it's hard not to tune it out. Is that clear?? Again, thanks for you opinon, that's what I want even though I disagree with your very first paragraph That's what you don't understand here. Somebody did not harm you, something did...a bacteria. You need to get this through your head. Even in the most aseptic conditions it's an inherent risk of surgery to acquire nosocomial infections. And from someone involved in healthcare on a daily basis I am shocked you don't know this. . In the most aseptic conditions, there is sterility and there are no germs. I'm shocked you don't know this?? THanks, and Cheers.
 

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IE2002 said:
probably deer shit on the guys food in the bed next to him???? :shrug:

maybe if I would have had a roomate and maybe if the bug I have was E-coli. :142smilie :SIB
 
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