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lookin for advice from those experienced leasers...


wifey just came home with the idea that she wants to start leasing a newer vehicle....our 07 jeep liberty is terrible on gas (never buy one)


I have never leased, nor considered it...



benefits? cons?


would we even be able too? I drive 30 miles to work, so 60 round trip....and do some driving while at work....

wife recently went back to school. drives around 50 miles round trip each day for classes/work....


literally have no idea about leasing a vehicle, nor how the procedure works....



any advice would be helpful, as noone in my family has leased before, and my only friends who have, well arent as much friends as aquaintances, that I dont trust all that much...


Boys......havent you leased regularly?

anyone else?
 

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if you can help it never lease a vehicle


better to trade in the jeep and get a newer model vehicle to own


to start with a lease on a vehicle they want something down. Like 2 grand.


Hell thats a down payment on something you own.

Then they restrict you on the miles usually low like 12 K and if you go over they charge you like .4o cemts a mile

the bloody bastids.

So then I once took in a Toyata Supra expecting to turn it in without a hassle as the two years was up.

Oh wait a minute sir, the car isnt worth as much on turn in so you owe us 2,443.33

I told the guy to take a flying fawk and I left.

I got a attorney the next day and after about a month they just let it drop .

leasing sucks.

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Ever since his entry into the 2012 Hilton contest, The Boys now wears a top hat, cape and has a chauffeur.

Although he did lease in the past, he is immersed in an extraordinary handicapping discipline and will not allow his mind to retrieve and process such mundane thoughts as leasing a vehicle.
 

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Ever since his entry into the 2012 Hilton contest, The Boys now wears a top hat, cape and has a chauffeur.

Although he did lease in the past, he is immersed in an extraordinary handicapping discipline and will not allow his mind to retrieve and process such mundane thoughts as leasing a vehicle.

buddy

your work here is done:0074
 

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if you can help it never lease a vehicle


better to trade in the jeep and get a newer model vehicle to own


to start with a lease on a vehicle they want something down. Like 2 grand.


Hell thats a down payment on something you own.

Then they restrict you on the miles usually low like 12 K and if you go over they charge you like .4o cemts a mile

the bloody bastids.

So then I once took in a Toyata Supra expecting to turn it in without a hassle as the two years was up.

Oh wait a minute sir, the car isnt worth as much on turn in so you owe us 2,443.33

I told the guy to take a flying fawk and I left.

I got a attorney the next day and after about a month they just let it drop .

leasing sucks.

IMO

40 cents a mile after you hit the number......fawwwk that...

thanks kod...

dont think I need to think much longer....I will fly over any number they give me with driving to work alone...
 

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Lease vs Buy

Is it better to lease a car or buy? Why? Which is best?

It's a common dilemma with automotive consumers: lease versus buy ? to lease a car or buy a car ? which is better?

So what is the answer?

Lease versus Buy

The answer is ? it depends. It's not possible to simply say that one is always better than the other because the answer depends on the specifics of each individual situation.

Leases and purchase loans are simply two different methods of automobile financing ? leasing is not renting as many people seem to think. Leasing finances the use of a vehicle; buying with a loan finances the purchase of a vehicle. Each has its own benefits and drawbacks.



When making a 'lease or buy' decision you must look not only at financial comparisons but also at your own personal priorities ? what's important to you.

Is having a new vehicle every two or three years with no major repair risks more important than long-term cost? Or are long term cost savings more important than lower monthly payments? Is having some ownership in your vehicle more important than low up-front costs and no down payment? Is it important to you to pay off your vehicle and be debt-free for a while, even if it means higher monthly payments for the first few years?

So we find out that making a lease-or-buy decision is not quite cut and dry. There are trade-offs, pluses and minuses, pros and cons to consider.

Buying and Leasing are Different

When you buy, you pay for the entire cost of a vehicle, regardless of how many miles you drive it or how long you keep it. Monthly payments are higher than for leasing. You typically make a down payment, pay sales taxes in cash or roll them into your loan, and pay an interest rate determined by your loan company based on your credit score. You make your first payment a month after you sign your contract. Later, you may decide to sell or trade the vehicle for its depreciated resale or trade value.

When you lease, you pay only a portion of a vehicle's cost, which is the part that you "use up" during the time you're driving it. Leasing is a form of financing and is not the same as renting. You have the option of not making a down payment, you pay sales tax only on your monthly payments (in most states), and you pay a financial rate, called money factor, that is similar to the interest on a loan. You may also be required to pay fees and possibly a security deposit that you don't pay when you buy. You make your first payment at the time you sign your contract ? for the month ahead. At lease-end, you may either return the vehicle, or purchase it for its depreciated resale value. You may be charged a lease-end disposition fee.


Lease-versus-Buy Example


As an example, if you LEASE a $20,000 car that will have, say, an estimated resale value of $13,000 after 24 months, you only pay for the $7000 difference (this is called depreciation), plus finance charges, plus possible fees. You return the car at lease-end, or buy it to own it.

When you BUY, you pay the entire $20,000, plus finance charges, plus possible fees. You own the car at the end of your loan, although its value is less than the $20,000 you initially paid.

This difference is fundamentally why leasing offers significantly lower monthly payments than buying.

How are Lease and Loan Payments Different?

Lease payments are made up of two parts: a depreciation charge and a finance charge. The depreciation part of each monthly payment compensates the leasing company for the portion of the vehicle's value that is lost during your lease. The finance part is interest on the money the lease company has tied up in the car while you're driving it. In effect, you are borrowing the money that the lease company used to buy the car from the dealer. You repay part of that money in monthly payments, and repay the remainder when you either buy or return the vehicle at lease-end.

Loan payments also have two parts: a principal charge and a finance charge, similar to lease payments. A loan company or bank issues money directly to you or a dealer, and you agree to repay that money, with interest, over time. The principal charge pays off the full vehicle purchase price over the length of the loan, while finance charge is loan interest on monthly unpaid balance. The finance company or bank will hold the vehicle's legal title until the loan has been completely repaid.

However, since all vehicles depreciate in value by the same amount regardless of whether they are leased or purchased, part of the principal charge of each loan payment can be considered as a depreciation charge, just like with leasing ? it's part of each monthly payment that you never get back, even if you sell the vehicle in the future. It's lost money for which you'll have nothing to show.

The remainder of each loan principal payment goes toward equity. It's what remains of your car's original value at the end of the loan after depreciation has taken its toll. Equity is resale or trade value. It's what you get back if you sell the vehicle ? or credit you receive if you trade. The longer you own and drive a vehicle, the less equity you have. At some point in time, after the wheels have fallen off and the engine is worn out, the only equity left is scrap value. You never get back the full amount you've paid for your vehicle.

Buy versus Lease - Savings Account or No Savings Account

So, buying a car with a loan is essentially like putting money into a declining-value savings account ? you never get out as much as you put in. A portion of every payment you make is lost to depreciation and finance charges. What you have "to show" for your investment when your loan is paid off is only the part that is left over after depreciation and interest. A terrible investment by any measure. But cars are not usually purchased as investments, are they?

Leasing, then, is similar to buying, but without the equity "savings account." You only pay for what you use and you don't put anything extra into "savings." It's true that you'll own nothing at the end of a lease; you'll have nothing "to show" for the money you've put into it. But... what you don't own is the same part of the car's original value ? the depreciated part ? that a buyer too doesn't own at the end of his loan. Again, a car's value depreciates the same amount whether it is leased or purchased. That money is gone forever, lease or buy.

With leasing, you may have the option of putting your monthly payment savings into more productive investments, such as mutual funds or stocks that have the possibility of increasing in value. In fact, many experts encourage this practice as one of the benefits of leasing, though most people will typically find other uses for the money they save by leasing ? such as paying the mortgage or buying groceries.

Leasing Can be a Little More Complicated

Because leasing is somewhat more complicated with residuals, money factors, acquisition fees, etc.; it shouldn't be undertaken quite as casually as you might with a simple loan. There are more opportunities to misunderstand and make mistakes. Therefore, leasing requires that you be more careful and more informed.

Leasing may also require a higher credit score than a car loan. Personal credit scores are available for free online at credit bureau web sites such as TransUnion. Your score might mean the difference between leasing and buying, or not getting approved at all.

This is precisely the reason we've provided this Lease Guide and our optional Lease Kit ? to make leasing as easy as possible for you.

Just a Comment on Lease-to-Buy Plans



Some people lease with the intention of buying their vehicle at the end of the lease, or before the end of the lease. It allows them to start out with lower payments by leasing and then buy the car at lease-end with a used-car loan. This is nearly always more expensive in the long run than simply buying outright. However, you may have a good reason for this tactic.

One Other Thing - GAP Protection

Most car leases have automatic built-in gap coverage, while car purchase loans almost always do not. Gap coverage, or gap insurance, pays the difference between what you owe on your loan or lease, and what your vehicle is actually worth if your vehicle is stolen or destroyed in an accident.

Why is gap insurance important? Because it's very common, in these days of long-term loans and leases, rolled-over and refinanced loans, and little or no down payment, to be "upside down" ? to owe more on your loan or lease than your car is actually worth.

This can mean you'll still owe hundreds or thousands of dollars to the finance company even after your insurance has paid for your car that has been totaled or stolen. This turns out to be a huge shocking surprise for most people caught in this unfortunate situation.

So, nearly all leases have built-in gap protection, but loans do not. You're better protected with a lease, unless you purchase the gap insurance separately at extra cost for the loan ? if you can find a place to buy it.

Which is Better - Buying or Leasing ?

As with any question of this type, there can be more than one answer, depending on particulars.

Lease vs Loan

Typical lease compared to a 6% loan and a 0% loan. Leasing always has lower payments. Does this mean leasing is always better? Not necessarily. Payment is not the only factor that should influence your decision.

1. The short-term monthly cost of leasing is ALWAYS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS than the cost of buying.
For the same car, same price, same term, and same down payment, monthly lease payments will always be 30%-60% lower than loan payments. This is still true even when compared to 0% or low-interest loans (see comparison chart at right). For actual real-life comparisons, see our Lease vs. Buy Calculator.


2. The medium-term cost of leasing is ABOUT THE SAME as the cost of buying, assuming the buyer sells/trades his vehicle at loan-end and the leaser returns her vehicle at lease-end.
The overall cost of leasing compared to buying, over the same lease/loan term, is approximately the same, assuming the buyer sells or trades the vehicle at the end of the loan. Comparisons sometimes show buying to cost a little less than leasing due to fewer fees, lower total finance costs, and the assumption that a purchased vehicle will return full market value if it is sold or traded at the end of the loan (often a bad assumption, especially if traded). However, when the benefits of wisely investing monthly lease savings are considered, along with sales tax savings (in most states), the net cost of leasing can easily be less than buying.


3. The long-term cost of leasing is ALWAYS MORE than the cost of buying, assuming the buyer keeps his vehicle after loan-end.
If a buyer keeps his car after the loan has been paid off and drives it for many more years, the cost is spread over a longer term. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out that the cost of buying one car and driving it for ten years is less expensive than leasing or buying four or five different cars over the same period. Therefore, leasing is always more expensive than long-term buying. If long-term financial cost savings were the most important objective in acquiring a new car, it would always be best to buy the car and drive it for as long as it survives ? or until the cost of maintenance and repairs begins to exceed the cost of replacing it. However, many automotive consumers have other more immediate objectives that are more important than long-term cost savings.

Lease or Buy? What's Important to You? What Are Your Priorities?

It's personal. All of us have different personal styles, objectives, and priorities ? in cars, life, and in finances. Car lease-versus-buy decisions must be made with your own lifestyle and priorities in mind. What's right for one person can be totally wrong for another.


LEASE - If you enjoy driving a new car every two or three years, want lower monthly payments, like having a car that has the latest safety features and is always under warranty, don't like trading and selling used cars, don't care about building ownership equity, have a stable predictable lifestyle, drive an average number of miles, properly maintain your cars, are willing to pay more over the long haul to get these benefits, and understand how leasing works, then you should lease.

BUY - If you don't mind higher monthly payments at first, like holding on to your cars, prefer to build up some trade-in or resale value (equity), enjoy the idea of having ownership of your car, like paying off your loan and being payment-free for a while, don't mind the unexpected cost of repairs after warranty has expired, drive more than average miles, prefer to drive your cars for years to spread out the cost, like to customize your cars, might have lifestyle or job changes in the near future, and don't like the risk of possible lease-end charges ? then you should buy.

Another Way to Lease ? A Better Cheaper Leasing Alternative



The single best way to drive a late model car at the lowest possible cost is to take over someone's existing car lease. It's less expensive than buying and less expensive than taking out a new lease. You avoid all the up-front hassles, negotiations, and fees.

Why?

Most existing car leases were taken out months ago when car manufacturers were offering incredible money-losing lease deals and very low monthly payments. Many people who took those great lease deals now need to get out after losing jobs or suffering other financial distress. Most lease companies allow those leases to be transferred to someone else by simply paying a small transfer fee.

Since the original lessee got a good deal ? a deal that may not be possible today ? anyone taking over the lease will inherit the same great deal, same low monthly payment, with NO MONEY DOWN, no up-front sales tax, and in many cases, a CASH incentive from the "seller." There is no other way to get a late model car this cheap with payments this low.

Online companies such as Swapalease.com act as match-makers between people who want out of a lease, and people who would like to take over a lease.

Swapalease.com is the largest online lease marketplace and has the largest inventory of lease takeover vehicles. You can look over their vehicle listings and if you find a car you like, they help arrange the lease transfer. The "seller" pays most of the cost. It's easy and fast.

Summary

To summarize, car leasing is the right answer for people who want to save on monthly automobile costs but who have a stable predictable lifestyle and take good care of their cars. Buying is better for those who drive lots of miles, like paying off their car loans and enjoying their car without monthly payments for years to come
 

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Ever since his entry into the 2012 Hilton contest, The Boys now wears a top hat, cape and has a chauffeur.

Although he did lease in the past, he is immersed in an extraordinary handicapping discipline and will not allow his mind to retrieve and process such mundane thoughts as leasing a vehicle.

normally you just post weird shit that perplexes me--good work:toast:
 

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lookin for advice from those experienced leasers...


wifey just came home with the idea that she wants to start leasing a newer vehicle....our 07 jeep liberty is terrible on gas (never buy one)


I have never leased, nor considered it...



benefits? cons?


would we even be able too? I drive 30 miles to work, so 60 round trip....and do some driving while at work....

wife recently went back to school. drives around 50 miles round trip each day for classes/work....


literally have no idea about leasing a vehicle, nor how the procedure works....



any advice would be helpful, as noone in my family has leased before, and my only friends who have, well arent as much friends as aquaintances, that I dont trust all that much...


Boys......havent you leased regularly?

anyone else?

Addict, look at a used car with about 12k miles..... You let someone else take the initial hit on depreciation. Interest rates are very low and will keep your payments to a minimum. You can have "almost" a new car for a lot less :0008
 

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Never lease as an individual IMO, for a company you can write off the whole payment on taxes :0074

Buy a vehicle, trade it in
 

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I only lease because I write it off and get a new car every 3 years. I usually go with the zero down 15, 000 miles a year, that's all I need. My car is always under warranty so I never worry about anything. Some of the new Hybrids have great deals if you like 50 mpg. Shop hard, play dealerships off each other...........some great deals out there if you play hardball.
 

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In 2003 I bought a Cadillac for $26k. It had 15k miles and was a formal rental. It still had the new smell. Got an extended warranty on the engine. It was a great car. My dad bought the exact same Caddy new from a dealership and paid $46k. The rentals, esp the nice cars, don't get abused much because people don't want the rental company to charge them for any little ding. So you get high end clients to drive those high end cars and you get a car at half the price.....JMO

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