lefty`s....why hasn`t anyone posted olbermann`s rant?

gardenweasel

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this is like chum for sharks....the "real patriots"....

have some fun...i intend to...



"The man who sees absolutes, where all other men see nuances and shades of meaning, is either a prophet, or a quack.

Donald H. Rumsfeld is not a prophet. Mr. Rumsfeld’s remarkable speech to the American Legion yesterday demands the deep analysis—and the sober contemplation—of every American.

For it did not merely serve to impugn the morality or intelligence -- indeed, the loyalty -- of the majority of Americans who oppose the transient occupants of the highest offices in the land. Worse, still, it credits those same transient occupants -- our employees -- with a total omniscience; a total omniscience which neither common sense, nor this administration’s track record at home or abroad, suggests they deserve.

Dissent and disagreement with government is the life’s blood of human freedom; and not merely because it is the first roadblock against the kind of tyranny the men Mr. Rumsfeld likes to think of as “his” troops still fight, this very evening, in Iraq.

It is also essential. Because just every once in awhile it is right and the power to which it speaks, is wrong.

In a small irony, however, Mr. Rumsfeld’s speechwriter was adroit in invoking the memory of the appeasement of the Nazis. For in their time, there was another government faced with true peril—with a growing evil—powerful and remorseless.

That government, like Mr. Rumsfeld’s, had a monopoly on all the facts. It, too, had the “secret information.” It alone had the true picture of the threat. It too dismissed and insulted its critics in terms like Mr. Rumsfeld’s -- questioning their intellect and their morality.

That government was England’s, in the 1930’s.

It knew Hitler posed no true threat to Europe, let alone England.

It knew Germany was not re-arming, in violation of all treaties and accords.

It knew that the hard evidence it received, which contradicted its own policies, its own conclusions — its own omniscience -- needed to be dismissed.

The English government of Neville Chamberlain already knew the truth.

Most relevant of all — it “knew” that its staunchest critics needed to be marginalized and isolated. In fact, it portrayed the foremost of them as a blood-thirsty war-monger who was, if not truly senile, at best morally or intellectually confused.

That critic’s name was Winston Churchill.

Sadly, we have no Winston Churchills evident among us this evening. We have only Donald Rumsfelds, demonizing disagreement, the way Neville Chamberlain demonized Winston Churchill.

History — and 163 million pounds of Luftwaffe bombs over England — have taught us that all Mr. Chamberlain had was his certainty — and his own confusion. A confusion that suggested that the office can not only make the man, but that the office can also make the facts.

Thus, did Mr. Rumsfeld make an apt historical analogy.

Excepting the fact, that he has the battery plugged in backwards.

His government, absolute -- and exclusive -- in its knowledge, is not the modern version of the one which stood up to the Nazis.

It is the modern version of the government of Neville Chamberlain.

But back to today’s Omniscient ones.

That, about which Mr. Rumsfeld is confused is simply this: This is a Democracy. Still. Sometimes just barely.

And, as such, all voices count -- not just his.

Had he or his president perhaps proven any of their prior claims of omniscience — about Osama Bin Laden’s plans five years ago, about Saddam Hussein’s weapons four years ago, about Hurricane Katrina’s impact one year ago — we all might be able to swallow hard, and accept their “omniscience” as a bearable, even useful recipe, of fact, plus ego.

But, to date, this government has proved little besides its own arrogance, and its own hubris.

Mr. Rumsfeld is also personally confused, morally or intellectually, about his own standing in this matter. From Iraq to Katrina, to the entire “Fog of Fear” which continues to envelop this nation, he, Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney, and their cronies have — inadvertently or intentionally — profited and benefited, both personally, and politically.

And yet he can stand up, in public, and question the morality and the intellect of those of us who dare ask just for the receipt for the Emporer’s New Clothes?

In what country was Mr. Rumsfeld raised? As a child, of whose heroism did he read? On what side of the battle for freedom did he dream one day to fight? With what country has he confused the United States of America?

The confusion we -- as its citizens— must now address, is stark and forbidding.

But variations of it have faced our forefathers, when men like Nixon and McCarthy and Curtis LeMay have darkened our skies and obscured our flag. Note -- with hope in your heart — that those earlier Americans always found their way to the light, and we can, too.

The confusion is about whether this Secretary of Defense, and this administration, are in fact now accomplishing what they claim the terrorists seek: The destruction of our freedoms, the very ones for which the same veterans Mr. Rumsfeld addressed yesterday in Salt Lake City, so valiantly fought.

And about Mr. Rumsfeld’s other main assertion, that this country faces a “new type of fascism.”

As he was correct to remind us how a government that knew everything could get everything wrong, so too was he right when he said that -- though probably not in the way he thought he meant it.

This country faces a new type of fascism - indeed. Although I presumptuously use his sign-off each night, in feeble tribute, I have utterly no claim to the words of the exemplary journalist Edward R. Murrow.

But never in the trial of a thousand years of writing could I come close to matching how he phrased a warning to an earlier generation of us, at a time when other politicians thought they (and they alone) knew everything, and branded those who disagreed: “confused” or “immoral.”

Thus, forgive me, for reading Murrow, in full:

“We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty,” he said, in 1954. “We must remember always that accusation is not proof, and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law.

“We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were for the moment unpopular.”

truly bizarre...
 

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I'm guessing its bizzare to you because you don't understand a word of it. I saw the broadcast of this, it came at the very end of his show and when he was finished, I said that was the finest speech I have ever heard on TV--ever. And there is nothing lefty or righty about this--maybe in your feeble little mind there is--this was simply one man expressing his deep frustration against the Fascism of the current administration in a supposedly democratic America in the early parts of the 21st century.
 

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note to maroons like reddsfann and olbermann...

bush is not trying to scare the citizens of this country, he's trying to remind fat and happy lefty`s like yourself the danger that lurks outside our borders (and most likely within)....

we should be fearful of threats against us because 9/11 happened when we weren't expecting anything.....since the media likes to break stories of covert actions in the act of stopping terrorism (semi-treasonous and definitely unpatriotic) and siding with our enemies because it's bad for bush, i would say to you, "have you no decency?" ...and if you do, then "have you no brain?" ....

and trying to reverse the neville chamberlain disgrace in ww2 was amazingly ballsy....

in keith’s world, the bush administration is neville chamberlain and he and his september 10th moonbat friends,who are always in the company of a white flag, are winston churchill....

lol...i kid you not....

you can`t make this stuff up...

he gets an "A' for cojones.....a "D" illogical logic...lots of projection there...measured in metric tons...
 
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Maroons? Damn, you are even dumber than I gave you credit for, MORON!

keep regurgitating the Fascist party line, dipshit, and I'll keep making fun of you and the rest of your ilk. And its REDSFANN..loser.
 

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Bottom line should be it makes people think. It should open there eyes that just because someone like a Rummy says something it is just not all right on. In fact a guy like Rummy who has screwed so much up and still has a job is unreal. As for critic's. Dam sure need them. If we ever make a law to out law them. Its the end of America as we know it.
 

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Got some peppy folks here for this early in the day.... :SIB

GW,

Apparently you are satisfied with Rumsfeld's performance. It's thinking like that that is TRULY dangerous. He's been a f*cking disaster. Immensely arrogant. Pathetic. Directly responsible for totally unecessary loss of lives and limbs.

Gotta give him credit, though. He and his cabal (Perle, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Feith) patiently waited for 13 years to enact their plan to oust Saddam, no matter the cost.
 

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i called you a loser...and went back and changed it......

for that i was wrong...getting personal...i don`t have to do that to make my point...

i love it when guys that live in the land of milk and honey fantasize about being a rebel living in some orwellian police state...lol...be strong!!!

the islamofascists go around with "god bless hitler" signs and elect guys who take the nic, "hitler," and they talk without shame about eradicating the jews, but it's "indecent" to compare them with nazis?.......

olbermann`s idea of patriotism is more of a "tokyo rose" type effort, so you could see where they make the mistake....

ex-sportscaster with pseudo-serious glasses....lol

go back,keith.....back to espn....you were top 5 there....o.k,maybe 4...
 

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kosar...it`s o.k. to question rumsfeld`s decision making....many think he should go.....

i was flummoxed by the chamberlain take....that was more shocking than seeing a squirrel with a jockstrap on.....

and i just don`t like the wise cracking/ used car salesman schtick of olbermann...how many viewers does keith have on msnbc - five?...hell, he's not even qualified to offer color commentary at a little league game for meerkats....

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no need to appologize for calling me names, I can handle it. I can sling mud with the best of them...

Islamofascists, huh? Takes a fascist to know one, I guess, and you fit the description.

If you right-wingers are going to continue to insist on calling them Islamofacists, I have no other response than to start to refer to all of you as 'Christo-fascists'

if its good enough for Pat Buchanan....


http://www.theamericancause.org/print/090106_print.htm
 

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who said i was a christian?.....

sooooo...

bush comparing al qadea to hitler(olberman calls him indecent)....

the looney left compares bush to hitler(olberman calls them his audience...all 5 of `em).
 

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I loved the essay, as you can all probably imagine. Although I did find it a little obtuse and overly filled with imagery, I liked the analogy - and realize it was done to elicit the exact response you rose up with, gw. It's all a matter of perspective, and I would guess aligning this administration and it's supporters with Chamberlain and his blind-eyed neighsayers is pretty frustrating. He gives an unique perspective and as DJV points out, makes you think a little. I know this can be very difficult for some, especially the ones that take this administrations positions and comments as being the gospel.

The main point behind Olberman's rant, in my opinion, is his frustration with any kind of dissent against this administration in it's war on terror performance being labeled as unpatriotic and a liberal form of fascism. I share EXACTLY his frustration with this. All along, we have been forced to either go along (blindly, I might add) with this administration at every turn when it comes to the self-imposed "war on terra" or be labeled as helping the enemy, an islamafascist sympathizer, or, um, a limp-wristed liberal f*g.

Instead of bizzare, this was strong, well thought out, and intense food for thought. You may not like the light it puts YOU in, but hey, welcome to the club.

Cheers to Olberman. :toast: Well said.
 

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actually olbermann sounds a lot like weasel......

very similar jumbled analogous style of pointless rant....
 

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and the next mutha fuka up dis hushizzle to mention anything about ww2 or hitler or the nazis........well, damnit, i'll be even more frustrated and might even make an exasperated sigh.

THIS IS NOT WW2. Look here 'War on Terror'. I knew WW2. WW2 was a friend of mine. You sir, are not WW2.

Are we this limited in our ability to think, that the only thing we can ever use to describe anyone, any place, or any event in the world today is through Hitler, Germany, and WW2 comparisons?

Enough already.
 

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and the next mutha fuka up dis hushizzle to mention anything about ww2 or hitler or the nazis........well, damnit, i'll be even more frustrated and might even make an exasperated sigh.

THIS IS NOT WW2. Look here 'War on Terror'. I knew WW2. WW2 was a friend of mine. You sir, are not WW2.

Are we this limited in our ability to think, that the only thing we can ever use to describe anyone, any place, or any event in the world today is through Hitler, Germany, and WW2 comparisons?

Enough already.

Go (Middle) East, young man, to Afghanistan. See the great big power, The USSR, try to control a rag tag group of tribesmen. Dey twied wit bomb and tankies. It no workie. They twy for 8 year. Dat the propa comparison in regard to wah in Iraq.

Hell, it explains the problems we're having in Afghanistan as well. Because of Iraq, Afghanistan stays out of the news, but we're no closer to 'winning' there than we were in 2002.
 

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Go (Middle) East, young man, to Afghanistan. See the great big power, The USSR, try to control a rag tag group of tribesmen. Dey twied wit bomb and tankies. It no workie. They twy for 8 year. Dat the propa comparison in regard to wah in Iraq.

Hell, it explains the problems we're having in Afghanistan as well. Because of Iraq, Afghanistan stays out of the news, but we're no closer to 'winning' there than we were in 2002.

You can't use that comparison in this country for two reasons:

1) It puts us on the same level as the USSR. We are of course far superior to what they were. Just because they failed, doesn't mean we will because we are better and more righter.

2) That's not a heroic moment in US history. It's not even US history (officially) at all. We don't learn this in primary education, so it's not a comparison we are eligible to use. Sure, it may be accurate, but unless it deals with a big war against Hitler that the US helped win, it's not allowed for discussion.
 

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You can't use that comparison in this country for two reasons:

1) It puts us on the same level as the USSR. We are of course far superior to what they were. Just because they failed, doesn't mean we will because we are better and more righter.

2) That's not a heroic moment in US history. It's not even US history (officially) at all. We don't learn this in primary education, so it's not a comparison we are eligible to use. Sure, it may be accurate, but unless it deals with a big war against Hitler that the US helped win, it's not allowed for discussion.


Ok Smurph, you got me. Very cogent points.

Let's get back to the only thing that some people understand.

LOOK WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THE WORLD IGNORED HITLER AS HE WAS BLAZING ACROSS EUROPE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT SADDAM WAS DOING. HE WAS BLAZING ACROSS IRAQ GOING FROM PALACE TO PALACE.

LET'S LOOK AT THAT HUGE GERMAN ARMY. LETHAL. SIMILAR TO SADDAMS EXCEPT SADDAMS TROOPS CARED NOT TO FIGHT. THEY ALSO DIDN'T HAVE AN AIR FORCE OR NAVY. OTHERWISE, THE SIMILARITIES ARE EERIE.

YOU REMEMBER THAT PICTURE OF THE TROOPS PLANTING OUR FLAG ON TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN IN IWO JIMA. THAT PICTURE SYMBOLIZES A HUGE, VERY DIFFICULT VICTORY AND REPRESENTED A VISCERAL REMINDER OF HOW WE GOT REVENGE AFTER BEING ATTACKED IN HAWAII.

WELL, LEMME TELL YOU THIS, MY FRIEND, THAT PICTURE OF SADDAMS STATUE FALLING REMINDS US OF OUR REVENGE UMMMM......13 YEARS AFTER HE INVADED OUR IMPORTANT LONGSTANDING STRATEGIC PARTNER OF UMMMMMM....kuwait.

OR COULD IT BE THAT WE ARE EXACTING REVENGE FOR SADDAM BLAZING ACROSS HIS BORDER INTO IRAN. POSSIBLE, BUT A NOBLE CAUSE INDEED.

WHATEVER THE CASE, HE COULD BE IGNORED NO LONGER BECAUSE WE NEARLY HAD ANOTHER HITLER ON OUR HANDS AND THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN GOOD, I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE!
 

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Dude, that's soooo 2004. THAT Hitler is old news. Don't you know Ahmadinejad is the "in" Hitler these days. ....Or Bush - he's been the consumate Hitler for the other side to poke at.

It gets confusing when there are so many Hitlers. So many people "blazing" across borders, gobbling up countries, and commiting genocide left and right.

If we could just partner up with the massive militaries of Europe like the good old days and d-day all these Hitlers into submission - well, I know that just isn't possible. Everything about that generation was courageous and perfect, while everything today is cowardly and disastrous.

It's all the media's fault.

Yes - Kosar, spooky similarities.
 
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