09-11-01: there were 15 Saudi's involved, and 0 Iraqi's
do you get the feeling Dubya is doing this to make Daddy proud...?
do you get the feeling Dubya is doing this to make Daddy proud...?
lets remember one thing...
- Thread starter FlashInVegas
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If I remember CIA/FBI felt at least another 6 to 8. Zero for Iraq.
This is about saving Iraq from it's ruler. If the ruler leaves or would have. Then it is about WMD. Just depends what day it was over last 6 months as we got ready to go.
And we will find WMD thats a lock.
Even if I have to fly the chit over there myself and make it look like it was there 6 years. Im still have concerns what we are going to do about the countires that say. We have WMD what you gong to do about it Mr Bush. I new Iraq was nothing. I didn't buy into the Shock and Awe chit. Those who did felt a 10 days war was all it would take. I still believe it takes about 21. Then the other 2 to 3 years of problems start. Today is day 13, 8 to go.
Then What?
This is about saving Iraq from it's ruler. If the ruler leaves or would have. Then it is about WMD. Just depends what day it was over last 6 months as we got ready to go.
And we will find WMD thats a lock.
Even if I have to fly the chit over there myself and make it look like it was there 6 years. Im still have concerns what we are going to do about the countires that say. We have WMD what you gong to do about it Mr Bush. I new Iraq was nothing. I didn't buy into the Shock and Awe chit. Those who did felt a 10 days war was all it would take. I still believe it takes about 21. Then the other 2 to 3 years of problems start. Today is day 13, 8 to go.
Then What?
here an intresting Site that have lots of sources on the ties of 911 and Pakistan ISI
http://www.unansweredquestions.net/timeline/main/saeedsheikh.html
http://www.unansweredquestions.net/timeline/main/saeedsheikh.html
There has never been a clear link to Iraq on 9/11, this is just propaganda used by the Bush administration to justify taking over a country by hostile invasion in order to take the oil. The differences in Saddam's and Bin Ladens religions make them natraul enemies and no matter what spin the Mandated Bush propaganda machine puts on the link to 9/11 it has never been proven.
and how many Nazi's were there that flew into Pearl Harbor on 12/7/41 again?
oh wait- FDR just wanted to make cousin Teddy proud
oh wait- FDR just wanted to make cousin Teddy proud
there is a link
there is a link
to those scuds lobbed into israel during the gulf war....that most certainly would have been nuclear weapons if israel hadn`t zapped that french built iranian nuclear reactor in the middle 80`s...that very possibly could have led to the destruction of israel and ww3.....the guy has proven willing to do things other despots in the area won`t do(invade 2 countries,gas his own people,set fire to oil fields causing ecolgical disaster still being repaired today)......he`s not nice.....and that uday....what a scamp!
there is a link
to those scuds lobbed into israel during the gulf war....that most certainly would have been nuclear weapons if israel hadn`t zapped that french built iranian nuclear reactor in the middle 80`s...that very possibly could have led to the destruction of israel and ww3.....the guy has proven willing to do things other despots in the area won`t do(invade 2 countries,gas his own people,set fire to oil fields causing ecolgical disaster still being repaired today)......he`s not nice.....and that uday....what a scamp!
lets see, what day of the week is it? which way is the wind blowing? ok, lets use the "weapons of mass distruction" excuse.
if i am to believe the mission is to rid the world of weapons of mass distruction, then we're going to be at war for the next 100 years...
hmmm, does anyone think that this is that Iraq is the only country in the world with an unstable government and nasty weapons??????
if we are to TRULY get rid of the threat then were going to have to head on over to:
India/Pakistan (close by, no biggee)
North Korea (just a few miles east of india)
***while were in the neighborhood, lets go dropkick
China
Indonesia
***here is a great segue: what has caused immense suffering and death in the US over the past few decades??? DRUGS. so couldnt we call them weapons of mass distruction? sure we can...while were in such an ass-kicking mood, why dont we cruise on down to:
Bolivia (serious coca farms down there)
Peru (fujimori is unstable, and coca is plentiful)
as you can see, this promises to be a war-hawks dream come true. cant wait to get the bill! imagine, this country ready to lynch the president when they found out he got a blowjob in the oval office...cant wait to see the aftermath of this circus act.
if i am to believe the mission is to rid the world of weapons of mass distruction, then we're going to be at war for the next 100 years...
hmmm, does anyone think that this is that Iraq is the only country in the world with an unstable government and nasty weapons??????
if we are to TRULY get rid of the threat then were going to have to head on over to:
India/Pakistan (close by, no biggee)
North Korea (just a few miles east of india)
***while were in the neighborhood, lets go dropkick
China
Indonesia
***here is a great segue: what has caused immense suffering and death in the US over the past few decades??? DRUGS. so couldnt we call them weapons of mass distruction? sure we can...while were in such an ass-kicking mood, why dont we cruise on down to:
Bolivia (serious coca farms down there)
Peru (fujimori is unstable, and coca is plentiful)
as you can see, this promises to be a war-hawks dream come true. cant wait to get the bill! imagine, this country ready to lynch the president when they found out he got a blowjob in the oval office...cant wait to see the aftermath of this circus act.
flash
flash
you made some solid points there....and i agree that policing the world should not fall to the united states......i understand your point about all the different potential trouble spots,dictators,wpm`s....it`s painfully obvious that the cat is out of the bag bigtime....but,should we turn our backs on the situation...the rest of the world seems o.k. with that....don`t get me wrong,i agree that we can`t and shouldn`t do it all.....
but,i think that the middle east is a particularly nasty and potentially explosive flashpoint....and although,iraqi oil may not be the key issue(you can argue that),middle eastern oil certainly is...and as i said,israel and the middle east is particularly volatile...especially saddam who has shown the willingness to try and fan the flame of a full blown middle eastern muslim vs jew war....which becomes particularly more acute with many russian nuclear weapons from the cold war floating around on the black market....many would say that n.korea is more pressing...but just recently,china has been sending the n koreans suble hints(closing off their oil pipeline for awhile)that all the recent bluster has to stop....and it has...we have heard very little out of n.korea at a time when many thought they might become emboldened....
as i said,i agree with many of your points....these are not easy issues...maybe the war will turn out to be a terrible blunder....maybe it will be a good thing and rid the world of a vicious dictator and a threat.....
only time will tell.....i`m not an unreasonable guy
....g.l.
flash
you made some solid points there....and i agree that policing the world should not fall to the united states......i understand your point about all the different potential trouble spots,dictators,wpm`s....it`s painfully obvious that the cat is out of the bag bigtime....but,should we turn our backs on the situation...the rest of the world seems o.k. with that....don`t get me wrong,i agree that we can`t and shouldn`t do it all.....
but,i think that the middle east is a particularly nasty and potentially explosive flashpoint....and although,iraqi oil may not be the key issue(you can argue that),middle eastern oil certainly is...and as i said,israel and the middle east is particularly volatile...especially saddam who has shown the willingness to try and fan the flame of a full blown middle eastern muslim vs jew war....which becomes particularly more acute with many russian nuclear weapons from the cold war floating around on the black market....many would say that n.korea is more pressing...but just recently,china has been sending the n koreans suble hints(closing off their oil pipeline for awhile)that all the recent bluster has to stop....and it has...we have heard very little out of n.korea at a time when many thought they might become emboldened....
as i said,i agree with many of your points....these are not easy issues...maybe the war will turn out to be a terrible blunder....maybe it will be a good thing and rid the world of a vicious dictator and a threat.....
only time will tell.....i`m not an unreasonable guy
....g.l.Patron said:
Justify in taking the oil? Patron U really believe this? Dont get me started. Bush propaganda? I wont lay into UR a$$ but flip UR control over to Fox News and get off UR CBS,NBC and ABC Democratic stations. I hope U can come to some understanding as to why we are there. I dont know you but I dont have to know you when I can see UR behavior, Thats all I need to know.
Flash - here goes, I saved this just for you -
> > Something to Think about..........
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which
> > killed six and injured
> > > 1,000; President Clinton promised that those
> > responsible would be hunted
> > down
> > > and punished.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which
> > killed five U.S. military
> > > personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible
> > would be hunted down
> > and
> > > punished.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi
> > Arabia, which killed 19 and
> > > injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton
> > promised that those
> > responsible
> > > would be hunted down and punished.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in
> > Africa, which killed 224 and
> > > injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those
> > responsible! would be hunted
> > down
> > > and punished.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which
> > killed 17 and injured 39
> > U.S.
> > > sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible
> > would be hunted down and
> > > punished.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an
> > estimated 3,000 people in New
> > York,
> > > Pennsylvania and Washington, D.C. that are now
> > dead would be alive today.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And, now that Bush is taking action to bring these
> > people to justice, we
> > have
> > > opponents charging him with being a war monger...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > AN INTERESTING QUESTION:
> > >
> > > This question was raised on a Philly radio call-in
> > show. Without casting
> > > stones, it is a legitimate question.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There are two men, both extremely wealthy. One
> > develops relatively cheap
> > > software and gives billions of dollars to charity.
> > The other sponsors
> > > terrorism. That being the case, why was it that
> > the Clinton Administration
> > > spent more money chasing down Bill Gates over the
> > past eight years than
> > Osama
> > > bin Laden?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > THINK ABOUT IT!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is a strange turn of events.
> > >
> > > Hillary gets $8 Million for her forthcoming
> > memoir. Bill gets about $12
> > > Million for his memoir yet to be written. This
> > from two people who have
> > spent
> > > the past 8 years being unable to recall anything
> > about past events while
> > > under oath!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Cmdr Hamilton McWhorter
> > >
> > > USN(ret)
> > >
> > Something to Think about..........
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which
> > killed six and injured
> > > 1,000; President Clinton promised that those
> > responsible would be hunted
> > down
> > > and punished.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which
> > killed five U.S. military
> > > personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible
> > would be hunted down
> > and
> > > punished.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi
> > Arabia, which killed 19 and
> > > injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton
> > promised that those
> > responsible
> > > would be hunted down and punished.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in
> > Africa, which killed 224 and
> > > injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those
> > responsible! would be hunted
> > down
> > > and punished.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which
> > killed 17 and injured 39
> > U.S.
> > > sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible
> > would be hunted down and
> > > punished.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an
> > estimated 3,000 people in New
> > York,
> > > Pennsylvania and Washington, D.C. that are now
> > dead would be alive today.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And, now that Bush is taking action to bring these
> > people to justice, we
> > have
> > > opponents charging him with being a war monger...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > AN INTERESTING QUESTION:
> > >
> > > This question was raised on a Philly radio call-in
> > show. Without casting
> > > stones, it is a legitimate question.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There are two men, both extremely wealthy. One
> > develops relatively cheap
> > > software and gives billions of dollars to charity.
> > The other sponsors
> > > terrorism. That being the case, why was it that
> > the Clinton Administration
> > > spent more money chasing down Bill Gates over the
> > past eight years than
> > Osama
> > > bin Laden?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > THINK ABOUT IT!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is a strange turn of events.
> > >
> > > Hillary gets $8 Million for her forthcoming
> > memoir. Bill gets about $12
> > > Million for his memoir yet to be written. This
> > from two people who have
> > spent
> > > the past 8 years being unable to recall anything
> > about past events while
> > > under oath!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Cmdr Hamilton McWhorter
> > >
> > > USN(ret)
> > >
SLove I cant call myself a lefty. However a righty would not work either. But with Iraq there was a easy answer. We could have did the same with Iraq we had since end of 91 war. Since he never did anything to us since then. At least No one in our CIA/FBI said he had anything to do with 9/11. I cant remember him Nuking or Gasing us. If he became a problem to his neigbors or Europe. They could have taken care of him. Why were we needed. So nothing worked for over 12 years. How do we know it was not going to work another 100, 1000 years. I know everyone brings up he was not doing what UN said he was to. Anyone remember what that was. And I dont mean the last resolution. The one from 12 years ago. But wait why do we give a chit what the UN said. We just blew off the UN our selfs. I guess if words get placed just right we can have it both ways. Now ask me how I feal about N Korea if you think im a liberal. Or think becasue what I said here makes me any less a American then you.
DJV...Bush blew off the UN and for good reason...what the UN inspectors couldn't find and were toured around by people assigned by Saddam to take them to these different places our military forces found what the UN couldn't. Do I need to remind ya 3000 Chem suits...Bush said they have weapons of mass destruction and Saddam said No I dont and the UN says we didnt find any....well one of the first missles targeted and fired at the US trrops was one he said he did not have. Now we have barrels filled withchemical warfare, something Iraq and the UN said doesnt exist. Bush knew and he's acting on it to make it a safer America for all of us. Whats the difference? Clinton promised and did nothing but Bush promised and is acting on it. 20 % of Americans think Bush is a radical and an aggressor...then their is 80% whoi back him and keep seeing the lies and terror Saddam as well as Bin Ladin bring forth and will put an end to this. Even if skepticism people want to say their will never be an end...well peobably not but I will be damned if UR gonna spit in my face and watch me be all over UR ass. Its NOT about oil its about loyality and honoring UR country to make sure all of us will be safe. Can we ensure the safety of all..no, but I'm sure Saddam and Bin Ladin are wondering what kinda of shit they got themselves into
Bush's war planners could not have built up any momentum without Sept. 11. I don't wanna get too much into this right now, but the fact of the matter is -- which should be THE MOST crucial thing -- we can't find Bin Laden. WHERE THE FUKK IS BIN LADEN?? Instead, Bush's focusing to finish daddy's war.
SKEETER1 I think you missed more about what I was saying then just the UN's involvement. I never got to excited about the UN. A good reason why is just look at N Korea. I do worry more about someone like N Korea then Iraq. Believe with this 21 day Iraq war that was my perdiction. Will show I was right. N Korea has nukes is building more and trying dam hard to add just another 500 miles to there misslies so they will reach our west cost and more.
And no folks like Saddam and Bin Laden dont think. They order acts to be taken. They dont care if in the end you kill them. But there was one differance with Bin. He attacked us. N Korea is just dumb enough to do the same.
And no folks like Saddam and Bin Laden dont think. They order acts to be taken. They dont care if in the end you kill them. But there was one differance with Bin. He attacked us. N Korea is just dumb enough to do the same.
