There was one call made to the Texas ranch that Monday. However I don't pin this down and point at one place. The complete system failed. Fed's, State, Local. We once again did find the lines in our government that were to have been stream line. Were not. Maybe Brown is right about one thing. He said had he called and sent emails that stated. Help Were Under a Terror Attack. There blowing up the levees. He said every Tom Dick and Harry from the Pres on down would have come a running. And yet he said what was happening from this hurricane was worse then any attack we ever had. Over 90 Sq miles destroyed or close to it.
Libby throwing Cheney under the Bus?
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Not that easy guys. Theres alittle place call state of Mississippi that got same screw ups. Can't just blame NO. And here we are 6 months later and there not even close either place to much improvement. Unless both governors are full of it.
I do agree there is enough blame in this to go around for all (not just my usual suspects), there are reasons to focus on some things. One thing that I asked a long time ago, never personally researched, nor had answered, deals with the federal funding cuts for the oil areas off shore and levees in Louisiana. I wondered aloud if the oil areas in Texas had also been cut, or if they had been spared in the same timeframe.
Kind of reminding myself to look into this. I'm suspicious (as you can imagine) that things were not equal, and if not, that would be something to focus on. But I have no proof and without it I have no comparison complaint.
Kind of reminding myself to look into this. I'm suspicious (as you can imagine) that things were not equal, and if not, that would be something to focus on. But I have no proof and without it I have no comparison complaint.
Chadman said:
That money cut from the Corps of Engineers would have been a drop in the bucket in the overall scheme of things. Getting those levees to the point where they could/can withstand a cat 5 hurricane would/will take at least a decade and many billions of dollars.
That said, I find it kind of unbelievable that the cuts from the Corps in the current proposed budget are among the biggest.
I can buy the argument that every previous president has equally ignored the levees, but after what happened, how can this still be on the low priority list?
You look at that budget cut that passed and you will find many surprise that affect those who least can have it hit them. Including as you say above.
Apparently, the Dutch care more about their people then we do. They make our levee systems look like beaver dams.kosar said:
9-11 was a lot like Katrina. Bush mde sure his friends got rich after 9-11, now after Katrina he's making sure that people who don't matter and a city that he never cared for remains at risk.
I wish this were rhetoric, but numbers don't lie.
I completely concur: I think Brownie you're doing one Helluva job down here", about sums Bush up perfectly.
Here's one I just saw that can go on FEMA's side of the ledger.
Out of 24,000 trailers ordered and made, a whopping 1200 are in use. The other 22,800 are stuck in the mud in Arkansas with their frames bending and will likely have to be destroyed. They said it's almost a billion dollars worth.
We can talk about how FEMA is not necessarily responsible for first response, and that's true, but they are definitely responsible for the aftermath and this is just another failure.
Out of 24,000 trailers ordered and made, a whopping 1200 are in use. The other 22,800 are stuck in the mud in Arkansas with their frames bending and will likely have to be destroyed. They said it's almost a billion dollars worth.
We can talk about how FEMA is not necessarily responsible for first response, and that's true, but they are definitely responsible for the aftermath and this is just another failure.
Saw same and agree Matt--seems it would cost less to move them than pay the up to $400 in some cases--hotel bills, did you see total on $$$ lost by fraudulant claims so far--its a dozey also.
No doubt about the fraudulent claims. I think they said 9 million out of 25 million doled out on those 2,000 dollar debit cards were received by people with fake names, SSN, addresses...etc
And much of that spent in casinos, strip clubs, on guns etc......
Hopefully Chertoff was being truthful when he said the organization is being/has been revamped.
And much of that spent in casinos, strip clubs, on guns etc......
Hopefully Chertoff was being truthful when he said the organization is being/has been revamped.
kosar said:
Anyone who expects the government to help in times of disaster is a fool.
Where was FEMA during the Chicago fire, the San Francisco Earthquake, any other hundreds of earthquakes and tornados in our history. NOWHERE. It didn't exist. FEMA is a product of liberalism and it should never have existed.
Liberals suck at Mommy Government's tit, the milk has to drool out of their mouths and they are still not satisfied. Yep, end Homeland Security and give it back to the people where it belongs. That's what we have a Second Amendment for, except that liberals oh ho, they are so cute, so clever. End the "offensive homeland security (that they have perverted into being more perfumed toilet paper)" but they also want to remove the guns from the hands of law abiding citizens. You want it both ways, doncha? The only ones who want Mommy Government is - you got it - LIBERALS. Mommy wipe my nose, Mommy feed me, Mommy give me new toys, Mommy I want new clothes, I want a lap dance. Mommy give me drugs the methadone bus is late again. Mommy make all those bad conservatives understand me. Mommy make all those bad people stop hurting my feelings. Mommy give me a constitutional right not to be offended.
The first line of YOUR defense is YOU. The responsibility of feeding YOURself is YOU. The responsibility for YOUR safety is YOU. No liberal is going to change this no matter how they whine, cry, stamp their feet or shake their curls. At some point the house is going to be on fire and they will be faced with opening the door and walking out like men and women, or waiting for the firetrucks like infants in the crib.
END FEMA NOW
LUX said:
:iagree: :iagree:
All that this program does is turn us into a bunch of pansy crybabies uncapable of fending for ourselves and taking care of our families
never seen such a pathetic site as we saw in New Orleans
the products of socialism
congratulations leftists!!!
I agree. Remember those days of the cover wagon. Every one took care of them self while everyone else just watched. Well maybe not. At least then men were men and so were the woman.
Ya look at 9/11 some clown standing there with a meg-a-phone blowing smoke up our butts.
Ya look at 9/11 some clown standing there with a meg-a-phone blowing smoke up our butts.
LUX said:
I don't totally disagree, but if we DO have these programs, let's not waste a billion dollars on trailers sitting in mud.
And following this reasoning, let's not talk about all those busses sitting underwater or the lack of an evacuation plan because it's up to the individuals to get out of New Orleans. Hell, it's not the local governments responsibility to have a plan to get people out. It's not the states responsibility to call for the national guard. It's every man for himself! No money, no way to get out? F*ck you! Get your ass out to the overpass and we'll get to you when we get to you.
Fema has done a ton of good for a lot of people that needed it, but they, along with every other level of government and yes, individuals, totally screwed the pooch with Katrina.
BTW- funny signature. That shit sucked.
I'd have to say that the current administration has helped themselves to the "mommy government" buffet line pretty nicely, wouldn't you say, Lux & Freeze? I guess it's all a matter of perspective and which side of the gated community you sit on.
All I know is 3,000 died from 9-11 and we will never forget it and our lives have changed forever. 4,500 died from Katrina but we are supposed to forget that one as quickly as possible and nothing will be changed.
People have personal responsibility of course, but many of the victims in New Orleans may as well have been stranded on the 100th floor of Tower 1. For some reason, that was entirely their own fault according to many of you.
And yeah - mommy govt couldnt possible have givin any more titty milk to the oil industry and most wealthy people the last few years. For some reason, it doesn't seem to be the milk that bothers many of you - but rather those receiving it. You'd rather see it go wasted on people and companies who don't need any help whatsoever than to see it balance the budget and keep our economic balance in check. ....and god forbid any money is wasted on the poor. I mean since a small percentage of scamming the system that means the honest struggling people clearly shouldn't receive any help either. Much better and wiser to throw that dough at the super rich.
People have personal responsibility of course, but many of the victims in New Orleans may as well have been stranded on the 100th floor of Tower 1. For some reason, that was entirely their own fault according to many of you.
And yeah - mommy govt couldnt possible have givin any more titty milk to the oil industry and most wealthy people the last few years. For some reason, it doesn't seem to be the milk that bothers many of you - but rather those receiving it. You'd rather see it go wasted on people and companies who don't need any help whatsoever than to see it balance the budget and keep our economic balance in check. ....and god forbid any money is wasted on the poor. I mean since a small percentage of scamming the system that means the honest struggling people clearly shouldn't receive any help either. Much better and wiser to throw that dough at the super rich.
