Libby verdict in 15 minutes

gardenweasel

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Weasel, no problem, not really. Was just pointing it out to AR, who said earlier that he'd never seen you attack anyone personally. Just trying to help a brother out, ya know?

As for personal attacks, as long as they come from you, I consider them essentially stupid and harmless...:tongue ;) :D

I am curious, though...are you a big guy, short guy, what? You do seem to veer into "Little Man" syndrome sometimes...trying to demean others in a pretty, um, demeaning way. I guess somebody had to pick up the cause for Manson and Spibble-Dribble, though. For the record, I got nothing against short people. Just ones that call me moonbat...

kosar:""Yep-

Not sure if AR, despite hanging out in this area as much as anyone, could have possibly missed the incessant 'personal attacks' by GW.

He said he has not seen any.

At least you pointed it out. I mean, who cares, but people tend to turn a blind eye when they agree.""

this is addressed at kosar...

1)look,chad addressed me first.....i wouldn`t have responded to him if he hadn`t called me out...

2)i responded by saying that i was going to "school him"(as chad has said to me at least a few times)...and i attempted to make my explanation very basic....i was sarcastic...but hardly personally insulting.....

i mean,as a guy that`s been called "neocon" and "freak",i never take anything in this forum personally...

and btw,i said that if chad was insulted,that i apologized...

3)then,chad started with the "little man syndrome" thing and called me a "tribble":142smilie ...

now that`s a bridge to far... :nono: ...

seriously,guys....when i`m being sarcastic in responding to my moonbat peers,i do it with a big smile on my face...

c`mon.....the only ones i`m really nasty to are spytheweb(and i`m honestly serious about disliking this scrote) and spongy,because he has brass balls ,i like him and he gives as good as he gets....

i`d take all your backs in a serious set-to....

it`s me......ole g.w.....:grins:
 

kosar

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However like Matt this should have never went this far- when it became obvious there was no crime to begin with.

Have to call bullshit on this one, at least in relation to how you 'handle' other similar situations.

Getting a blow job isn't a crime either, but you rarely go a day without referring to Bubba.

Lying about it under oath is a crime, and that's what Bubba did(as you sooo constantly remind us). Libby didn't 'out' anybody, but he lied under oath. Yes, there was a 'crime' committed by Libby, but man, how weak.

Both prosecutors wanted to get something else and had to settle for this nonsense.

Same thing.

Both witch hunts were ridiculous, but it seems that you only think one was.


At least the weasel is consistent on this subject. (happens once a year, just like the summer solistice)
 

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At least the weasel is consistent on this subject. (happens once a year, just like the summer solistice)

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On the eve of the summer solstice, Weasel is shown to the right, floating in outer space preparing to descend for his one big day in the sun.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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There was a diff Matt--the intial case involving Bill beiieve it was Flowers--so many can't be sure--was settled when Bill paid her off to avoid civil suit--
and as I said I don't think Libby should be given pass just because there was no crime initially--however I do find a diff of remote possiblity he may have been confused on timeline--whereas when Bill got up in your face with the ole :nono: there was absolutely no doubt.--and when you catch him blantantly lying about that--makes you wonder how he and hilliary can be innocent in Whitewater when all others were gulity--and his no quid pro quo on Rich pardon was as bad as his :nono: episode

back to topic
Thought this interesting from Novak

A Verdict on the Wilson Affair

By Robert D. Novak
Thursday, March 8, 2007; A23



Denis Collins, a Washington journalist on the Scooter Libby jury, described sentiments in the jury room reflecting those in the Senate Democratic cloakroom: "It was said a number of times. . . . Where's Rove? Where are these other guys?" Besides presidential adviser Karl Rove, he surely meant Vice President Cheney and maybe President Bush. Oddly, the jurors appeared uninterested in hearing from Richard Armitage, the source of the CIA leak.

"It's about time," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, rejoicing in the guilty verdicts against Libby, that "someone in the Bush administration has been held accountable for the campaign to manipulate intelligence and discredit war critics." But Libby was found guilty only of lying about how he learned of Valerie Plame's identity. Reid and Democratic colleagues were after much bigger game than Cheney's chief of staff.

Democrats had been slow to react to my column of July 14, 2003, which reported that former diplomat Joseph Wilson's mission to Niger was suggested by his CIA employee wife, Valerie Plame Wilson. By September, when the Justice Department began investigating the CIA leak, Democrats smelled another Iran-contra affair or Watergate. They were wrong.

The Libby trial uncovered no plot hatched in the White House. The worst news Tuesday for firebrand Democrats was that Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald was going back to his "day job" (as U.S. attorney in Chicago). With no underlying crime even claimed, the only question was whether Libby had consciously and purposefully lied to FBI agents and the grand jury about how he learned of Mrs. Wilson's identity.

While my column on Wilson's mission triggered Libby's misery, I played but a minor role in his trial. Subpoenaed by his defense team, I testified that I had phoned him in reporting the Wilson column and that he had said nothing about Wilson's wife. Other journalists said the same thing under oath, but we apparently made no impression on the jury.

The trial provided no information whatsoever about Valerie Plame's status at the CIA at the time I revealed her role in her husband's mission. No hard evidence was produced that Libby was ever told she was undercover. Fitzgerald had argued that whether or not she was covert was not material to this trial, and U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton had so ruled. Yet in his closing argument, Fitzgerald referred to Mrs. Wilson's secret status, and in answer to a reporter's question after the verdict, he said she was "classified."

In fact, her being classified -- that is, that her work was a government secret -- did not in itself meet the standard required for prosecution of the leaker (former deputy secretary of state Armitage) under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982. That statute limits prosecution to exposers of covert intelligence activities overseas, whose revelation would undermine U.S. intelligence. That is why Fitzgerald did not move against Armitage.

Some questions I was asked in television and radio interviews after the verdict implied that I had revealed Armitage's name to Fitzgerald.

Actually, in my first interview with Fitzgerald after he was named special prosecutor, he indicated that he knew Armitage was my leaker. I assumed that was the product of detective work by the FBI. In fact, Armitage had turned himself in to the Justice Department three months before Fitzgerald entered the case, without notifying the White House or releasing me from my requirement of confidentiality.

On Fox's "Hannity & Colmes" Tuesday night, superlawyer David Boies said Fitzgerald never should have prosecuted Libby because there was no underlying criminal violation. Boies scoffed at Fitzgerald's contention that Libby had obstructed him from exposing criminal activity. Boies, who represented Al Gore in the 2000 election dispute, is hardly a Bush sympathizer. But neither is he a Democratic partisan trying to milk this obscure scandal.

George W. Bush lost control of this issue when he permitted a special prosecutor to make decisions that, unlike going after a drug dealer or Mafia kingpin, turned out to be inherently political. It would have taken courage for the president to have aborted this process. It would require even more courage for him to pardon Scooter Libby now, and not while he is walking out of the White House in January 2009.
 
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