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[shamrock]

I was wrong, it was 1998, that human embryonic stem cells were first isolated, by Dr. Thompson at Wisconsin. Sorry I was off by 2 years.

Thomson's research
Since joining the Wisconsin Regional Primate Research Center, he has conducted pioneering work in the isolation and culture of non-human primate and human embryonic stem cells, undifferentiated cells that have the ability to become any of the cells that make up the tissues of the body. Dr. Thomson directed the group that reported the first isolation of embryonic stem cell lines from a non-human primate in 1995, work that led his group to the first successful isolation of human embryonic stem cell lines in 1998.

On November 6, 1998, Science published the results of his research, "Embryonic Stem Cell Lines Derived from Human Blastocysts". [1] Thomson's research was not subject of any federal funds, but sparked a debate about the ability of the National Institute of Health's ability to fund human embryonic stem cell research.

Both the non-human primate and human embryonic stem cells issued as patents. The patents were assigned to the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation. Since the primate stem cells were funded with a federal grant, the Federal government has a non-exclusive, non-transferable paid up license under the Bayh-Dole Act. The human embryonic stem cells were funded privately by Geron Corp. and by a grant from WARF. Geron now has an exclusive license to six of the cell lines.

After the patent issued for human embryonic stem cells, Time put Thomson on the cover. [2]

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[kosar]

I was wrong, it was 1998, that human embryonic stem cells were first isolated, by Dr. Thompson at Wisconsin. Sorry I was off by 2 years.

Thomson's research
Since joining the Wisconsin Regional Primate Research Center, he has conducted pioneering work in the isolation and culture of non-human primate and human embryonic stem cells, undifferentiated cells that have the ability to become any of the cells that make up the tissues of the body. Dr. Thomson directed the group that reported the first isolation of embryonic stem cell lines from a non-human primate in 1995, work that led his group to the first successful isolation of human embryonic stem cell lines in 1998.

On November 6, 1998, Science published the results of his research, "Embryonic Stem Cell Lines Derived from Human Blastocysts". [1] Thomson's research was not subject of any federal funds, but sparked a debate about the ability of the National Institute of Health's ability to fund human embryonic stem cell research.

Both the non-human primate and human embryonic stem cells issued as patents. The patents were assigned to the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation. Since the primate stem cells were funded with a federal grant, the Federal government has a non-exclusive, non-transferable paid up license under the Bayh-Dole Act. The human embryonic stem cells were funded privately by Geron Corp. and by a grant from WARF. Geron now has an exclusive license to six of the cell lines.

After the patent issued for human embryonic stem cells, Time put Thomson on the cover. [2]

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Freeze said it's been around for 'ages', so let's not get bogged down in facts.

 

[dr. freeze]

Freeze said it's been around for 'ages', so let's not get bogged down in facts.

isolated and discovered are 2 different things

 

[shamrock]

Freeze, maybe I'm a idiot, but please explain, you said you have been working with them for ages.

How is it possible to actually work with them before they are even isolated, to be worked with?

 

[kosar]

isolated and discovered are 2 different things

And discovering oil and refining it are 2 different things.

Doesn't there have to be progress in between the two elements?

You don't seem to have any problem pouring more billions more into the SDI program, even though that's produced nothing.

Do you actually consider embroyos humans?

 

[dr. freeze]

Freeze, maybe I'm a idiot, but please explain, you said you have been working with them for ages.

How is it possible to actually work with them before they are even isolated, to be worked with?

"stem cell" can mean an embryonic stem cell, a marrow "stem cell" or other stem cells

we have been working with different stem cells for ages and have a long way to go before we understand what is going on molecularly

with regards to human life, i am doubtful that this morally constitutues any life but still unsure....l but DO realize that there are tremendous ethical issues at stake/issue and at this point i think this stuff is very frankensteinian

for a politician to even think about this as an issue is outrageous as there are more promising areas to invest money right now with more immediate results with ZERO ethical issues

but if a politician can latch onto a seemingly good story which drives a wedge between he and the other guy it doesn't really matter as long as he can get a majority to believe him and getting that majoritity is an easy sell in this instance

 

[dr. freeze]

And discovering oil and refining it are 2 different things.

Doesn't there have to be progress in between the two elements?

You don't seem to have any problem pouring more billions more into the SDI program, even though that's produced nothing.

Do you actually consider embroyos humans?

federal government functions include defense more so than health care research which i believe is better taken on at a private/state level

we need to understand mature cells more and exactly what goes on molecularly and genetically so that if and when we start handling stem cells we know what we are doing rather than just using a shotgun approach

 

[shamrock]

Your correct, there are adult stem cells, umbilical cord stem cells, and embryonic stem cells. Regarding everything recent, government funding etc. everyone is referring to EMBRYONIC STEM CELLS. there never was any public debate about adult or cord stem cells.

 

[dr. freeze]

Your correct, there are adult stem cells, umbilical cord stem cells, and embryonic stem cells. Regarding everything recent, government funding etc. everyone is referring to EMBRYONIC STEM CELLS. there never was any public debate about adult or cord stem cells.

still, we have had those around for quite some time and not much has come out of them

not sure why the controversial ones woudl bear results if we cant get less involved ones to do so

the only ones that do, are marrow cells with somewhat limited results and those are extremely easy in comparison to work with

 

[Chadman]

save your breath,dtb.....if you want to punish yourself,go out and buy a few dixie chicks/green day c.d.`s...

What the Hell does this have to do with anything of value? Have you listened to either group's CD's to any degree? You handpick two of the very best groups of the past 5 years and throw that out? Have you actually LISTENED to any of either, or just read the right wing complaints about the Chicks and said that they are worthy of listening punishment? If you cared to become familiar with either then that's fine - maybe you have. But the new Chicks album was written by two well-respected writers, musically that are not even members of the band. And Green Day? They do some terrific rock songs, of musical value, if nothing else.

Jesus, you want to agree to disagree about some things? This kind of thing just gets under my skin. This is the kind of thing that would have kept Elvis and the Beatles from being heard. John Lennon, what a tool, eh?

 

[ImFeklhr]

What's New
A Tale of Two Hypocrites
Matthew Dailey



by Matthew Dailey

Democratic voters in Connecticut on Tuesday will have the last word in a hotly contested primary. They get to chose between two hypocrites, Sen. Joe Lieberman or Ned Lamont.

Despite being opponents in the primary, both Lieberman and Lamont agreed that criticizing Wal-Mart is a great way to pander to Democratic voters.

Both Lieberman and Lamont attended a Wake-Up Wal-Mart rally last week in Bridgeport, Connecticut, part of a union-backed campaign to pressure the company to offer higher wages and more health care coverage.

While going after Wal-Mart, Lamont forgot to mention that he owns part of the company (via Washington Times):

Mr. Lamont and his wife jointly own two accounts containing as much as $16,000 in Wal-Mart stock. Their Wal-Mart holdings spin off as much as $3,500 in annual dividends. In addition, a trust fund he set up for one of his children contains as much as $15,000 in Wal-Mart stock and spins off as much as $1,000 in dividends.

In his remarks at the anti-Wal-Mart rally this week, Mr. Lamont never mentioned his shareholder status in the company. He did, however, criticize Mr. Lieberman for not doing more during this three terms in the Senate to help the workers he says are so mistreated by Wal-Mart.

Senator Lieberman also benefited from Wal-Mart (via PaidCritics.com):

In 2003 and 2004, Senator Lieberman?s presidential campaign took advantage of the low prices Wal-Mart offers, spending $776 at Wal-Mart and $2,791 at Sam's Club.

 

[dawgball]

ImFeklhr -- i am having a really hard time pulling relevance out of that story.

Burn him at the stake! He bought shit at Wal-Mart!

I would be willing to bet that more than half of the attendees to this rally have made purchases there.

And I may be missing something, but how does $16K in stock holdings yield $3,500 in dividends? If they did, then his kid's trust fund needs to call investor relations for only getting $1,000 on a $15,000 holding.

 

[gardenweasel]

What the Hell does this have to do with anything of value? Have you listened to either group's CD's to any degree? You handpick two of the very best groups of the past 5 years and throw that out? Have you actually LISTENED to any of either, or just read the right wing complaints about the Chicks and said that they are worthy of listening punishment? If you cared to become familiar with either then that's fine - maybe you have. But the new Chicks album was written by two well-respected writers, musically that are not even members of the band. And Green Day? They do some terrific rock songs, of musical value, if nothing else.

Jesus, you want to agree to disagree about some things? This kind of thing just gets under my skin. This is the kind of thing that would have kept Elvis and the Beatles from being heard. John Lennon, what a tool, eh?

damn,chad..........insults and innuendo being thrown around like ape-shit in the monkey cage at the zoo and my harmless comment on the dixie chicks and green day makes you want to beat me like i owe you money?......

lmao.....i`m sorry bud...... i had no idea that comment would get your hackles up.....

chill,my friend...

 

[ImFeklhr]

ImFeklhr -- i am having a really hard time pulling relevance out of that story.

Burn him at the stake! He bought shit at Wal-Mart!

I would be willing to bet that more than half of the attendees to this rally have made purchases there.

And I may be missing something, but how does $16K in stock holdings yield $3,500 in dividends? If they did, then his kid's trust fund needs to call investor relations for only getting $1,000 on a $15,000 holding.

I'll pass at burning him at the stake. I could care less where he shops. Just illistrating that they are both typical politicians playing the game.

Basically, while fresh blood would be great in Washington, these two guys are not all that much different.

Typical pandering. They are the people in power, but they can't even get their straight. Do they want the jobs and business from WalMart or not?

As for the specific investment numbers, I don't know. It's from some Washington Times article.

Just found it interesting. Nothing mind shattering. :shrug:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

from the grapevine---

Tables Turned?

Connecticut Democratic Senator Joe Lieberman ? who's now running for re-election as an independent ? now leads the man who beat him in the Democratic primary by 12 points in a poll of likely voters of both parties.

Lieberman tops liberal Democrat Ned Lamont 53 percent to 41 percent in a new Quinnipiac poll, winning the support of 75 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, Lamont is working hard to recast himself as a more moderate Democrat for the general election. In a Wall Street Journal article, Lamont says he believes in employer-based universal health care, which would "[provide] tax benefits to small businesses so they can provide insurance without risking bankruptcy."

But Lamont blasted Lieberman for the same tax benefit plan three months ago saying, "He generally has not embraced a lot of the Democratic goals."

 

[dawgball]

Yeah, IM.

I just didn't understand the story much. I don't think someone has to necessarily support Wal-Mart just because they have shopped there. And the investment numbers didn't add up but there is probably insufficient info to deduce anything.

 

[Chadman]

gw, I'm not sure what got me so torqued up that day. Maybe it was our once-a-month Manson visit and I was on a tirade. 90% chance I was drinking. Note to self: remember to unplug keyboard when drinking.

The most disturbing thing is I invoked the name of Lennon (NOT LENIN, CHARLES) while discussing the Chicks and Green Day. :scared

 

[djv]

I see Republican candidate may drop out. Heck his own party does not even support him.

 

[Nick Douglas]

To me this is a sad story about the power of incumbancy. I mean, this guy Lieberman is so entrenched in the power circles of Washington that he's impossible to remove even after being rejected by his party.

I hope the polls end up swinging Lamont's way because Lieberman is anti-wrestling and anti-gambling (two things I adore). The less cultural conservatives in the Senate the better, I say.

 

[smurphy]

Lieberman also showed himself to be a whiny bitch of late.