Lieberman

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Big election today--While I will be pulling for Joe--however a loss would be big plus for GOP.

Every left winger is out against Joe and appears Jessie and his crew also.

"Several well-known black leaders, including Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Rep. Maxine Waters (news, bio, voting record) of California, will help get out the black vote for Lamont in a race that could turn on which side does a better job of getting supporters to the polls."

 

[StevieD]

Gotta vote this guy out. A loss for Lieberman would be a huge loss to the Bush crowd. See Dogs post above, he is already trying to spin it.

 

[smurphy]

Leiberman will run as an independent if he loses this one. That could actually help him in the long run.

Geez DTB, god forbid some black leaders get involved. What is so outrageous about what you quoted? Are you suggesting that Republican groups don't organize the same way for their candidates? Are you on planet Earth?

 

[kosar]

Yeah, that would be a huge win for the GOP that some unknown guy beats out an 18 year incumbent running on one, and only one issue. Lamont being against the Iraq war.

I don't really care about this race either way, but it definitely shows how *most* people are feeling about this occupation.

And yeah, black people should not be organizing anything and they should not be trying to get people to the polls. That's just silly.

 

[djv]

Leiberman's web site somehow goes down on election day? That kiss from Bush might be his death. But for some reason I believe late tonight he pulls it out by such a low number. The call goes out right a way for re-count.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Again such intellignent individuals can't see the light. Liberman is not reb running against dem --it moderate dem running against the Dean crowd.

Let me see if we can get a nibble on a wager to prove my point.
Just saw Dem stratagist agree with several here in saying that it if Lamont wins it will be vote against how country has been run since GW got in office in 2000.

"IF" Lamont wins primary i'll make wager he gets less % of vote in 08 than Lieberman did in 2000. Any one want back their convictions with a friendly wager.
The GOP candidate prob won't win Conn but he will carry bulk of mod dems and independents.

Any takers?

 

[StevieD]

No wager because you can't trust the Bush crowd when it comes to elections. And 2000 was before Lieberman turned.

 

[kosar]

Again such intellignent individuals can't see the light. Liberman is not reb running against dem --it moderate dem running against the Dean crowd.

Let me see if we can get a nibble on a wager to prove my point.
Just saw Dem stratagist agree with several here in saying that it if Lamont wins it will be vote against how country has been run since GW got in office in 2000.

"IF" Lamont wins primary i'll make wager he gets less % of vote in 08 than Lieberman did in 2000. Any one want back their convictions with a friendly wager.
The GOP candidate prob won't win Conn but he will carry bulk of mod dems and independents.

Any takers?

Not quite sure I follow that post, Wayne. I tried, buddy.

Did you mean '06', when you said '08?'

And not sure how you can compare 2000 and 2006 elections by % of vote, or whatever.

Also, are you saying that Lieberman is part of the Dean crowd? Or Lamont is?

Whatever the case, there is only one issue in that race and that's Iraq.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I'm saying Lamont is part of Dean crowd back by Soros money.

I'm also saying the anti war movement will be a negative factor in 08 elections--and the far left will only get same votes they always get and modrates and independents will abandon party.

The wager--I'm speaking of % of votes Leiberman got in 2000 Senate general election vs % Lamont will receive in 08 senate general election.

I believe Liebermans current seat in general election comes in 08--if nov of 06 I'll go with either date Lamonts runs vs gop candidate.

 

[kosar]

You're making me dizzy on this one, my man. I'm going to have to bow out.

 

[smurphy]

Let's look at this from a different perspective: A "lifetime politician" may lose. A "tenured" senator might actually get knocked out. That's good news. Any dent in the complacent congress is good. We always complain how they all need to be replaced - well here's one longshot replacement that just might happen. Would be refreshing, regardless of the intricicies of what it means to each party.

 

[Chadman]

As much as I want the Website "hacking" to be Bush's fault, I'm wondering something else. Isn't the challenger a multi-millionaire Cable TV honcho or something? Does that company have control of the Conneticut Internet access, like many do? I have not read many conspiracy theories here, just trying to connect some small dots. If anything, sounds like the challenger or someone close to him could be the guy to blame, if you subscribe to that theory.

I can comfort myself, much like Wayne does with Clinton, with the fact that Dubbya is ultimately responsible for all the bad things in the world, so you may have a point with him being responsible, though...

:SIB

 

[AR182]

i think lieberman will win tonight, or win as an independent in november.

but imo, the dems will be making a major blunder if they fail to pick lieberman today. it will set the party back about 20 years. simiiar to the damage the mcgovern (who i voted for) nomination did in 1972.

this vote will set the standard on how the dems will be perceived by others across this country, particular the independent voters. and no matter how awful the republicans have been, the american people will still pick them over a democratic liberal agenda.

the guy's track record is that he has voted 90% in agreement with the democrats..what more do they want.

 

[shamrock]

although Lamont is definitely a threat, I seriously doubt Joe loses All 5 major Connecticut newspapers have endorsed him strongly, including the Greenwich Paper which is Lamont s hometown.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Wasn't looking for wager from anyone currently in this thread--but a couple others.

Lieberman pulled over 63% of vote in 2000--tough act to follow.
Very respected politician by both parties.
No way Lamont would/will remotely tally that count.Will lose lots of moderate dems and independents--

 

[AR182]

Gotta vote this guy out. A loss for Lieberman would be a huge loss to the Bush crowd.

no..this is a loss for the democratic party. too bad you can't see this.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Totally agree with you on independent ticket AR--and would not be surprised if he got more votes than Lamont (if he wins) and gop candidate combined-however would not wager on it but would wager Lamont would come in last out of the 3.

 

[AR182]

Totally agree with you on independent ticket AR--and would not be surprised if he got more votes than Lamont (if he wins) and gop candidate combined-however would not wager on it but would wager Lamont would come in last out of the 3.

i would put money on lieberman in a 3 way race..do you think books would have a line on this ?

 

[smurphy]

but imo, the dems will be making a major blunder if they fail to pick lieberman today. it will set the party back about 20 years. simiiar to the damage the mcgovern (who i voted for) nomination did in 1972.

It's not exactly up to the "democratic party". It's up to individuals in 1 small state to vote their conscious. The larger thoughts about the party should not be part of their decision process at the polls.

I'd love to see incumbents from all parties get dumped. We shouldn't vote out of fear for what will happen to our parties. That way of thinking gives us Bush, Teddy K, and all the other assholes ruining the country.

New blood is good. Change is necessary.

 

[Chadman]

I would agree that a loss by Lieberman in this primary would be a reasonable loss for the Democratic party. The man is entrenched in many important areas in the political arena and to lose someone so respected and connected would have to hurt the party. Compare that to a new face with no connections and no clout? Loss for democrats, even if they win in November.