Life Insurence ????

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If you have a wife, and especially children, you NEED life insurance.

-tell them you smoke.
-pay the difference.
-when you quit for 1 year let them know.

Insurance companies are bastards - even if you're just "Joe Schmo"!!

Good Luck!! :canada1
 

Sun Tzu

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Have 2 million term and 1 million whole with a nice investment portion and am in my 40s.

Maybe there are better investements for the premiums, but with a non-working wife and very young kids I dont want to be 60 and have zip for insurance.
 

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Have 2 million term and 1 million whole with a nice investment portion and am in my 40s.

Maybe there are better investements for the premiums, but with a non-working wife and very young kids I dont want to be 60 and have zip for insurance.

exactly
 

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I agree with Agent. Everyone's situation is different, you can't just throw everyone into the same category like Dave Ramsey does. Term policies only pay out around 2% of the time (correct me if I'm wrong agent) because people drop them when they expire because they can't afford the premiums when they get older. With whole life, you lock in your rate and insurability. Why shouldn't a young healthy person do this? It's not a good short term investment, but when you're 50 you can save a ton of $$$ versus the premiums you would be paying for term. The problem with 6-5's reasoning is that most people aren't disiplined enough to invest that $50 they are saving, it usually goes to their bookie. :)
 

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...assuming that we are all gamblers here, let me put the insurance question into perspective....


(...while I understand that life insurance can be a backbone of a strong portfolio...long term, I agree with 6'5" in that if you manage your portfolio, term is much better way to go then UL or whole life...remember, you don't have to wait until the term policy expires to get another one. ;) )


...in gambler's terms, you're betting that you're going to die before your premuims, including interest, will surpass the face value of the policy, right? :shrug: The insurance company has 2 outs.... Either you outlive your policy...or you quit paying and lapse the policy.... Unless I had dependents that would suffer if I died, there's no way I would take that side of the wager. ;)
 

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Here is something not mentioned.....

Here is something not mentioned.....

I sell life insurance and am not afraid to say it. F*ck it, everyone needs it. One thing you are forgetting......
We are in a term craze and it seems that each day term insurance keeps getting cheaper and cheaper. Why is this??? May be its because only 2% of all term policies are ever paid out.
My advice: Get with a financial planner and use a prodcut as a solution to your problem.

** people forget that, if you are with a top quality company, the dividend is normally sufficient to pay for the premiums in 12-15 yrs in a WL contract. Aim for MassMutual, Northwestern, NY Life ect.
** Guaranteed UL products are also nice.
 

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I will also say...

I will also say...

that Primerica agents are ruining the insurance business. Their philosophies are hideous. Anyone not familiar, this used to be the old AL Williams.
 

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but I use several different companies on the life ins side.
 

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Heaven, oh!!, this isn't it?!
-Something you might want to ask your agent about is relatively new product called ROP (return of premium) term
Cost between term and permant but very simple plan based on quarantees--if you die in term period--death benefit applies--if you live to end of term period they return all your premiums.

Nobody else picked up on this, so I will ask this:SIB

What do you guys see as the downfall to this program, and where can I find this?

Thanks DTB,

Franky
 

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Nobody else picked up on this, so I will ask this:SIB

What do you guys see as the downfall to this program, and where can I find this?

Thanks DTB,

Franky

Not really a downfall, if you can afford the extra premium. It is quite a bit higher than normal term. But, as long as you live through it, you get ALL your premium back.

You see, an old wise tale is that insurance carriers make money from premium collected vs claims paid, and that couldnt be further from the truth. Especially in auto/home circles, companies routinely have loss ratios in the 100-120% range, or in other words pay out $1.15 for every $1.00 collected. They don't make money from underwriting, they make it from the investment structure, and using your money to make money.

So the Return of Premium policy is a great deal for them, as they just have more of your money to work with.

Anyone seen 6-5?:SIB


P.S. Franky, at your age it's too much of a gamble, you surely wont live long enough...:scared
 

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ROP....

ROP....

Although I am an agent, I know that the insurance company will make their dough. If it were the best bargain, everyone would buy it. Going back to what I said earlier. I am not biased towards any particular product. I USE PRODUCTS AS A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM. Therefore, I sell term, UL, VUL, WL, SUL, ect. Let the prodcut fit your financial profile.
* People on Wallstreet are buying WL everyday. Why? Because it will smoke your short-term investments. (Bonds, cash ect).
 

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maybe Agent can set up a Kiosk at the Tropicana and sell life insurance during the SuperBowl Party..:142smilie
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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Now don't be getting on 6-5 Agent :)

For young families starting out without a lot of discretionary income I'd say term would be best route in most cases--but will agree with you permanant most definately has its place. amazingly most permanant products I write are on older people-many above 60--whose term ran out.

--have had a little lull with the revamping of estate taxes--but think they will be returned to days of old--unfortunately.

Franky--I like the ROP term for people in mid 30's 40's-- that are good candidates for estate problems later--they pay the term premium--if they die benificiary gets proceeds--if they don't they have 2 alternatives--if they want permanant plan and health warrents it they can dump the cash back lump sum into universal life and premium won't be much diff than if they took it out 20/30 years ago--if they don't need it they got nice little bonus for retirement.

Agent-- Have a story to share with you. I have nest of wealthy clients in little town up north of BG--most old money or made a lot in coal--however they don't like things they can't understand--Can't talk to them in terms they couldn't understand--or be to analytical. had most of their health insurance for years and was playing golf with one oneday and he asked me about estate taxes and tells me that he and several others had been to seminar but couldn't grasp concept and didn't like dealing with strangers.
He ask me if I stop by afterwards and look over material they gave everyone and try to explain to him what guy was talking about.
I stopped by after golf and this guy had about 20 papers with charts-graphs-IRS codes you name it--enough info to confuse a banker.I'm sitting there wondering where to start--(you don't ask these people their net worth--and the better the friend the more it applies.)
I turn paper on blank side and tell Ed--I'm going to make this as simple as I can--If you don't have trust after you and wife die you will pay about X% in taxes to gov on any assetts you have over X amount. Now if you choose rather than give it to gov you can take small amounts out of taxable amount and give (at that time $10,000) to each of your kids--which I would suggest you do immediately if not doing so already--and if you want to and your health allows you--you can consider alternative-compound the $10,000 via life insurance tax free to them-told him if he'd like to know about 2nd option to call me and I'd run some quotes.


So only thing I left him was sheet of paper with Estate taxes cap and % he would owe of any amount over.
Next day he called and said when I was in town next week - to drop by his house. I did--showed him the figures--only thing he asked was -I have 4 children--does that mean I can do $10,000 for each one?
I said yep--and this was just the beginging--as with small nest word gets around--several others from country club called in the following month--and most of their calls was "wayne I got X amount of kids--will you run one of those on me. Seldom did amount of insurance ever enter the picture--all premiums were based on amount per child.
They won-their children won-I won--and the feds got hosed--a happy ending :)
 

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Now don't be getting on 6-5 Agent :)

For young families starting out without a lot of discretionary income I'd say term would be best route in most cases--but will agree with you permanant most definately has its place. amazingly most permanant products I write are on older people-many above 60--whose term ran out.

--have had a little lull with the revamping of estate taxes--but think they will be returned to days of old--unfortunately.

Franky--I like the ROP term for people in mid 30's 40's-- that are good candidates for estate problems later--they pay the term premium--if they die benificiary gets proceeds--if they don't they have 2 alternatives--if they want permanant plan and health warrents it they can dump the cash back lump sum into universal life and premium won't be much diff than if they took it out 20/30 years ago--if they don't need it they got nice little bonus for retirement.

Agent-- Have a story to share with you. I have nest of wealthy clients in little town up north of BG--most old money or made a lot in coal--however they don't like things they can't understand--Can't talk to them in terms they couldn't understand--or be to analytical. had most of their health insurance for years and was playing golf with one oneday and he asked me about estate taxes and tells me that he and several others had been to seminar but couldn't grasp concept and didn't like dealing with strangers.
He ask me if I stop by afterwards and look over material they gave everyone and try to explain to him what guy was talking about.
I stopped by after golf and this guy had about 20 papers with charts-graphs-IRS codes you name it--enough info to confuse a banker.I'm sitting there wondering where to start--(you don't ask these people their net worth--and the better the friend the more it applies.)
I turn paper on blank side and tell Ed--I'm going to make this as simple as I can--If you don't have trust after you and wife die you will pay about X% in taxes to gov on any assetts you have over X amount. Now if you choose rather than give it to gov you can take small amounts out of taxable amount and give (at that time $10,000) to each of your kids--which I would suggest you do immediately if not doing so already--and if you want to and your health allows you--you can consider alternative-compound the $10,000 via life insurance tax free to them-told him if he'd like to know about 2nd option to call me and I'd run some quotes.


So only thing I left him was sheet of paper with Estate taxes cap and % he would owe of any amount over.
Next day he called and said when I was in town next week - to drop by his house. I did--showed him the figures--only thing he asked was -I have 4 children--does that mean I can do $10,000 for each one?
I said yep--and this was just the beginging--as with small nest word gets around--several others from country club called in the following month--and most of their calls was "wayne I got X amount of kids--will you run one of those on me. Seldom did amount of insurance ever enter the picture--all premiums were based on amount per child.
They won-their children won-I won--and the feds got hosed--a happy ending :)




Nice! Somehow missed this earlier....
 

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great story dtb...congrats on the business..next time i see you drinks are definitely on you (lol).

btw...i was a very big life writer(been out of the business for 15 years). the very fist thing that i learned in sales class...was the kiss method of sales.and all of my presentations were very simple & to the point.

some these salesmen have no grasp of who they are talking to...they think if they recite from the sales books that they read they will automatically make a sale.....these "salesmen by the book" have no feeling of whom they are talking to & no grasp of personality.

again great story..dtb.

and i would advise anybody who is interested in purcahsing life insurance to find a person that you are comfortble with..somebody who will talk to you & not over you...& go from there.most life products from life ins. companies are pretty similiar.
 

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Great advice AL--and I would say that goes double in rural america.
I believe if memory serves me correctly--you did lot of work in New York--yes? Believe I'd have difficult time there--they'd be asking me which turnup truck I came in on :D
 
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