Lions must dig for gems in all rounds of the draft

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The NFL draft is three months away, and I'm already exhausted from the endless hot air of what the Lions MUST do with their early picks.How can there be any absolutes before next month's combine in Indianapolis and the individual workouts?

They MUST take an offensive lineman, they CAN'T take a quarterback.

How can anybody logically suggest on Jan. 26 that any prospect is clearly the best overall, regardless of position, before the evaluative process has begun?

They CAN'T.

A football doctorate isn't required for appreciating the value of an excellent offensive line. You must dominate at the point of attack. But those who adamantly insist that the Lions' surest path toward respectability is stockpiling an offensive line with first- and second-round draft picks should look at the starting offensive lines of the Super Bowl participants -- Pittsburgh and Arizona.

There is one first-round draft pick -- Arizona right tackle Levi Brown, selected fifth overall in 2007.

There is one second-round pick -- Cardinals right guard Deuce Lutui was the 41st player selected in 2006.

There are two starters who went undrafted -- Arizona center Lyle Sendlein and Pittsburgh right guard Darnell Stapleton -- and three others who were sixth-round selections.

Look at what arguably are the three best offensive lines during the regular season when factoring in two important criteria: NFL rank in rushing offense and fewest sacks allowed.

Atlanta, Tennessee and Carolina were the highest-ranked offensive lines applying the above-mentioned parameters. The Falcons used a first-round and second-round pick on the left side of the offensive line. But their center (Todd McClure) and right tackle and right guard (Tyson Clabo and Harvey Dahl) were either taken in the seventh round or were undrafted free agents.

The highest-drafted player on the Titans' starting offensive line was left tackle Michael Roos, a second-round selection. But he plays beside a guard (Eugene Amano) drafted by Tennessee in the seventh round.

The Panthers' offensive line resembles the Lions' in that they have dual first-round picks at tackle (Jordan Gross and rookie Jeff Otah) and a second-round choice at center (Ryan Kalil).

But all similarities end there because Carolina invested high draft choices on linemen who are ... good.

The true measure of a front office's capacity for talent evaluation is finding those quality interior linemen deep into the draft. That was the Lions' biggest personnel failure during the Matt Millen error, excuse me, era.

And that's where general manager Martin Mayhew can best separate himself from his notorious predecessor. Can he alleviate the public trauma of potentially not selecting Alabama left tackle Andre Smith with the first overall selection by striking second-day drafting gold?

The fallacy in the search for the No. 1 pick overall is this misguided notion of a "safe choice." There is no such sanctuary when you're possibly committing as much as $34 million in up-front rookie signing bonus money.

Should the Lions deem Smith the most worthy of the first selection overall, he had better quickly become the second coming of Orlando Pace or Jonathan Ogden. That's the only way the Lions could fiscally justify jettisoning current left tackle Jeff Backus, taking a sizable and immediate salary cap hit if Backus couldn't adapt to playing guard.

The Lions could have three first-round choices on the offensive line, making them the exception rather than the NFL rule. And they've never been too successful in that role.

But they have sufficient time before rendering any final judgments. Let them use it.

Mock drafts in January should be mocked.

The only thing the Lions MUST do is get players -- at every position.

The first overall pick will take care of itself, whether it's Smith, Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford, USC quarterback Mark Sanchez or possibly a pass rusher who is flying beneath the drafting radar. But building the right offensive line usually requires using the entire draft.

--- DREW SHARP / Free Press
 

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All I know is the Lions need help on both lines. Sharp's using bad stats to make his point about teams having 1st or 2nd round picks on their O-Lines....that isn't a position that gets taken often early in the draft. I'd use the entire draft to pick up lineman. If you have a few busts, so be it....but bring in talent to build the lines. If they draft a QB, I'll disown them. I'm so tired of this team drafting junk.
 

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WHY??? Drafting QB's high is proven to be a losing move. Kitna is better than Sanchez right now, and so is Orlovski. Why draft someone that can't contribute right away? Makes no sense to me.

gary...

although i am seeing a few mock drafts picking other than a qb for detroit, i think it's a mistake not to take stafford with the first pick. imo you take a qb in the first round if you think he will be special for years like the giants did with manning, pitt did with big ben & sd did with rivers...stafford is going to be a stud in the nfl....he has a great arm & terrific pocket presence & think he is a lot better than sanchez...imo stafford is defintiely a first rounder....if they don't it will be a mistake & think kc will jump at the opportunity....
 
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WHY??? Drafting QB's high is proven to be a losing move.

i know that is said...but look at indy with peyton, the giants with eli, pitt with big ben, & denver with elway...all won super bowls with first rounders at qb.....so don't think that's necessarily true...
 

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Drew Sharp is a moron. The way to build a team is to avoid busts in the first round, and there is no position to draft that assures you a good player. There are booms and busts at every position. For every Calvin Johnson there is a Charles Rogers. For every Barry Sanders, a Kijana Carter. Jon Ogden and Robert Gallery, Eli Manning and Tim Couch. The list goes on and on.

Here's my advice to the Lions GM Martin Mayhew:

A big part of drafting well is doing your homework , which some GM's either don't do or ignore the findings. For instance, half of the state of Michigan knew that Charles Rogers was a drunk, pill popping fat ass waiting too happen. The entire NFL, except Matt Millen, knew the same about Mike Williams. Steve Emtman was the most glaring case of steroid abuse this side of Tony Mandarich, and the Colts still took him #1. Did anyone really believe that Vernon Gholston was clean? Apparently, the Jets did. Avoid these kinds of easily visible land mines, and you've got half the game won.

You've also got to watch out for the "system guy". Alex Smith was a nobody. He's destined to be a career backup, and then Urban Meyer shows up with the spread option. All of a sudden the NFL buys that he's the next big thing. Oops. Andre Ware, all the Florida WR's under Spurrier, Tim Couch, David Klingler......Michael Crabtree??

Stay away from the "workout warrior" who has had little production in college. Troy Williamson, Mike Mamula, Daryl Gardner, Vernon Davis ring a bell? If you can't motivate them to play well when they're in college, what makes you think they'll turn it on when they're a millionaire and they've got it made?

Lastly, don't pick anyone from Wisconsin. Yes, I know Joe Thomas is good. But seriously, the odds are not with you.
 

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Vernon Gholston Still Trying to Shake That Bust Label

By RYAN WILSON

Updated 1:24 PM EST, Sat, Dec 20, 2008

Way back in September, before Vernon Gholston had even played a down of professional football, NFL Films' Greg Cosell, writing for Sporting News, labeled the Jets 2008 first-round pick a bust. Usually such preseason prognostications are taken with all the seriousness of a Skip Bayless rant on Cold Pizza 2.0.

But unlike Bayless, Cosell doesn't make his living in front of the camera; he's the guy behind the guy at NFL Films, working closely with Ron Jaworski analyzing game tape. So when he states that Gholston is a bust, he's given it some thought.

Here's what Cosell wrote four months ago: "A number of things struck me as I watched six Ohio State games on tape, and I did this after I witnessed his athletic feats at the NFL Combine. First, Gholston's athleticism on the field, during games, did not match his off-field measurable skills. He did not play anywhere near as fast as he timed in the 40-yard dash."

And here we are, heading into the final two weeks of the season, and Gholston, by all accounts, has been a non-factor. The fifth-overall pick has managed just 12 tackles and no sacks and was inactive during last week's game. But maybe some time on the bench to "become introspective," as head coach Eric Mangini put it, could benefit Gholston in the long run.

"I think Vernon had one of the best weeks, if not the best week of practice, since he's been here," Mangini said. "I really liked the one-on-one pass rush drill he had yesterday against the tight ends. I saw a lot of explosiveness."

It's probably asking too much for Gholston to help steady a Jets defense that has been inconsistent in recent weeks. But if he could find his way on the field and contribute, well, that would be a good start
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Things are not always as they seem.
 

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Drew Sharp is a moron. The way to build a team is to avoid busts in the first round, and there is no position to draft that assures you a good player. There are booms and busts at every position. For every Calvin Johnson there is a Charles Rogers. For every Barry Sanders, a Kijana Carter. Jon Ogden and Robert Gallery, Eli Manning and Tim Couch. The list goes on and on.

Here's my advice to the Lions GM Martin Mayhew:

A big part of drafting well is doing your homework , which some GM's either don't do or ignore the findings. For instance, half of the state of Michigan knew that Charles Rogers was a drunk, pill popping fat ass waiting too happen. The entire NFL, except Matt Millen, knew the same about Mike Williams. Steve Emtman was the most glaring case of steroid abuse this side of Tony Mandarich, and the Colts still took him #1. Did anyone really believe that Vernon Gholston was clean? Apparently, the Jets did. Avoid these kinds of easily visible land mines, and you've got half the game won.

You've also got to watch out for the "system guy". Alex Smith was a nobody. He's destined to be a career backup, and then Urban Meyer shows up with the spread option. All of a sudden the NFL buys that he's the next big thing. Oops. Andre Ware, all the Florida WR's under Spurrier, Tim Couch, David Klingler......Michael Crabtree??

Stay away from the "workout warrior" who has had little production in college. Troy Williamson, Mike Mamula, Daryl Gardner, Vernon Davis ring a bell? If you can't motivate them to play well when they're in college, what makes you think they'll turn it on when they're a millionaire and they've got it made?

Lastly, don't pick anyone from Wisconsin. Yes, I know Joe Thomas is good. But seriously, the odds are not with you.

Very good post.
 

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Drew Sharp is a moron. The way to build a team is to avoid busts in the first round, and there is no position to draft that assures you a good player. There are booms and busts at every position. For every Calvin Johnson there is a Charles Rogers. For every Barry Sanders, a Kijana Carter. Jon Ogden and Robert Gallery, Eli Manning and Tim Couch. The list goes on and on.

Here's my advice to the Lions GM Martin Mayhew:

A big part of drafting well is doing your homework , which some GM's either don't do or ignore the findings. For instance, half of the state of Michigan knew that Charles Rogers was a drunk, pill popping fat ass waiting too happen. The entire NFL, except Matt Millen, knew the same about Mike Williams. Steve Emtman was the most glaring case of steroid abuse this side of Tony Mandarich, and the Colts still took him #1. Did anyone really believe that Vernon Gholston was clean? Apparently, the Jets did. Avoid these kinds of easily visible land mines, and you've got half the game won.

You've also got to watch out for the "system guy". Alex Smith was a nobody. He's destined to be a career backup, and then Urban Meyer shows up with the spread option. All of a sudden the NFL buys that he's the next big thing. Oops. Andre Ware, all the Florida WR's under Spurrier, Tim Couch, David Klingler......Michael Crabtree??

Stay away from the "workout warrior" who has had little production in college. Troy Williamson, Mike Mamula, Daryl Gardner, Vernon Davis ring a bell? If you can't motivate them to play well when they're in college, what makes you think they'll turn it on when they're a millionaire and they've got it made?

Lastly, don't pick anyone from Wisconsin. Yes, I know Joe Thomas is good. But seriously, the odds are not with you.

CWood....let me just say I am a Michigan fan like yourself.

As well, I'm a Lions fan. And I will say this about Charles Rogers. If he would have been drafted by a team far away from his hometown of Saginaw, I think he still could be playing.

He lit it up his first 5 games in the league until breaking his collarbone in Denver. Missed the rest of the year and then breaks the same collarbone on the first drive of the first game the following year in Chicago.

Once that happened, the kid was done.

That is more a case of bad luck than picking a bust.
 

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CWood....let me just say I am a Michigan fan like yourself.

As well, I'm a Lions fan. And I will say this about Charles Rogers. If he would have been drafted by a team far away from his hometown of Saginaw, I think he still could be playing.

He lit it up his first 5 games in the league until breaking his collarbone in Denver. Missed the rest of the year and then breaks the same collarbone on the first drive of the first game the following year in Chicago.

Once that happened, the kid was done.

That is more a case of bad luck than picking a bust.


Moving interstate gives him stronger collarbones? :shrug:

;)

CWood, tell me there was some research in there!...'cause if that's top of the head stuff.. :scared :toast:
 

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CWood....let me just say I am a Michigan fan like yourself.

As well, I'm a Lions fan. And I will say this about Charles Rogers. If he would have been drafted by a team far away from his hometown of Saginaw, I think he still could be playing.

He lit it up his first 5 games in the league until breaking his collarbone in Denver. Missed the rest of the year and then breaks the same collarbone on the first drive of the first game the following year in Chicago.

Once that happened, the kid was done.

That is more a case of bad luck than picking a bust.

Doubtful amigo. Charles had four kids by four moms before he left MSU (two from High School and two from MSU, one from his "tutor"). He pissed dirty for herb, blow and pills while at Sparty, and it was all swept under the rug by Bobby Williams, who was essentially running a minimum security prison up there. He also was red flagged at the combine for "watery" urine which is an indication of use of substance cleansing products. Kid was a bad egg from the beginning, and was never going to make it in the league. The collarbones were a convenient excuse.
 

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Lastly, don't pick anyone from Wisconsin. Yes, I know Joe Thomas is good. But seriously, the odds are not with you.

Wow.....

Al Toon?
Lee Evans?
Owen Daniel?
Jim Leonard?
Troy Vincent?
Alan "the Horse" Ameche?
Ron Dayne?
"Crazylegs" Hirsch?


And I know they've had a bunch of OL men over the years.....

Not a football factory, but they've had some good players over the years......
 
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Wow.....

Al Toon?
Lee Evans?
Owen Daniel?
Jim Leonard?
Troy Vincent?
Alan "the Horse" Ameche?
Ron Dayne?
"Crazylegs" Hirsch?


And I know they've had a bunch of OL men over the years.....

Not a football factory, but they've had some good players over the years......

Some recent Wisky smart bombs:

Michael Bennett
Aaron Gibson
Jamar Fletcher
Brian Calhoun
Wendell Bryant
Erasmus James
Jerry Wunsch
Tony Simmons
Tom Burke
Terrell Fletcher
Brandon Williams
Scott Starks

Jim Leonard wasn't drafted and Ron Dayne was a complete bust.

That leaves Joe Thomas, Lee Evans and Owen Daniels as recent Wisky draft successes. The rest on your list were drafted over 15 years ago.
 

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This is a very interesting thread. As a Viking fan (and a MN Gopher fan), i will be amzed if the Lions do the right thing.:142smilie
 

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This is a very interesting thread. As a Viking fan (and a MN Gopher fan), i will be amzed if the Lions do the right thing.:142smilie

Now that Hurt....I'm sorry I feel thesame about the Purple..but hey Hate is all I have.

I'm really lovin' all this DET talk..I think this is the longest thread ever.

Take the Damn QB,,,wait for the WR!!:mj07:
 
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