looks like mccain sold the republicans down the river

[smurphy]

I agree with alot of what you say about McCain, GW - regarding Iraq and the Border, specifically.

But McCain is more honest and non-partisan in general IMO. ...I guess it's more of an opinion than anything else. I think if he didn't have the pressure of the party leaning on him, he would take more genuine stands on some of these issues. Republicans in general haven't been allowed to do anything other than agree with Iraq and pussyfoot the border.

I see him follow the party line by default, but I don't see him in actuall agreement with Bush much of the time. It was Bush afterall, that played dirty to destroy him 5 years ago - much like his father did to Dole.

Nosigar, where in this country can you get an 8th month abortion legally?

And BTW, I have NO OPINION on abortion. I really wouldn't even care if they overturned Roe v Wade. Each side has very legitimate arguments.

 

[ocelot]

I am not even going to address the ridiculous comments by the usual ridiculous persons.

I will say that 3 cheers for the preservation of democracy and and the 7 Dems and Reps that formed the Coalition of the Reasonable.

Of course those 7 Repubs will now be the targets of vicious attacks by the Neo-Nazi Right in their quest to institute their Taliban Plan.

 

[djv]

I remember this liberal Supreme Court putting Bush in office the first term.
As for MC Cain I will still vote for him over anyone else if he ever got that far. I like a guy who can check his ego at the door.

 

[dawgball]

damnit, djv, if we keep agreeing on things people are going to start wondering.

McCain has a track record that I trust. If he is making a move, my initial feeling is that it is for the good of our country. That is not to say that I will blindly follow, but I will approach the situation looking for the positive.

 

[Sun Tzu]

McCain is honest and trustworthy? Man people have short memories. Charles Keating mean anything to you? Could go on and on. If he wasnt a war hero (essentially not for what he did but for getting caught) he would have been run out long ago.

 

[gardenweasel]

i`m no mccain fan....

for all we know,the guy could be the new lawrence harvey(the manchurian candidate).....lol

seriously...i don`t think that mccain gives a whit about his party...and that`s very bad for the republicans

and i see why the liberals are all defending him....he`s helped them a good deal here......

no sooner do these 14 moderates "do the right thing",then reid goes out and reams bush...saying that this action sends a message to him and his administration and all radical republicans...?????....

a slap in the administrations face....by a party that ,if not for mccain,was about to be stripped of any power they might have had....

maybe that`s a good thing...i don`t know....depends on how you feel about roe v. wade...

..but,mccain`s not a team player..anything but...

frist has been embarrassed...the party`s been fractured...

the dems retain the right to filibuster...based on some ambiguous promise regarding "extrordinary circumstances" with no criteria...

while the republicans were going to get the nominations confirmed anyway...by removing the filibuster and forcing a vote...

sooooo...i ask...after blocking priscilla owen for over 4 years.... because she was "out of the mainstream"..bad for the country,in democrats` eyes......does this mean she`s now fit to be on the appeals court?.....

what`s changed?

is that standing on principle?...

because,it`s obviously not about her..

one thing that will come of all this....mccain...while trying to set himself up for a run in 2008,probably screwed himself out of any chance at getting the republican nomination...

most diehard republicans are livid with him...and he can`t switch parties...because hillary`s a lock....

maybe we`ll get that 3rd party i`d always hoped we`d get...

unfortunately,it will be with mccain as the independent candidate...

he`s shrewd,though...he may get almost as much say in picking judicial nominees as the president....

i`d be shocked if he won the republican nomination,though...he just burned some serious bridges...

 

[smurphy]

seriously...i don`t think that mccain gives a whit about his party...

..but,mccain`s not a team player..anything but...

These are qualities that I wish more politicians had.

 

[ocelot]

gw:

Heh, so you are in favor of "radical Republicans"?

Frist has been embarassed?! Are you serious? This guy has already embarassed himself by his own actions NUMEROUS times. McCain has more integrity in his left pinky than this Administration can even imagine and certainly infinitely more than Frist!

McCain has done nothing to hurt himself in the eyes of the great majority of Americans. The Radical Republicans can go to Hell.

Frankly if it comes down to Hillary versus McCain then we would be faced with 2 much better choices than last election, just as we would have had McCain rightfully won the nomination in 2000.

 

[smurphy]

Of course it was McCain who wanted to ban wagering on college sports a few years back. The only place it would have affected was Las Vegas, since that's officially the only place in the US where you can legally make college sports wagers. As a response, Vegas lifted their ban on betting Nevada schools. Don't know what their motivation in that was exactly - if it was them just trying to squeeze every last dollar before a feared shut down or what?

So (unless I have this wrong - I'm sure folks here know the details), next time your in a Vegas sportsbook and you bet on UNLV or Reno, you can actually thank McCain for being able to place that bet.

 

[ocelot]

smurphy, I didn't know that! That is almost as bad as GUN CONTROL!

The WAR on GAMBLING will be as winnable as the WAR on DRUGS.

 

[AR182]

i'm more annoyed at mccain with the immigration bill he is trying to push with kennedy than i am with the fillibuster business.

when the presidential odds are out....a good bet to make is on george allen getting the party's nomination & even winning the election. it should be pretty good odds.

 

[Sun Tzu]

I continue to chuckle at the Hillary people. Folks, remember, she has to carry every single "Blue state" AND win either Ohio or Florida. I just dont see it happening. No I dont like her but that is beside the point. She just isnt electable. It is the Republicans wet dream that she is the nominee.

 

[AR182]

i agree with you,st. imo, hillary will never be president......as i said before the dems need somebody from the red states, not another northeastern liberal...& they must get rid of dean... asap.

 

[ocelot]

How can Hillary lose any blue states? Can't see that being any problem at all and I think she can almost certainly pick up a battleground state or 2 after this last 4 years of "malaise".

 

[kosar]

I continue to chuckle at the Hillary people. Folks, remember, she has to carry every single "Blue state" AND win either Ohio or Florida. I just dont see it happening. No I dont like her but that is beside the point. She just isnt electable. It is the Republicans wet dream that she is the nominee.

There's no reason she couldn't carry Florida. Probably not Ohio, but maybe Pennsylvania.

I'm no great Hillary fan by any means, but I think all of these people who laugh and dismiss her as a serious candidate might be surprised.

And Ocelot is right, she likely wouldn't lose any blue states that Kerry won.

 

[Englishman]

Kosar: PA is a blue State.

Hillary will win the nomination, I'm sure of that. But as I asked on these boards last year: Which Red State can she win? Definately not FL. She needs to pick up a significant Red state that Kerry didn't. Which one is it to be?

I just don't think it can happen and she will lose the general election.

Hopefully, to Condi!!!

 

[kosar]

Kosar: PA is a blue State.

Hillary will win the nomination, I'm sure of that. But as I asked on these boards last year: Which Red State can she win? Definately not FL. She needs to pick up a significant Red state that Kerry didn't. Which one is it to be?

I just don't think it can happen and she will lose the general election.

Hopefully, to Condi!!!

True, my bad about PA.

Why not Florida? If she can lie well enough about being able give the seniors here an advantageous healthcare plan, she can win.

She would easily carry all of the traditionally liberal counties and she would get the panhandle redneck riviera vote if Condi runs. Would be tough to get the farmer counties votes, but overall she could get Florida and that's all it would take.

 

[AR182]

i'll repeat what i have said numerous times that nobody in the history of u.s.elections has ever become president with as high as negatives as hilliary has......

also condi rice has no chance,for 2008 to win the republican nomination for president.....she needs some experience as a politician first before entering for the big show.

i previously have stated that i thought that george allen would be good long shot bet to be the next president.......but after what has been happening in congress...i think mccain (the great compromiser) is positioning himself to run for the presidency & win.

 

[gardenweasel]

you guys are underestimating just how pissed the far right is with mccain....

he is public enemy #1.....i`m serious...

people are calling talk shows and vowing to withdraw support for the party....no more donations to the party......period

particularly if mccain is the nominee...

the radicals are the hard core base...and they are livid....

mccain`s got some time to mend fences...but,it`s not gonna be easy....

particularly with his toothless border policy....

i think he`s toast....

of course....you didn`t need me to tell you that.....just look at the libs on the board lining up behind mccain....

it`s not hard to understand why he pisses the hardcore base off so much....

what i don`t get is how the liberals reconcile mccain`s stance on the iraq war....and kerry`s...and hillary`s...

they all went along with the intel....everybody forgets that these guys and gals signed off on iraq.....

before those like kerry started backtracking after things got tough...

 

[kosar]

the radicals are the hard core base...and they are livid....

Hopefully that's true. Because it works both ways. You guys continue to chide the dems for placing extreme libs in positions of power, and you're probably right. But what about the flip side of the coin?

Don't you think that most of America does not fall into any extreme category? Don't you think that dems and repubs working together is actually a refreshing change. For all the rhetoric about seeing both sides, righties just can't stand 14 centrists getting together for a common goal.

it`s not hard to understand why he pisses the hardcore base off so much....

True. The 1st commandmant of politics. Thou shalt not ever break from party lines, no matter how reasonable it is.

what i don`t get is how the liberals reconcile mccain`s stance on the iraq war....and kerry`s...and hillary`s...

Wow, can you imagine the outrage if those people didn't authorize the pres to use force? I guess by your logic, we all should be lining up behind Howard Dean, since he didn't vote to authorize funds and has been against it from the beginning. There's nothing to reconcile. Those people you mentioned didn't ram this war up our ass. They trusted that the president knew what he was doing.