'Loose Change'; The truth about 911?

[alb]

GW;
This is the beauty of living in a free country.
I adhere to science and evidence (maybe I watch too much CSI!). Do I sound naieve? Re-reading I guess I can see why it sounds so. The humour is appreciated in the tossle of a sensitive subject....but you would be naieve to ignore the facts (I know there are a lots more missing here). But the whole purpose of this thread was for everyone to throw in their 2 cents.....or an educated quarter.

That link you posted isn't working. Bin Laden praised the attack but the initial fuzzy arabic tape is not him and initial reports were of denial. I'm not letting him off the hook....he is a brainwashed hypocritical terrorist and an evil human being who should be shot. I don't like using 'bleeding heart why-invade-Afghanistan' crap but the FBI's most wanted poster does not indicate his connection to 9/11.

From June 2006;
The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden's Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11."


For the record;
I don't believe in UFO's and abductions although I once did but after 20 years of painstaking research, science has proved otherwise......we'll cover that lecture next week. And I don't believe in Rumpelstiltsken either....okay that was straw not lead. I didn't know what Risperdal was until now....but sounds like a trip!

Oh and I was fooled by the Titanic 2 trailer!!

 

[MrChristo]

I would say the gov't knew what was going to happen to the towers

I don't think that's in doubt...

...now, that's NOT to say they were behind it, in on it or anything else it...
...they may not have known when exactly (although the stock trail is extremely curious!!)...but everything points to people at the top level knowing it was on the cards...
...(and if not, they're even stupider than Porgey appears, given the intellegence they had been given)...

the buildings were drastically overinsured specifically for a plane crash just before.

...and then tried to claim twice because TWO planes hit!!

I thought the Laden tape was a joke....looks nothing like all the FBI photo's and doesn't fit their profile (writing with the wrong hand)

Yep...and how about the other...that Bin himself was either at, or had just been discharges from a US hospital/medical station in Pakistan at the time!!!...
...Oh, we will catch him...er, dead, or, er, alive, Puddin' and Pie...YOU KNEW WHERE HE FUCKING WAS AT THE TIME!!!

Hey Christo; I'm still bothered about the thing in Cleveland. The claims say two planes actually evacuated there for bomb scares. #93 was one of them. So where are the 40 people....was the passenger manifest real or made up?

Possibly the only solution?...Still can't come at the idea of it...definately can't come at the idea of a plane totally disappearing in a 20 ft. deep hole tho...
...and, the comparison on LC is absolutely correct.
The Greek airliner that lost cabin pressure and flew at full cruising power into a hill...there's wreckage, recognisable, full, intact! wreckage all over the place.
Not just a hole with some scrap metal.
A plane flying from Mexico in the late '80's had a problem with the elevators (they effectively locked in the down position) and smacked nose first into the ocean at pretty much full power, and yet parts and even bodies I believe were found there. (yes, the water isn't land I know!!...but at that speed it's still bloody hard to hit!)...


Hey, as I said in the first place, I simply don't believe that the towers falling down had anything to do with anything other than 2 planes hitting them...just my pov...
...but I simply do not believe that a plane can disintegrate/melt/vanish...which makes the other two parts of the story dubious in the extreme to me.

many sheltered people had their worldview shattered on 9/11 and cannot come to grips with reality

gw, what the hell kind of statement is this???

Many "sheltered people"??? Many "sheltered" people pray to a make believe god every night and think it does them good.
Many "sheltered" people voted for the Bush-meister because he was bringing god to the white-house.
Many "sheltered" people don't have a mind of their own, so they believe what higher powers tell them...the news, the gov...god (hey, you just know he talks to at least 10% of the cranks with or without foil hats on!)...

they're either radical muslims, students, nucking futs, or a combination of all three.....

See, and this is my amazing fucking annoying gripe with you!! ...you seem like a decent guy with most everything else...but this REALLY shits me!!

Anyone that doesn't either a) agree with you...or b) questions the US of A...or c) has a pov that somehow differs from either a or b...
...or doesn't pray to a single, white, monogamous god...
...or somehow questions anything that either a or b have ever done...
...or in anyway shows any understanding of anyone that isn't a white, western, god-fearing, straight laced, gun-toting, hippy-hating, gay-bashing, presiodent questioning human being...
...is either a student (leftist brainwashed freaks they all are...or nuts, or a "radical Muslim"...

It's fucking rubbish. Broaden your horizans man.
You're so far to the right on the scale of US v. who-ever, that you think the dots on the horizon are extremists, when in reality they are very close to the middle ground.
You don't seem to realise that there are TWO extremes on any one level.
There's also a VAST amount of middle ground...but because you don't either see half the stuff that goes on, or do and simply dismiss it, then you continue to live in a black and white world.
Us against them.
tbh, you come across as that far up Dub's arse that you just may find that missing gold

PS. Have you watched it? Guessing no...but, as I tell most people who broad this particular subject...
...even if you're the biggest, straightest, non-"conspiracy" (really is a terrible word/phrase) guy, find it and watch the first 10 minutes.
That's all. 10 minutes.
See that the government of the United States of America, has, in fact, planned a fake attack to sway public opinion in their favour.
They have. FACT.


That bit alone should be enough to shatter a lot of "sheltered" people's perceptions...

 

[beertime]

PULL YER FUCKING HEADS OUTTA YER AS AND DO YER OWN DUE DILIGEGENCE,

 

[kosar]

PULL YER FUCKING HEADS OUTTA YER AS AND DO YER OWN DUE DILIGEGENCE,

Good point. :shrug:

 

[djv]

Someone said water can be hard. I hope to tell you. Go jump off a cliff 200 ft high. That should break every bone in your body after they find you if they do. It's like hitting cement.

 

[alb]

Beer;
That is like word for word of something I would say when I'm pissed drunk!!! Kudos....but since I'm sober...what does it mean and who/what does it refer to?

Remember....everyone gets 2 cents or an educated quarter!!


And;
'the alb' is here to help....or educate...or release your frustrations on!

Peace all over the world!!!!!!!

 

[alb]

Oh one other thing....surely someone else was fooled by Titanic 2!!!

 

[blgstocks]

http://www.leenks.com/link55695.htm

heres a link to the penn and teller 9/11 video someone referred to ealier in the thread

 

[TonyTT]

The one statement that the retired fire chief said pretty much said it all for me...."I find it unbelievable that ANYONE in govt can have such an evil plot to strike their own people."
No doubt the story of OPERATION NORTHWOODS by Louis Lemnitzer of the joint chiefs of staff was more BS by 'conspiracy nut jobs'

 

[gardenweasel]

alb..i apologize..i was outta line...you seem like a nice guy......i took out some sponge/bryanz frustration on you...and i`m sorry...

this one just chafes my ass a bit....

and yes..it`s a free country...and you`re entitled to your own opinion.....

this is an interesting forum most times....hang out....

it`s all good...

 

[gardenweasel]

let me explain my frustration.....so you can understand why i lashed out at you(unfairly)....

i get agitated when it becomes obvious that people in this country are so blind that they need to be SOLD the threat against us......they should not have to be SOLD on this war(not iraq,the w.o.t.) like it is a fucking box of laundry detergent....

they can spend hours and hours obsessing about who is going to get thrown off survivor island or what dingbat is going to get canned on american idol but after 9/11 they can not figure out someone really, really, really, wants to kill them?...

no,they can`t.......they have to blame the president...or, they need bush to explain it to them every damn day.....

now,we elect a congress that`s going to compromise many of our tools in this war....it`s out there...people just aren`t interested...we`re so sheltered...i wonder if the next tragedy will wake us up...

maybe a new game show....see which infidel on the island gets beheaded on each episode....

maybe we might figure it out then? :shrug:

 

[kosar]

let me explain my frustration.....so you can understand why i lashed out at you(unfairly)....

i get agitated when it becomes obvious that people in this country are so blind that they need to be SOLD the threat against us......they should not have to be SOLD on this war(not iraq,the w.o.t.) like it is a fucking box of laundry detergent....

they can spend hours and hours obsessing about who is going to get thrown off survivor island or what dingbat is going to get canned on american idol but after 9/11 they can not figure out someone really, really, really, wants to kill them?...

no,they can`t.......they have to blame the president...or, they need bush to explain it to them every damn day.....

now,we elect a congress that`s going to compromise many of our tools in this war....it`s out there...people just aren`t interested...we`re so sheltered...i wonder if the next tragedy will wake us up...

maybe a new game show....see which infidel on the island gets beheaded on each episode....

maybe we might figure it out then? :shrug:

You have only one thing to blame for those elections and that's Iraq.

Maybe, could it be, that people ARE actually very concerned about terror and slowly but surely have come around to the notion that our continued presence in Iraq does not make us safer and the decision to go there in the first place was terribly idiotic?

Maybe they comtemplate the fact that little or nothing has been done to secure our borders, yet they're throwing bottles of water away at airport checkpoints.

There is a disconnect between this admins talk and this admins actions. You really think that people are stupid, don't you?

You think that eventually, after being told that 2+2 equals five, that people won't start to question wtf we're doing?

Yeah, as usual go to your scattershot blame game and give the dreadful decisions that this admin has made, a free pass.

 

[danmurphy jr]

CHICKEN LITTLE

Chicken Little was in the woods,
A seed fell on his tail.
He met Henny Penny and said,

"The sky is falling.
I saw it with my eyes.
I heard it with my ears.
Some of it fell on my tail."

He met Turkey Lurkey, Ducky Lucky,
and Goosey Loosey.
They ran to tell the king.

They met Foxy Loxy.
They ran into his den,
And they did not come out again

A Walt Disney allegory created in 1943 to address the fear mongering during WW2. Much of it was fostered in Nazi Gemany. It works. Watch "Fox news","MSNBC and the others. It still does.

 

[The Sponge]

let me explain my frustration.....so you can understand why i lashed out at you(unfairly)....

i get agitated when it becomes obvious that people in this country are so blind that they need to be SOLD the threat against us



now,we elect a congress that`s going to compromise many of our tools in this war
maybe a new game show.... ....

Weasal did you ever read these so called bills that have pretty names but poison pills built into them? Im pretty sure you are one of those knucleheads that sees a fancy name (patriot act) and feels this has to be a slam dunk of a bill. The reason Dems want to get rid of bills like this or most likely adjust them is because the con men who you follow so cluelessly use these bills for personal gain. How could you honestly think that the Democrats want to get rid of these bills and make us less secure? You need to start reading sum of the shit in these bills before you make these wild ass claims.
What really is a disgrace is it has been six years and we are still talking about shoring up our borders. Shoring up our ports. Buttoning down on airline safety. Six f--ckin years and we are still talking about these:shrug: things and your worried about phone calls from people who know very well they are being traced.

 

[beertime]

For the UNaware people ...

Both parties are illusions of the same shit.

Its dated back to 1913 in this country and way further before that. Global banks ARE the mob and they run the puppet show.

The elder Bush knows where the power lies.

Its gone on forever in our short memories..

BOTH PARTIES ARE CORRUPT and thats the problem.

People thought the revelutiionary war was big

This one will be bigger.

Most people dont live in thee highly funded cia united staes of America.

Its the bay of pigs over and over and people dont get it


WAKE THE **** UIP

 

[The Sponge]

Makes me think some shenanigans might have went on. Just google this pricks name and you will find all kinds of corruption just like a true Bush.

9/11 Security
Courtesy of Marvin Bush

Marvin P. Bush, the president?s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne]
According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."

The company lists as government clients "the U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S Air force, and the Department of Justice," in projects that "often require state-of-the-art security solutions for classified or high-risk government sites."

Stratesec (Securacom) differs from other security companies which separate the function of consultant from that of service provider. The company defines itself as a "single-source" provider of "end-to-end" security services, including everything from diagnosis of existing systems to hiring subcontractors to installing video and electronic equipment. It also provides armored vehicles and security guards.

 

[maverick2112]

For the UNaware people ...

Both parties are illusions of the same shit.

Its dated back to 1913 in this country and way further before that. Global banks ARE the mob and they run the puppet show.

The elder Bush knows where the power lies.

Its gone on forever in our short memories..

BOTH PARTIES ARE CORRUPT and thats the problem.

People thought the revelutiionary war was big

This one will be bigger.

Most people dont live in thee highly funded cia united staes of America.

Its the bay of pigs over and over and people dont get it


WAKE THE **** UIP

Beertime......you ever check out www.breakfornews.com.........

 

[TonyTT]

Beertime,
I'd have to disagree with you about "this one being bigger than the revolutionary war". I dont think it's gonna happen myself. The big boys seem to have a pretty good handle on things. There's still opportunity for the average joe to make a pretty good living here and live a pretty good lifestyle. As far as other nations go, their leaders are as manipulated as ours are....while ours play the good cop bad cop game on the national scale...dont forget that same game is also played on the INTERNATIONAL scale....keeping populations in check.
Careful about "WAKING" too many folks up...
If the manipulation and control are taken away...you might REALLY DREAD what's left.

TT

 

[maverick2112]

Beertime,
I'd have to disagree with you about "this one being bigger than the revolutionary war". I dont think it's gonna happen myself. The big boys seem to have a pretty good handle on things. There's still opportunity for the average joe to make a pretty good living here and live a pretty good lifestyle. As far as other nations go, their leaders are as manipulated as ours are....while ours play the good cop bad cop game on the national scale...dont forget that same game is also played on the INTERNATIONAL scale....keeping populations in check.
Careful about "WAKING" too many folks up...
If the manipulation and control are taken away...you might REALLY DREAD what's left.

TT

Tony...........could'nt agree more with this assessment.........you are another one who seems to be up on things.........good post........

 

[The Sponge]

Tony...........could'nt agree more with this assessment.........you are another one who seems to be up on things.........good post........

okay throw me in. I always thought like this but being a new poster i thought this would get me thrown out. then again i almost got throw out thinking a little lighter. So there is four of us now what should we do? Move out which i have been thinking and might do. Just forget everything and try to make it here? Try to enlighten people which could take up my last 40 years?
Im not a guy that thinks its everyone for themselves. I tried to be but i cant. I sat six years ago with five guys explaining my thoughts on what is was gonna happen and told each one to invest in every company in Iraq but i just couldn't do it. Call me soft, call me stupid but i have to make money on my own and not some shady way. Money doesn't mean that much to me like it does others. I don't let it control me. So im asking you other three guys to teach me how to have no conscience and be a dirtbag.