shoot. that,s nuttin. my first ace was on a120 yd hole, pin below a slope, lower left. what you try to do is hit the middle of the green roll up the slope and curl down into the hole. i took a wedge. almost cut the ball in half, it never left the ground ! bump roll, bump roll into the hole.. this was a quick 9 after work with a friend, nobody in the club, cost me 7 bucks !!!!!