Majority of Iraqi Lawmakers Now Reject Occupation

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Majority of Iraqi Lawmakers Now Reject Occupation
By Raed Jarrar and Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted May 9, 2007.

More than half of the members of Iraq's parliament rejected for the first time on Tuesday the continuing occupation of their country. The U.S. media ignored the story.

On Tuesday, without note in the U.S. media, more than half of the members of Iraq's parliament rejected the continuing occupation of their country. 144 lawmakers signed onto a legislative petition calling on the United States to set a timetable for withdrawal, according to Nassar Al-Rubaie, a spokesman for the Al Sadr movement, the nationalist Shia group that sponsored the petition.

It's a hugely significant development. Lawmakers demanding an end to the occupation now have the upper hand in the Iraqi legislature for the first time; previous attempts at a similar resolution fell just short of the 138 votes needed to pass (there are 275 members of the Iraqi parliament, but many have fled the country's civil conflict, and at times it's been difficult to arrive at a quorum).

Reached by phone in Baghdad on Tuesday, Al-Rubaie said that he would present the petition, which is nonbinding, to the speaker of the Iraqi parliament and demand that a binding measure be put to a vote. Under Iraqi law, the speaker must present a resolution that's called for by a majority of lawmakers, but there are significant loopholes and what will happen next is unclear.

What is clear is that while the U.S. Congress dickers over timelines and benchmarks, Baghdad faces a major political showdown of its own. The major schism in Iraqi politics is not between Sunni and Shia or supporters of the Iraqi government and "anti-government forces," nor is it a clash of "moderates" against "radicals"; the defining battle for Iraq at the political level today is between nationalists trying to hold the Iraqi state together and separatists backed, so far, by the United States and Britain.

The continuing occupation of Iraq and the allocation of Iraq's resources -- especially its massive oil and natural gas deposits -- are the defining issues that now separate an increasingly restless bloc of nationalists in the Iraqi parliament from the administration of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, whose government is dominated by Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish separatists.

By "separatists," we mean groups who oppose a unified Iraq with a strong central government; key figures like Maliki of the Dawa party, Shia leader Abdul Aziz Al-Hakeem of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq ("SCIRI"), Vice President Tariq Al-Hashimi of the Sunni Islamic Party, President Jalal Talabani -- a Kurd -- and Masoud Barzani, president of the Kurdish Autonomous Region, favor partitioning Iraq into three autonomous regions with strong local governments and a weak central administration in Baghdad. (The partition plan is also favored by several congressional Democrats, notably Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware.)

Iraq's separatists also oppose setting a timetable for ending the U.S. occupation, preferring the addition of more American troops to secure their regime. They favor privatizing Iraq's oil and gas and decentralizing petroleum operations and revenue distribution.

But public opinion is squarely with Iraq's nationalists. According to a poll by the University of Maryland's Project on International Public Policy Attitudes, majorities of all three of Iraq's major ethno-sectarian groups support a unified Iraq with a strong central government. For at least two years, poll after poll has shown that large majorities of Iraqis of all ethnicities and sects want the United States to set a timeline for withdrawal, even though (in the case of Baghdad residents), they expect the security situation to deteriorate in the short term as a result.

That's nationalism, and it remains the central if unreported motivation for many Iraqis, both within the nascent government and on the streets.

While sectarian fighting at the neighborhood and community level has made life unlivable for millions of Iraqis, Iraqi nationalism -- portrayed as a fiction by supporters of the invasion -- supercedes sectarian loyalties at the political level. A group of secular, Sunni and Shia nationalists have long voted together on key issues, but so far have failed to join forces under a single banner.

That may be changing. Reached by phone last week, nationalist leader Saleh Al-Mutlaq, of the National Dialogue Front, said, "We're doing our best to form this united front and announce it within the next few weeks." The faction would have sufficient votes to block any measure proposed by the Maliki government. Asked about the Americans' reaction to the growing power of the nationalists, Mutlaq said, "We're trying our best to reach out to the U.S. side, but to no avail."

That appears to be a trend. Iraqi nationalists have attempted again and again to forge relationships with members of Congress, the State Department, the Pentagon and the White House but have found little interest in dialogue and no support. Instead, key nationalists like al-Sadr have been branded as "extremists," "thugs" and "criminals."

That's a tragic missed opportunity; the nationalists are likely Iraq's best hope for real and lasting reconciliation among the country's warring factions. They are the only significant political force focused on rebuilding a sovereign, united and independent Iraq without sectarian and ethnic tensions or foreign meddling -- from either the West or Iran. Hassan Al-Shammari, the head of Al-Fadhila bloc in the Iraqi parliament, said this week, "We have a peace plan, and we're trying to work with other nationalist Iraqis to end the U.S. and Iranian interventions, but we're under daily attacks and there's huge pressure to destroy our peace mission."

A sovereign and unified Iraq, free of sectarian violence, is what George Bush and Tony Blair claim they want most. The most likely reason that the United States and Britain have rebuffed those Iraqi nationalists who share those goals is that the nationalists oppose permanent basing rights and the privatization of Iraq's oil sector. The administration, along with their allies in Big Oil, has pressed the Iraqi government to adopt an oil law that would give foreign multinationals a much higher rate of return than they enjoy in other major oil producing countries and would lock in their control over what George Bush called Iraq's "patrimony" for decades.

Al-Shammari said this week: "We're afraid the U.S. will make us pass this new oil law through intimidation and threatening. We don't want it to pass, and we know it'll make things worse, but we're afraid to rise up and block it, because we don't want to be bombed and arrested the next day." In the Basrah province, where his Al-Fadhila party dominates the local government, Al-Shammari's fellow nationalists have been attacked repeatedly by separatists for weeks, while British troops in the area remained in their barracks.

The nationalists in parliament will now press their demands for withdrawal. At the same time, the emerging nationalist bloc is holding hearings in which officials from the defense and interior ministries have been grilled about just what impediments to building a functional security force remain and when the Iraqi police and military will be able to take over from foreign troops. Both ministries are believed to be heavily infiltrated by both nationalist (al-Sadr's Mahdi Army) and separatist militias (the pro-Iranian Badr Brigade).

The coming weeks and months will be crucial to Iraq's future. The United States, in pushing for more aggressive moves against Iraqi nationalists and the passage of a final oil law, is playing a dangerous game. Iraqi nationalists reached in Baghdad this week say they are beginning to lose hope of achieving anything through the political process because both the Iraqi government and the occupation authorities are systematically bypassing the Iraqi parliament where they're in the majority. If they end up quitting the political process entirely, that will leave little choice but to oppose the occupation by violent means.
 

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Al-Shammari said this week: "We're afraid the U.S. will make us pass this new oil law through intimidation and threatening. We don't want it to pass, and we know it'll make things worse, but we're afraid to rise up and block it, because we don't want to be bombed and arrested the next day." In the Basrah province, where his Al-Fadhila party dominates the local government, Al-Shammari's fellow nationalists have been attacked repeatedly by separatists for weeks, while British troops in the area remained in their barracks.
It really sucks the way our oil got under their sand.

This makes sense. What other motivation is there for us to stay at this point except to secure our interests in the oil? Why else would we be so unreasonable about what most people here and there want to see happen?
 

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Don't be ridiculous, smurph. George and Dick have said many times it's not for the oil. And Wayne has explained that they never lie. So get off it, will ya?

Majority of Americans are for a timetable. Majority of the Iraqi government is for a timetable. 12 republicans understand most everyone is for a timetable, and have explained it in a way the President should understand...politically damaging to any republican forced to spend the next year and a half defending whatever policy the shooters are coming up with.

I submit that the terrorists are NOT for a timetable and a withdrawal/redeployment from Iraq, in prepping for Wayne & Weasel's assertion that they are and everyone else is just weak and supporting terra-rism. What will they do if we come home? Where will they go? They sure won't be able to hit us with IED's every other hour...that's for should.
 

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The Bushies must be waiting to see how the Fox Opinion Network and Bush Radio want them to spin this. :shrug:
 

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After reading that there really isnt anything new to say. What i will say is that if i was on DTB and Weasels side and saw the part about the oil and permenate military bases i would feel like i was a total jackass but who knows with these two. I don't even know if you can spin this one. All that fuking blood of kids for a bunch of rotten no good greedy pricks who should be hanging from a rope along with Saddam.
Now lets see what this no good puppet of a prick president has to say. He wants blank checks and a lifetime presence in Iraq because that is what the military bases were for. I remember a time nevertease thought i was a complete fool saying they wanted permanent bases over there. I showed him the monster one they were building on the Tigris river that he had no idea about. I wonder how he feels about this occupation now since he is still over there. The typical American can't fathom people being this rotten but we have them. Will it ever sink in to these misguided Americans? I doubt it.
 

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Now the Iraqi government is buying into the leftist, defeatist, anti-American media propaganda? No worries. We true Americans are determined to "liberate" these misguided fools and wait out the last of the suicide bombers. Are you with me Weasel, DTB?
 
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I don't even know if you can spin this one.

Are you serious? I have faith in DTB and Weasel. They'll change the subject, explain how Clinton started this, and then call us America haters & terrorist supporters.......of course, this is all a fabrication of the liberal media so they don't really need to say much more than that.
 

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Would really depend on source of info AGAIN-

It is getting old exposing you liberals and your liberal sources 3 or 4 times a week--

You all need to form your own liberal blog forum here where you can banter back and forth one skewed blog reports.

once again google search 1st page for --
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only thng I can find on issue today from "news" sources--even if it is left leaning A.P.--
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Iraq officials to push for U.S. support

By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer
46 minutes ago


WASHINGTON - Worried Congress' support for Iraq is deteriorating rapidly, Baghdad dispatched senior officials to Capitol Hill this week to warn members one-on-one that pulling out U.S. troops would have disastrous consequences.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070511/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq;_ylt=AmJNPUmXFR4UX3mVYKC7125I2ocA

:shrug:
 
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gee,dtb...your article and alter`s seem to be contradictory....

but,that`s not a problem for our libs....it`s their modus operandi...



"no war for oil".....
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"i thought that the iraqi oil would pay for the war"....

"no war for oil".....

"i thought that the iraqi oil would pay for the war"....

"no war for oil".....

"i thought that the iraqi oil would pay for the war"....

:dizzy:

btw...other topics from alternet:

"phoney romney plays french card"

"trained to harm:how the military abuses it`s own"

"anti-u.s. uproar sweeps itlay"

"will chimp life get human rights?"...(and under the header):"Hiasl, a 26-year old Austrian-based chimpanzee, is petitioning the courts for human status, and let me be the first to extend him a warm welcome to our species.".....

bwaaaahahaha!....

and the kicker:

"the hidden cost of america`s hyper-masculine culture"......

????...oh,that says it all....

thanks for this gift,chaddy.....:SIB
 
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Is anyone denying this fact?


"Shiite politicians pressed for legislation demanding a timetable for a U.S. withdrawal and a freeze on the number of foreign forces already in the country.

The proposed legislation, drafted by the parliamentary bloc loyal to anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, was signed by 144 members of the 275-member house, parliamentary officials said Thursday."

The president of Iraq and many other memebers of the parliament do not support this position. They are lobbying American politicians to remain comitted to this idiocy. Ok. Granted. What is your point? How does this refute the fact that a MAJORITY of the Iraqi parliament (you know, the democracy that we have spent billions of dollars and thousands of lives to establish) want us out? Can either of you make a cogent argument that stays on point?
 
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Iraqi's need to understand. we invaded we are the occupiers. We go home when we feel like it. Or when American people get sick of losing there sons in this civil war. Seems like were there. All polls and last election say it's time. Even the republican network Fox has to use the numbers. They just don't show them to much.
 

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"gee,dtb...your article and alter`s seem to be contradictory....

but,that`s not a problem for our libs....it`s their modus operandi..."

gee,Weasel, you have tremendous reasoning skills. I hope you didn't pay for that education.
 
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This is getting so sad, really. What are you getting tired of exposing, Wayne? The fact that you have to Google and put up links to things that I have already posted? Congratulations...Wayne knows how to Google and ignore any point put up on any site that is not conservative.

Again, I'd invite you to debate the points made in the post, but I guess you have given up on that - just posting liberal links at this point...:sleep:

By the way, I notice the story you referenced - this may be the funniest thing yet - had verification in THAT VERY STORY YOU LINKED to the republicans meeting with Bush that I posted about in this thread.

You ridicule the source I posted (and ignore the content as always) and then post a link to a story you want read, that backs up my post about republicans trying to explain things to Bush.

Thank you...:142smilie
 
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Now, on to the Wease...I have no idea what your point is with the back and forth posts that originated from the administration you are still supporting, but maybe you'll enlighten us.

The administration said it's not a war for oil. The administration said the oil in Iraq will pay for the war.

And now you're saying, somehow, that these are liberal quotes of some sort, to make a point?

Man, you guys are just plain bizarre these days...but then again, who can blame you, considering the convoluted reasoning you are continued to have to come up with.
 

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DTB, What say you? Is Fox News now just a liberal blog like everyone else?

no...that`s why they`re called "fair and balanced"......

{QUOTE=jabberwocky:gee,Weasel, you have tremendous reasoning skills. I hope you didn't pay for that education.{/QUOTE}

geez jabberwocky..i was just pointing out that liberals were born to be oxy-morons.....are you disparaging my edumacation?(are there any radio frequency devices that keep rodents out of the forum?)

i kid....just kidding...:grins: ;)
 

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Smurph I've told you a 100 times Fox always has live feed from A.P. (fair and balanced)

Now read article again and tell me what you see-

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > WORLD

Iraqi Bill on Troop Pullout Discussed
Thursday, May 10, 2007

By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press Writer

Hello--anybody home??

You might read the 2nd sentence then --

The proposed Iraqi legislation, drafted by the parliamentary bloc loyal to anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, was signed by 144 members of the 275-member house, said Nassar al-Rubaie, the leader of the Sadrist bloc.

duh hello anyone home again????

Believe I said before --the insurgents (Sadr)--the terrorist and liberals were all on the same page.:shrug:
 

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"Would really depend on source of info AGAIN-

It is getting old exposing you liberals and your liberal sources 3 or 4 times a week"

I am confused. Did 144 members of the Iraqi parlaiment sign the legislation? Yes. They did. I don't give a rats ass about your "liberals are on the side of the terrorists" bullshit. The statement was that a MAJORITY of the government that we spent thousands of lives and billions of dollars establishing wants us out. It doesn't "depend on source of info". Its a fact. I know you can't deal with reality, so just go back to your "damn freedom hating liberals" nonsense.
 

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OK Doggy. First you claim to be exposing some false liberal source, then when Fox is reporting the same thing you merely say that they are being fair and balanced. Well, apparently the liberal source was accurate and so you exposed nothing. ...Then you ask if people are at home for some reason and fall back into the liberals = terrorists line that you love so much. You are kind of reminding me of a dog chasing his own tail over and over and over and over again.
 
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