Marine in trouble for shooting enemy

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Report: Marine kills wounded prisoner

November 16, 2004

By STEVEN R. HURST The Associated Press


NEW YORK ? A U.S. Marine shot and killed a wounded and apparently unarmed Iraqi prisoner in a mosque in the former insurgent stronghold of Fallujah, according to dramatic pool television pictures broadcast Monday.

A Marine spokesman in Washington said the shooting was under investigation.

The shooting Saturday was videotaped by pool correspondent Kevin Sites of NBC television, who said three other previously wounded prisoners in the mosque apparently also had been shot again by the Marines inside the mosque.

The incident played out as the Marines 3rd Battalion, 1st Regiment, returned to the unidentified Fallujah mosque Saturday. Sites was embedded with the unit.

Sites reported that a different Marine unit had come under fire from the mosque on Friday. Those Marines stormed the building, killing ten men and wounding five others, Sites said. The Marines said the fighters in the mosque had been armed with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 rifles.

The Marines had treated the wounded, he reported, left them behind and continued on Friday with their drive to retake the city from insurgents who have been battling U.S.-led occupation forces in Iraq with increasing ferocity and violence in recent months.

On the video as the camera moved into the mosque during the Saturday incident, a Marine can be heard shouting obscenities in the background, yelling that one of the men was only pretending to be dead.

The video then showed a Marine raising his rifle toward a prisoner laying on the floor of the mosque, but neither NBC nor CNN showed the bullet hitting the man. At that moment the video was blacked out, but the report of the rifle could be heard.

The blacked out portion of the video tape, provided later to Associated Press Television News and other members of the network pool, showed the bullet striking the man in the upper body, possibly the head. His blood splatters on the wall behind him and his body goes limp.

Sites reported a Marine in the same unit had been killed just a day earlier when he tended to the booby-trapped dead body of an insurgent.

The events on the videotape began as some of the Marines from the unit accompanied by Sites approached the mosque on Saturday, a day after it was stormed by other Marines.

Gunfire can be heard from inside the mosque, and at its entrance, Marines who were already in the building emerge. They are asked by an approaching Marine lieutenant if there were insurgents inside and if the Marines had shot any of them. A Marine can be heard responding affirmatively. The lieutenant then asks if they were armed and fellow Marine shrugs.

Sites' account said the wounded men, who he said were prisoners and who were hurt in the previous day's attack, had been shot again by the Marines on the Saturday visit.

The videotape showed two of the wounded men propped against the wall and Sites said they were bleeding to death. According his report, a third wounded man appeared already dead, while a fourth was severely wounded, but breathing. The fifth was covered by a blanket, but did not appear to have been shot again after the Marines returned. It was the fourth man who was shown being shot.

A spokesman at Marine Corps headquarters in the Pentagon, Maj. Doug Powell, said the incident was "being investigated." He had no further details, other than to confirm the incident happened on Saturday and that the Marines involved were part of the 1st Marine Division.

The CNN broadcast of the pictures used pixilation to cover parts of the video that could lead to public identification of the Marines involved.

NBC's Robert Padavick told members of the U.S. television pool that the Pentagon had ordered NBC and other pool members to make sure the Marines identity was hidden because "they (the military authorities) are anticipating a criminal investigation as a result of this incident and do not want to implicate anybody ahead of that."

In New York, NBC spokeswoman Allison Gollust said the network did not broadcast the prisoner being shot because of the "graphic nature" of the video.
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My question is this.

Why would the soldier do this when he knew the cameras were there ? He had to know that it was wrong and he could be charged if that got out.
 

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He had maybe 15-20 seconds to make a decision. Rules of engagement orders give a # of things that could happen, most of them bad. Was he under a blanket? His orders were probably "shoot it if it moves" That would have been mine
 

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Maybe that insurgent should have thought twice about staying in Fallujah, or not surrendering. Grusome tape, but that's why they call it war.

Looks like all the other Marines are defending this guy. I don't blame him either, I would have done the same thing. Could you imagine the pressure of having bullets fly by your head for 7 days straight?? Operating under that extreme pressure with probably no sleep and the fear of having your head blown off at any second? I saw a marine interviewed today and he said without hesitation would have put 2 bullets in that insurgent's head too.

Sites reported that a different Marine unit had come under fire from the mosque on Friday. Those Marines stormed the building, killing ten men and wounding five others, Sites said. The Marines said the fighters in the mosque had been armed with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 rifles.


I don't blame the guy one goddamn bit. He killed a terrorist. NICE WORK!
 

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Manson, I gotta agree with you on this one. As that terrorist William Tecumseh Sherman said: "War is Hell."

I'll save MY tears for our Marines.
 

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marine did exactly right thing, if suspicious shoot first.

here you can see the views from both sides, check ruskies in chechenya , content of those links is very disturbing. DO NOT OPEN if you feel that you don't know if you want to see it.
i mean it.

http://www.thenausea.com/usa-iraq.html

war without rules is sickest thing that can be
 

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a couple of other facts to add to their reporters statement

"Sites reported a Marine in the same unit had been killed just a day earlier when he tended to the booby-trapped dead body of an insurgent.
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Pentagon sources told FOX News that the Marine who shot the wounded Iraqi has been taken off the battlefield and the incident is under investigation. It could have serious implications for the U.S. Marines and their conduct on the battlefield.

But military sources also told FOX News that enemy fighters have used the tactic of feigning a wound to draw U.S. soldiers in, then opening fire on them. The Marine who apparently killed the injured fighter had reportedly been shot in the face the day before, FOX News has learned.

Insurgents have also been known to rig dead bodies with explosive devices that go off when U.S. troops approach.
 

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the media just had to report this......didn`t they?.....

i take it,it was american media......

i hate our media...my own personal opinion....they will make any effort in iraq much harder than it already is.....

and it`s a bear....

as i said in the "killing innocent women thread"...."fool me once,shame on you"...."fool me twice,shame on me"......

i just thank the good lord that there was no such thing as an "embedded" media in any wars prior to viet nam....

i know there were guys like ernie pyle....war correspondents.....but,they were on OUR side...
 

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did what a marine has to do! nothing wrong for it , did the guy a favor
 

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Agree 100%. If an Iraqi had done that or remotely that to an American combatant he would be charged with a war crime and would never see the light of day.
My heart goes out to future captives.
 

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what future captives are you talking about,dan????....not american captives....

they are beheading captives....civilians...shooting innocent women....you name it...

i hope no one thinks that they are doing anything other than brutally murdering any soldiers unfortunate enough to fall into their hands....
 

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That Marine makes my dick hard.

I heard they got some of the transcripts of things being said before and after the shot too, This is from the washington's AFP.

"The marine was then heard to say "He's f--king faking he's dead. He's faking he's f--king dead."

Sites said he then saw the marine raise his rifle and fire point blank at the man's head.

"Well, he's dead now," another marine shouted.

The reporter said the marine who shot the Iraqi later said he did not know the man was unarmed.

The reports said the unnamed marine had been wounded in the face the day before the killing but had returned to duty almost immediately."




Marines. When it absolutely positively has to be destroyed overnight
 
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Just a couple days prior, right up the street, a few marines were injured when the body of a downed terrorist was booby-trapped and the bomb went off. Just goes to show that the U.S. Military needs to protect themselves instead of worrying about the the terrorists' well-being.

Why was that terrorist there in that mosque in the first place? TO KILL AMERICANS!
 

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QUOTE:Sites reported a Marine in the same unit had been killed just a day earlier when he tended to the booby-trapped dead body of an insurgent.



This poor Marine will be made a scapegoat because the "imbeded media" was there to report it. Do you think any other Marines who had been shot at for a week straight would say anything to anybody? I doubt it!!!

Since when are there rules in a WAR?????
 

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To paraphrase RexBudler and taken from the movie "Jackie Brown"

"When you absolutly, positively have to kill every Mother F***** in the room, the M-16 is the weapon on choice" :firing:
 

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You can be sure that any Marine that falls into the hands of these subhumans (yes, I said subhumans) is brutally tortured in a way that makes the Japanese in the Pacific look like Mother Teresa.

Thank God for our Marines. They do the dirty jobs that noone else will do. Always have, always will. Why did this reporter release this video? What purpose does this serve? To show the American public that war is a dirty business? Those of us who aren't sheltered little fancy boys already KNOW that this is true. Are we supposed to be shocked and outraged? The only thing that outrages me is the brutal executions of hostages and the fact that there are NO voices that I hear in the Moslem world condemning THESE acts of barbarity against noncombatants.

As much as Christian Fundamentalists piss me off I don't see them slashing throats of Moslem hostages or even taking hostages anywhere in the world - yet.
 
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