We train them to kill not be policeman. War as it was in WW II all started to change in Korea. And it sure as hell did in Nam. If you invade you can get stuck in a mud hole. Thats why Bush 41 did stop when he did in 91 war. He was smarter then his son.
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it excites me, it makes me proud to have earned the title, it makes me want to get over there and be part of it. Standing proud, imposing your authority, and letting those little turds over there know that the Corps will not tolerate that crap.
Think of it as payback for Beirut in 1983.
Think of it as payback for Beirut in 1983.
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such a price for democracy. You just don't get it
djv. The war is to make this a safer place for our grandchildren not for us. Yes our men and woman will die. They are fighting proudly. Don't degrade them by your cynical thinking.
I know you don't understand the whys now, but when you are long gone, people of other generations will look back on history and say...
Thank God Bush Jr went into Iraq and our troops died so that others could be free.
Believe it.
God Bless the USA
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go get em Bill
Human Rights and the Marine Controversy
Thursday, November 18, 2004
By Bill O'Reilly
Human rights and the Marine controversy, that is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points" memo. As I stated last night, I believe the Marine who shot the wounded insurgent in a Fallujah (search) mosque is innocent of any and all wrongdoing. The videotape of the incident clearly shows the Marine thought the prone insurgent was a danger. He says this aloud right before he shoots.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's moving. He's faking he's dead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's breathing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's faking his own death.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
Faking death is a violation of the rules of war. And just one day earlier, another Marine from the same unit was killed by a booby trap tied to the corpse of an Iraqi. Those of us who have experienced combat know that life, death situations occur in seconds, in a snap. There is no time to think, just to react.
That Marine protected himself and his comrades. If that prone Iraqi had a grenade or an explosive device, everybody in the room dies.
The Marine is now being investigated by the Pentagon and that's fair. What is not fair is some of the statements about the incident.
For example, Joe Stork from Human Rights Watch (search) said, "If it is what it appears to be, then obviously it would be a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions (search). It would probably be a war crime."
Bull. And Human Rights knows it. After Storr said that, James Ross, a legal advisor to the group said this. "But if someone feigns being incapacitated or killed, and then uses that to trick someone and shoot them, that's a war crime, and must justify the shooting in this case"
Amnesty International also weighed in. Its spokesman Allister Hodgett (search) opines, "This latest incident is just a further reminder that one cannot take it for granted that troops on the ground will strive to abide by the spirit and the letter of the law if they are not given leadership on the matter."
Well, here's a bulletin for Mr. Hodgett: U.S. Marines are among the best trained fighting units in the world. Both Human Rights Watch (search) and Amnesty International (search) believe the U.S.A. often causes worldwide problems. And those groups are backed by some heavy left-wing donations. George Soros (search) is even an advisor to Human Rights Watch.
As far as the American press is concerned, it's been cautious, although "The Los Angeles Times" once again has demonstrated its mandate. The bottom headline today read, "Marine May Be Charged in the Fallujah Killing of an Unarmed Fighter." The footage aired on Arab TV further tarnishing America's image.
Well, all of that may be true, although it's unlikely the Marine will be charged. But I ask you, is "The L.A. Times" being fair and balanced with that headline? You make the call.
Finally, "Talking Points" is making this story a personal mission. And we will make sure that Marine is treated fairly. It's the least we can do.
And that's "The Memo
Human Rights and the Marine Controversy
Thursday, November 18, 2004
By Bill O'Reilly
Human rights and the Marine controversy, that is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points" memo. As I stated last night, I believe the Marine who shot the wounded insurgent in a Fallujah (search) mosque is innocent of any and all wrongdoing. The videotape of the incident clearly shows the Marine thought the prone insurgent was a danger. He says this aloud right before he shoots.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's moving. He's faking he's dead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's breathing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's faking his own death.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
Faking death is a violation of the rules of war. And just one day earlier, another Marine from the same unit was killed by a booby trap tied to the corpse of an Iraqi. Those of us who have experienced combat know that life, death situations occur in seconds, in a snap. There is no time to think, just to react.
That Marine protected himself and his comrades. If that prone Iraqi had a grenade or an explosive device, everybody in the room dies.
The Marine is now being investigated by the Pentagon and that's fair. What is not fair is some of the statements about the incident.
For example, Joe Stork from Human Rights Watch (search) said, "If it is what it appears to be, then obviously it would be a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions (search). It would probably be a war crime."
Bull. And Human Rights knows it. After Storr said that, James Ross, a legal advisor to the group said this. "But if someone feigns being incapacitated or killed, and then uses that to trick someone and shoot them, that's a war crime, and must justify the shooting in this case"
Amnesty International also weighed in. Its spokesman Allister Hodgett (search) opines, "This latest incident is just a further reminder that one cannot take it for granted that troops on the ground will strive to abide by the spirit and the letter of the law if they are not given leadership on the matter."
Well, here's a bulletin for Mr. Hodgett: U.S. Marines are among the best trained fighting units in the world. Both Human Rights Watch (search) and Amnesty International (search) believe the U.S.A. often causes worldwide problems. And those groups are backed by some heavy left-wing donations. George Soros (search) is even an advisor to Human Rights Watch.
As far as the American press is concerned, it's been cautious, although "The Los Angeles Times" once again has demonstrated its mandate. The bottom headline today read, "Marine May Be Charged in the Fallujah Killing of an Unarmed Fighter." The footage aired on Arab TV further tarnishing America's image.
Well, all of that may be true, although it's unlikely the Marine will be charged. But I ask you, is "The L.A. Times" being fair and balanced with that headline? You make the call.
Finally, "Talking Points" is making this story a personal mission. And we will make sure that Marine is treated fairly. It's the least we can do.
And that's "The Memo
Fox had on line poll on whether viewer thought they should prosecute marine and had over 100,000 responses with total coming in at
98% no 2% yes
98% no 2% yes
THAT PUNK SHOULD BE SHOT AND PISSED ON. COLD BLOODED MURDERER. PEOPLE THAT THINK HE DID NO WRONG NEED ALOT OF HELP. SHOOTING AND UNARMED MAN THAT POSED NO DANGER TO YOU.
ARE YOU THE SAME CLOWNS THAT WATCH THE NICK AND JESSICA SHOW. OR BUY BRITNEY SPEARS AND MICHAEL JACKSON ALBUMS. OR WATCH JERRY SPRINGER.
NICE MORALS AND BELIEFS. IF THAT WAS AN UNARMED AMERICAN U WOULD BE WHINING LIKE THE LIL BTCHES U ARE.
PATHETIC. AND U WONDER WHY YR GOING DOWN THE DRAIN AS WE SPEAK. SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FK ARE U GUYS SMOKIN.
ARE YOU THE SAME CLOWNS THAT WATCH THE NICK AND JESSICA SHOW. OR BUY BRITNEY SPEARS AND MICHAEL JACKSON ALBUMS. OR WATCH JERRY SPRINGER.
NICE MORALS AND BELIEFS. IF THAT WAS AN UNARMED AMERICAN U WOULD BE WHINING LIKE THE LIL BTCHES U ARE.
PATHETIC. AND U WONDER WHY YR GOING DOWN THE DRAIN AS WE SPEAK. SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FK ARE U GUYS SMOKIN.
I LOVE WR said:
Actually, most Americans have been killed being unarmed. Maybe not in Iraq but in other places.
As or morals and going down the drain, you're somebody to speak, in Canada of all places. Chit, dope-heads, queers and any minority from any part of the world that wants to get out of their shithole countries goes to that frozen tundra and takes over your own culture (if ya'll still have any own-culture left). Yeah, right, the tolerant and diverse, MY ASS! I believe you're the one smokin', I mean it is legal there, ain't it?
And who the hell is going down the drain, asswipe? Maybe Europe is, but not us. The majority of of middle class somewhat cultured/educated people on this planet are FOR the United States on a vast majority of issues. If you'd get your ass out of the fukqing snowstorm you're in and go to another country for a vacation and SPEND a little more than $75 a month like most canadian tourists do, you'd see that mostly the weak, the adolescent rebels and the ill-willed hate filled scum protest against the US, mostly sponsored by corrupt political propagandists who blame all their own shortcomings on the Imperialist American pig are the ones protesting. All the while they are looking for a free handout.
Personally, I wouldn't have shot the arab mofo, I would have thrown a friggin' grenade into the damn house before going in and made sure I killed all that scum, just like an ex-colonel being interviewed said. War is a bitch, man. And then you die.
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Actually, most Americans have been killed being unarmed. Maybe not in Iraq but in other places.
SO THATS JUST AS KOSHER WITH YOU AS WHAT THE US MARINE DID. WOW SCARY
DRUGS IN CANADA PER RATIO CANT EVEN DREAM OF COMPETING WITH THE US. JUST BECAUSE LEGALIZING WEED MAKES SENSE DOESNT MEAN WE ALL DO DRUGS. SPEND THAT $75 AND FIND OUT BEFORE SPEAKING SILLY.
AND MORALS IN THE US AND CANADA ARE PATHETIC. BUT IF THE US CLEANED UP WHAT OUR KIDS HAVE TO WATCH ON TV IT WOULD BE A GOOD START. CANADIAN CHANNELS HAVE NONE OF THAT SMUT, NUDITY, VIOLENCE. ONLY THE GARBAGE US STATIONS DO. AGAIN THINK FIRST.
I TRAVEL TO STATES 3-4 TIMES A YEAR. SO YES I HAVE SEEN THE DECLINE FIRST HAND.
ANY COUNTRY THAT ALLOWS A RACE TO HAVE THEIR OWN TV CHANNEL IS JUST SCREAMING FOR FUTURE HELL. BET IS JUST PLAIN WRONG AND IMMORAL. AND RACIST.
QUEERS ONLY IN CANADA. YA OK. I ADMIT BOTH COUNTRIES NEED TO STRAIGHTEN THAT IMMORAL SHT UP.
The majority of of middle class somewhat cultured/educated people on this planet are FOR the United States on a vast majority of issues
I GUESS YOU JUST DONT READ OR WATCH THE NEWS DO YA. AGAIN QUITE SCARY.
UNLIKE YOU AND MOST AMERICANS I ADMIT CANADA IS NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE. TORONTO IS TURNING INTO LITTLE PAKI LAND, OR LITTLE CHINA OR LITTLE AFRICA. WHY? BECAUSE ITS FOUNDERS JUST DONT HAVE KIDS LIKE RABBITS LIKE CERTAIN MINORITIES DO.
I HAVE HEARD A VERY SMALL HANDFUL OF AMERICANS IN HERE ADMIT 'YA OUR COUNTRY IS F'D UP'. MOST JUST BS LIKE YOU.
THINK WHAT THE US AND CANADA WERE LIKE 15 YRS AGO OR 30 YRS AGO. NOW OUR COUNTRIES ARE DISGUSTING. ACTUALLY CANADA IS NICE JUST OUR MAJOR CITIES ARE DECLINING IN MORAL ISSUES.
LOOK WHATS ON TV. IM ASHAMED AS A HUMAN TO THINK HOW PATHETIC WE ARE TO JUST SIT BY AND ALLOW OUR KIDS AND NEXT GENERATIONS TO BE MANIPULATED LIKE THIS. WE'RE IN HUGE TROUBLE. TOO MUCH PORN AND VIOLENCE AND HATRED.
I LOVE PORN BUT ITS GOING TO CORRUPT YOUNG KIDS BEYOND REPAIR.
I WOULD LOVE TO START AN ORGANIZATION TO FIGHT THIS BUT WHO WOULD JOIN. WOULD YOU? DO YOU CARE ABOUT KIDS AND THEIR KIDS IN THE FUTURE.
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING INSTEAD OF SITTING AROUND GETTING FATTER AND HAIRIER.
SO THATS JUST AS KOSHER WITH YOU AS WHAT THE US MARINE DID. WOW SCARY
DRUGS IN CANADA PER RATIO CANT EVEN DREAM OF COMPETING WITH THE US. JUST BECAUSE LEGALIZING WEED MAKES SENSE DOESNT MEAN WE ALL DO DRUGS. SPEND THAT $75 AND FIND OUT BEFORE SPEAKING SILLY.
AND MORALS IN THE US AND CANADA ARE PATHETIC. BUT IF THE US CLEANED UP WHAT OUR KIDS HAVE TO WATCH ON TV IT WOULD BE A GOOD START. CANADIAN CHANNELS HAVE NONE OF THAT SMUT, NUDITY, VIOLENCE. ONLY THE GARBAGE US STATIONS DO. AGAIN THINK FIRST.
I TRAVEL TO STATES 3-4 TIMES A YEAR. SO YES I HAVE SEEN THE DECLINE FIRST HAND.
ANY COUNTRY THAT ALLOWS A RACE TO HAVE THEIR OWN TV CHANNEL IS JUST SCREAMING FOR FUTURE HELL. BET IS JUST PLAIN WRONG AND IMMORAL. AND RACIST.
QUEERS ONLY IN CANADA. YA OK. I ADMIT BOTH COUNTRIES NEED TO STRAIGHTEN THAT IMMORAL SHT UP.
The majority of of middle class somewhat cultured/educated people on this planet are FOR the United States on a vast majority of issues
I GUESS YOU JUST DONT READ OR WATCH THE NEWS DO YA. AGAIN QUITE SCARY.
UNLIKE YOU AND MOST AMERICANS I ADMIT CANADA IS NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE. TORONTO IS TURNING INTO LITTLE PAKI LAND, OR LITTLE CHINA OR LITTLE AFRICA. WHY? BECAUSE ITS FOUNDERS JUST DONT HAVE KIDS LIKE RABBITS LIKE CERTAIN MINORITIES DO.
I HAVE HEARD A VERY SMALL HANDFUL OF AMERICANS IN HERE ADMIT 'YA OUR COUNTRY IS F'D UP'. MOST JUST BS LIKE YOU.
THINK WHAT THE US AND CANADA WERE LIKE 15 YRS AGO OR 30 YRS AGO. NOW OUR COUNTRIES ARE DISGUSTING. ACTUALLY CANADA IS NICE JUST OUR MAJOR CITIES ARE DECLINING IN MORAL ISSUES.
LOOK WHATS ON TV. IM ASHAMED AS A HUMAN TO THINK HOW PATHETIC WE ARE TO JUST SIT BY AND ALLOW OUR KIDS AND NEXT GENERATIONS TO BE MANIPULATED LIKE THIS. WE'RE IN HUGE TROUBLE. TOO MUCH PORN AND VIOLENCE AND HATRED.
I LOVE PORN BUT ITS GOING TO CORRUPT YOUNG KIDS BEYOND REPAIR.
I WOULD LOVE TO START AN ORGANIZATION TO FIGHT THIS BUT WHO WOULD JOIN. WOULD YOU? DO YOU CARE ABOUT KIDS AND THEIR KIDS IN THE FUTURE.
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING INSTEAD OF SITTING AROUND GETTING FATTER AND HAIRIER.
I LOVE WR said:
hey wr. Do you have to practice at being ignorant, or does it come naturally?
I'd love to see your yellow bellied ass in a theatre of war. That would be better reality TV than Nick and Jessica and Anna Nicole swalling vicodins
and shopping for purple haired lesbos!
I love wr. swingin his balls in Iraq! hahahaha
as for the Fallujah issue you spew forth your reckless opinion on, I would have shot that son of a bitch//
or would you wait for him to slit your soft white underbelly? A day or so before that marine killed that MUSLIM EXTREMIST, one troop was killed and four others were injured by a booby trapped corpse. Lie by omission, i'll call you on it. Be careful, ya whining sissy. get a hold of yourself!
It doesn't matter one bit whether the insurgent should have been shot or not. My guess is I would likely have done the same thing as the marine - but then again who am I to even guess - I can't imagine what he and his fellow troops were going through.
ALL that matters is the result - which is more recruitment for terror groups AND more difficulty in winning hearts and minds. We have to know that's what footage of these incidents cause. We better be ready. Guilt or innocence of the marine is completely irrelevant.
ALL that matters is the result - which is more recruitment for terror groups AND more difficulty in winning hearts and minds. We have to know that's what footage of these incidents cause. We better be ready. Guilt or innocence of the marine is completely irrelevant.
Put the shoe on the other foot---
Do you think everyday footage of them killing their own--and beheadings of civilians has any impact on free world.
If you think it isn't been a wake up call to Europe--think again.
As they proved on 911-Spain and every country they exist in--they don't need a reason--Its them against EVERY society and the wake up is just "how" extreme and inhumane they are. You think the footage of their atrocities is helping their cause--I don't think so.
What your seeing is a reversal in Europe if you have read any of Cman posts. What your going to see in next few years is retaliation against them by evryone--unfortunately the goodMuslims will suffer also--but then again until they decide to take action against the extremists and help police their own I can't say I feel that sorry for them.
Do you think everyday footage of them killing their own--and beheadings of civilians has any impact on free world.
If you think it isn't been a wake up call to Europe--think again.
As they proved on 911-Spain and every country they exist in--they don't need a reason--Its them against EVERY society and the wake up is just "how" extreme and inhumane they are. You think the footage of their atrocities is helping their cause--I don't think so.
What your seeing is a reversal in Europe if you have read any of Cman posts. What your going to see in next few years is retaliation against them by evryone--unfortunately the goodMuslims will suffer also--but then again until they decide to take action against the extremists and help police their own I can't say I feel that sorry for them.
In Iraq, the one's attempting to police their own are getting massacred in wholesale numbers. An Iraqi policeman must be the most dangerous job in the world - barely ahead of NYC cabbie 
Yes - the opposite footage certainly re-affirms the free world that we are dealing with subhuman scum. BUT it also makes most countries believe that we never should have invaded. Iraq wasn't a beheading crazed anarchy before invasion. Margaret Hassan lived in Saddam's Iraq for over 20 years - helping peple the whole way. She lasted less than 2 under American occupation. Yes - Saddam was a tyrrant, but how many actual terrorists were doing anything in Iraq?
Face it - we were the only country (and Israel) who's PEOPLE were in favor of invasion - and that was still barely over 50%. The Madrid train bombing did not make more Spanish want to be in Iraq - it served the opposite and re-affirmed the population's feeling that nothing good would come of their military involvement.
Yes - the opposite footage certainly re-affirms the free world that we are dealing with subhuman scum. BUT it also makes most countries believe that we never should have invaded. Iraq wasn't a beheading crazed anarchy before invasion. Margaret Hassan lived in Saddam's Iraq for over 20 years - helping peple the whole way. She lasted less than 2 under American occupation. Yes - Saddam was a tyrrant, but how many actual terrorists were doing anything in Iraq?
Face it - we were the only country (and Israel) who's PEOPLE were in favor of invasion - and that was still barely over 50%. The Madrid train bombing did not make more Spanish want to be in Iraq - it served the opposite and re-affirmed the population's feeling that nothing good would come of their military involvement.
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