Martha Burke quote

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"If women are qualified for combat, they are qualified to be members at Augusta National"

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wonder if she knows that membership at Augusta National you have to be worth about 9 digits you bitch and ALSO have another member like you enough to get you in....I dont think Private Jones is exactly on the waiting list to get in right now
 

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I'm glad she made the combat/Augusta comparision simply because it made her look how out of the loop she really is. There's a lot of causes worth fighting for.... this is not one of them.
 

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what an f*****g idiot...... does she ever listen to her own stupid banter??? if there was a club that had nothing but women members and no men, do you think ANY man would give a shit??? hell no, we wouldn't!!!!!!!!!! with so much going on in this world of our's can't she find anything better to do? and finally, the combat/Augusta comparison.......don't even get me started...............:mad: :mad:
 

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1) She's totally hot so you guys better be careful about what you say just in case you ever get a chance to nail her.

2) No crap you need 9 digits to get in, but even if a woman has the 9 digits, its the lack of the digit between her legs that keeps her out.

3) The point with her combat comparison is that even in the most macho scenario imaginable, WAR, women are allowed to do it, but somehow Augusta thinks its more special than the military or something.

4) Where the military comparison falls is that the military is government but Augusta is private. I still think a private organization should be able to maintain a male-only policy. That's really the point here. Can no club anywhere be male only, whether its a chess club, poker club, lions, elks, masons, etc. etc. etc. Is the Masters under fire just because its HUGE?

5) That said -- she should still be able to protest (this is AMERICA, after all) and pressure sponsors, particularly if the club relies on sponsors. If the sponsors believe that their sponsorship will lead to a large enough boycott (or bad press) to make it NOT worth their while, then they have the right to pull out. If that's powerful enough to get them to change their policy, then that's the power that she carries. That's simply a valid method of protest in today's world. We'll wait and see who wins, but you can't deny her the right to protest. It's not like she's firebombing the place or shooting members as they go in.

6) Good. No commercials.
 

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What about the potential millions of dollars that Augusta sends to charities, which would be lost because of the loss of sponsorship?

How much do you think Martha gives to charities? Do you think she cares if charities loose money?

No?just as long as she is getting some publicity, it doesn't matter what happens.
 

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I don't think it's as simple as "augusta doesn't get money from Cadillac. Augusta doesn't give to charities."

I'm in a list-making mood, so....

1) Every company that advertises there gives money to charities and foundations (I'm assuming that. Any company the size of those that advertise at the Masters has foundations and what not that they give to). So right off, they potentially have more money for charities.

2) They all see potential damage to their bottom line by their sponsorship, further reducing their potential donations.

3) You're basically pitting one cause (women's rights) against another (some Augusta beneficiary). You, clearly, don't see women's rights (if you could even call this women's rights...) as, important as, say, a Leukemia Foundation (or whatever Augusta gives to) but some do.
 

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This is from another post of mine... Another list for you.

Martha Burk should not be in the news. Her cause is petty and her goal is nothing less than an increased sense of self-importance that comes with publicity.

Martha Burk is the hyper-feminist who has decided that her path to fame and perhaps fortune leads to Augusta National Golf Club. Burk wants Augusta National to accept a woman member. Augusta National is a private club. It pays taxes. It donates millions of dollars a year to charity. It?s very limited and exclusive membership is all-male. A very happy hunting ground indeed for a bitter woman who has a record of seeking public prominence through protest and outrageous conduct.

So, how does a woman like Martha Burk manage to find a place on the public stage? She is supported by an eager media. Media types revel in bringing down the powerful. Members of Augusta National are seen as powerful, so there is no small number of editors, producers, reporters and media owners around the country that would like to slap these men around a little bit. I?m told that some newspaper editors are telling their sports reporters that they will not be permitted to cover the Masters tournament at Augusta this year if they do not agree to file at least one, if not more, Martha Burk story.

I thought, then, that you might enjoy some information about Martha Burk that surely won?t be in those mandatory stories filed from Augusta during the Masters. Hold on, it?s a dark and depressing ride.

1) Conservative organizations are not permitted to join Martha Burk?s National Council of Women?s Organizations. It would be more aptly named the National Council of Leftist Women?s Organizations.

2) Several member organizations in Burk?s NCWO restrict membership to women only. These are tax-exempt rganizations. Burk sees nothing wrong with this.

3) In 1997 Martha Burk campaigned for the forced sterilization of all men in America. She proposed that this forced sterilization begin at puberty and that a panel of experts, presumably appointed by people who share her views, would then determine when this sterilization could be reversed and the man permitted to father a child.

4)Martha Burk is a fan of racial and gender quotas. She believes that men should be limited to one-half of the top jobs in business and government.

5) Burk is demanding that the wife of any professional golfer who plays in The Masters withhold sex from her husband.

6) In an effort to show how really out of touch she is with reality, Burk has suggested that The Masters be moved so some other golf course.

7) Later Burk admitted that ?I don?t know very much about this club.?

8) Burk has stated that she wants to enlist motorcycle gangs to help her with her protests against Augusta National. Then she acts surprised when Augusta city officials try to put restrictions on when and where she can demonstrate with her motorcycle pals.

9) To get an idea of what Martha Burk thinks about conservatives, just look at her comments about the Independent Women?s Forum, a group that George Will refers to as ?indispensable? and The Chicago Tribune called a group of ?? very, very smart women.? Burk calls the IWF ? .. a right-wing organization formed by the wives and handmaidens of conservative politicians? and a ?pack of she-wolves.?

10) Martha Burk, like so many other activists, has attempted to wrap herself in a cloak of patriotism by exploiting the presence of women serving in our military in Iraq in her campaign against Augusta National.

11) In February Burk made a taxpayer-funded trip to Estonia to participate in a conference on women?s issues. While there on the taxpayer?s dime she slammed President Bush. At one dinner session Burk toasted to ?having a different U.S. President? when the next conference rolled around.

12) Burked has made derogatory remarks about the appearance and even the accent of Augusta National Chairman Hootie Johnson. One can only imagine what happens if someone commented Burk?s appearance. Hint: She?s not attractive.

13) Burk tried to aim her protests to the PGA Tour. Tour commissioner Tim Finchem told Burk that The Masters was not a PGA event and that the PGA Tour had nothing to do with it. Burk then called Finchem ?amoral.? ?Amoral? means without moral standards or principals. So ? Tim Finchem explains to Martha Burk that cold, hard fact that the PGA Tour is not involved with Augusta National or The Masters golf tournament ? and it means that he has no moral standards or principals.


It?s is clear that Martha Burk is just another leftist-feminist activist out to make a name for herself. Polls show that the vast majority of American people, men and women, aren?t the least bit concerned over the membership policies of Augusta National Golf Club. No law is being violated, and most people think that they should be left alone. Without media support --- without editors and producers ordering their writers and broadcasters to do ?Martha Burk stories? during the Masters --- she would fade back into the obscurity she so richly deserves.

A side note: In an effort to avoid controversy Augusta National has cancelled all tournament sponsorships this year. In the past those sponsorships have led to multi-million dollar charitable contributions by Augusta National. This year the members have decided to dip into club coffers to make sure that these charities are still funded at the same rate as last year.

Evil men, aren?t they?
 

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What's your point?

You can write all that you want slamming her personally (that seems to be your style). You can write that she's a murderer, a hypocrite, a bad lay and a shitty cook. It doesn't matter if she wants men's jobs limited to 50% or that she doesnt' realize what it means to move the Masters to another course.

It doesn't change the fact that Augusta National doesn't admit woman members and THAT's her issue. She sees it as one of the last vestiges of sexism, as it was one of the last vestiges of racism, and that's why she's against it. Of course she wants publicity. Everyone with a cause wants publicity. Is that even a criticism. Bush wants publicity. Nader wants publicity. Publicity is how shit gets done.

Man, I think that would be hilarious if the wives of these guys withheld sex. I'd like to see how fast they give it up when HE starts withholding MONEY. We might see just how far their caddies are willing to go for them.
 

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You can write all that you want slamming her personally (that seems to be your style). You can write that she's a murderer, a hypocrite, a bad lay and a shitty cook. It doesn't matter if she wants men's jobs limited to 50% or that she doesnt' realize what it means to move the Masters to another course.

How did I slam her personally? She said it, not me. You act like I made it up or something.

Several member organizations in Burk?s NCWO restrict membership to women only. These are tax-exempt rganizations. Burk sees nothing wrong with this.

What is that we call these kinds of people...Oh ya, hypocrites.
 

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"Her cause is petty and her goal is nothing less than an increased sense of self-importance that comes with publicity."

"Martha Burk is the hyper-feminist who has decided that her path to fame and perhaps fortune leads to Augusta National Golf Club."

These statements belittle her philosophy and motives and person. They're personal attacks. "Her cause is petty" is an attempt not to actually argue her cause but to demean it.

The rest of your post is simply there to discredit HER, and ignore what she's actually protesting.

Probably, because you know if you boil down what she's protesting, you're going to come right back around to the fact that this is no different than Augusta's policies to keep out blacks. And the reasons for maintaining the ban are the same.

Besides, come on with some of this stuff. . .

Regarding "3) In 1997 Martha Burk campaigned for the forced sterilization of all men in America. "

A far cry from what you wrote.

Regarding 6 & 7. She doesn't need to know about the club. It's not about that. She knows what she needs to know -- they don't allow women members.
 

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This from the article she wrote.....

So how do we control men?s fertility? Mandatory contraception beginning at puberty, with the rule relaxed only for procreation under the right circumstances (he can afford it and has a willing partner) and for the right reasons (determined by a panel of experts, and with the persmission of his designated female partner). This could be easily accomplished with a masculine version of the contraceptive implants some judges are now trying to force on some women by court order.

I'm sorry....your right...again.
 

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Augusta's policy to keep out women is WAY different than keeping out a race.....

Who wants to go play golf with a bunch of old women yacking and babbling and slowing up the course out there???

Unless you play golf and are a member at a country club, you probably cant answer that question.....

Its nice to have a mens club where the boys can go hang out without this distraction.....absolutely NOTHING wrong with that....

The women can go have their clubs and we could care less about entering the "knitting" club or the "womens fitness center" or whatever....us men need our time away from women once in a while too
 

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I can think of several other womens' issues she could be applying her energy in that are a lot more important.:shrug:
 

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The best irony of Burk's whining is that, according to John Feinstein, her efforts will have a counter-effect on the Augusta board. In other words, if they would have considered allowing women, Burk's yapping will double that timetable for women to eventually gain admittance. It's a private club. The last thing they're going to do is have their hand forced by some feminist.
 

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Bucky - you said it simply and succinctly. There are so many women's issues that are more important than this one. Focusing on this trivializes the issues that are more significant.
 

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Martha Burk does NOT have ground to stand on here. This is a free country and a club that is self-sufficient should be allowed to name its members. I disagree that when you boil this down, it is the same issue as race. Black men are exactly the same as white men. Women are not the same. What's next? Do they have to allow family memberships as well. Instead of a relaxing day at the course, now you have 30 little tykes running around, screaming, driving your golf carts into the lakes.

Then what? But what if the Martha Burk's a crazy glue sniffer? Next thing you know there's change missing from your dresser and your daughter's knocked up. I've seen it a hundred times.:nono:
 

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anyone who has played behind a bunch of old slow women would know that it sure must be nice to have no squawkers out there ruining your outing....they all go to each others ball and watch every single shot and most have no clue about ready golf as they roll it down the fairway 50 yards all the while gossiping like there is no tomorrow

#1 group to go after in this country is well-to-do white males....very politically correct thing to do....after all they are the source of all our problems in this country...:rolleyes:

i think the motivation and real issue is much bigger than Augusta National and resides in this hatred
 

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I'd respond...

You say "we hate to play behind ladies because they're a bunch of gabbing slow moving duffers."

But, some would say, "we hate to play with blacks at the course because they're a bunch of (insert reason to dislike blacks here)."

In that sense they're the same.

Now honestly guys, I can't really get too fired up about this. Here's why.

I really think that a PRIVATE company should be able to discriminate. There are negatives associated with that though. In one case, it could be financially detrimental to them because they're excluding half the population (what if your bakery didn't sell cake to WOMEN. Good luck). With the money at Augusta National, that's not going to be a problem. HOWEVER, if they want to be PUBLIC -- in the sense that they want to make money from a tournament held at their course -- then they're simply going to be subjected to the "slings and arrows" from people that are going to use their discrimination for their own cause. If they require ad revenue, then people are going to target the advertisers.

As far as, "martha burk should be doing somehting more useful". Well, that's silly. Almost everyone should be doing something more useful. It's like me telling you "instead of criticizing martha burk, you should be volunteering in a soup kitchen." This is what she does.
 
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