McChrystal dumped as top general in Afghanistan

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I gotta believe he knew this would happen and just didn't want the job anymore.


AP Source: Obama ousts Afghan commander McChrystal
WASHINGTON ? President Barack Obama ousted Gen. Stanley McChrystal as the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan on Wednesday, choosing the embattled general's direct boss ? Gen. David Petraeus ? to take over the troubled 9-year-old war, a source told The Associated Press.

McChrystal was summoned to Washington from Kabul to explain scathing, mocking remarks about administration officials, including Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, by him and his team in a magazine article. But the morning showdown with Obama in the Oval Office was not enough to save his job.

McChrystal offered his resignation and Obama accepted it, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the president's decision was not yet made public.

Obama planned to speak at 1:30 p.m. EDT from the Rose Garden, accompanied by Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, about the controversy.

Petraeus, who attended a formal Afghanistan war meeting at the White House Wednesday, now oversees the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq as head of U.S. Central Command.

By pairing the decision on McChrystal's departure with the name of his replacement, Obama is seeking to move on as quickly as possible from the firestorm surrounding the Rolling Stone magazine story and the renewed debate over his Afghanistan policy that it provoked.

With Washington abuzz about this controversy, there was an almost complete lockdown on information about the morning's developments. It was not even known where McChrystal went after his half-hour meeting with Obama at the White House, which came not long after his early morning arrival from Afghanistan.

Petraeus is the nation's best-known military man, having risen to prominence as the commander who turned around the Iraq war in 2007. The Afghanistan job is actually a step down from his current post.

Petraeus has a reputation for rigorous discipline and careful attention to his image. He keeps a punishing pace ? spending more than 300 days on the road last year.

Petraeus briefly collapsed during Senate testimony last week, apparently from dehydration. It was a rare glimpse of weakness for a man known as among the military's most driven.

He is also among the brightest, and rose to command through a mix of brains and now has been adapted for Afghanistan.

Petraeus has repeatedly denied that he plans to run for president in 2012, and is said to want only one job: chairman of the joint Chiefs of Staff.

In the hearing last week, Petraeus told Congress he would recommend delaying the pullout of U.S. forces from Afghanistan beginning in July 2011 if need be, saying security and political conditions in Afghanistan must be ready to handle a U.S. drawdown.

That does not mean Petraeus is opposed to bringing some troops home, and he said repeatedly that he supports the new Afghanistan strategy that Obama announced in December. Petraeus' caution is rooted in the fact that the uniformed military ? and counterinsurgency specialists in particular ? have always been uncomfortable with fixed parameters.
 

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he was criticized for not getting emotional enough about the gulf oil spill....

looks like it takes a little criticism to get his back up....

thin skinned much?...:0002
 

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good old Rolling Stone Magazine.. who knew..:mj07:

amen....why would mccrystal let rolling stone(hardly a pro-military outfit) follow him and his crew around to do a story?.....

sure does make mccrystal look either arrogant or stupid (or both)....certainly regarding that decision...:banghead:
 

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he was criticized for not getting emotional enough about the gulf oil spill....

looks like it takes a little criticism to get his back up....

thin skinned much?...:0002

Damned if he did and damned if he didn't. Guys like you would say he was weak if he didn't fire his ass. Guys like you say he is weak because he did. Guys like you have cheerleaded this war since Bush, Chaney, and Rummy said 6 months tops,
 

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he was criticized for not getting emotional enough about the gulf oil spill....

looks like it takes a little criticism to get his back up....

thin skinned much?...:0002

GW....I don't think Obama is being "thin skinned" in this instance at all. I think it had to be done. A general cannot publicly criticize the commander in chief....& he cannot do it especially during war-time.
 

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why would mccrystal let rolling stone(hardly a pro-military outfit) follow him and his crew around to do a story?.....

sure does make mccrystal look either arrogant or stupid (or both)....certainly regarding that decision...:banghead:

Yeah really !!
 

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Damned if he did and damned if he didn't. Guys like you would say he was weak if he didn't fire his ass. Guys like you say he is weak because he did. Guys like you have cheerleaded this war since Bush, Chaney, and Rummy said 6 months tops,

i think mccrystal made a huge mistake....should never have given rolling stone the time of day...he should have been fired for that bad judgement alone...in essence i agree with ar1...

what really befuddles me is why obama picked petraues....

you remember him stevie?...general be-tray-us?....that add that move-on.org ran back in the day of the surge?....

the ad that congress voted to condemn...but obama abstained from voting on?....... couldn`t bring himself to condemn that pathetic ad demeaning a great general like petraues...

after the way so many dems tried so hard to undermuiine our effort in iraq("the war`s lost"...."our soldiers are murderers")...reid,murtha,kerry.obama et al.....is it surprising that theres some residual hard feelings from some in the military?.....

don`t think so...
 
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GW....I don't think Obama is being "thin skinned" in this instance at all. I think it had to be done. A general cannot publicly criticize the commander in chief....& he cannot do it especially during war-time.

I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but I believe he did the right thing. Truman did it to McArthur. You just can't say this stuff publicly.
I really think What McCrystal said is widely believed, he is just the sacrificial lamb.
And congrats to Rolling Stone ! never thought I would say that. :0008
 

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I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but I believe he did the right thing. Truman did it to McArthur. You just can't say this stuff publicly.
I really think What McCrystal said is widely believed, he is just the sacrificial lamb.
And congrats to Rolling Stone ! never thought I would say that. :0008

They can believe it all they want, but they should not or cannot say anything that undermines the war effort & embarrass this country. And publically saying anything negative about the President of the US is an embarrassment to this country.
 

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They can believe it all they want, but they should not or cannot say anything that undermines the war effort & embarrass this country. And publically saying anything negative about the President of the US is an embarrassment to this country.

I agree 100%. It does undermine us. Good to catch it now, in case his unhappiness led to poor decisions and cost's soldiers their lives.
I'm anxious to see what the dem's have to say about Gen "Betrayus", especially since they hated him. I'm guessing since he is appointed by Obama he will be a freakin hero.
I hate the way politics works.
 

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i think mccrystal made a huge mistake....should never have given rolling stone the time of day...he should have been fired for that bad judgement alone...in essence i agree with ar1...

what really befuddles me is why obama picked petraues....

you remember him stevie?...general be-tray-us?....that add that move-on.org ran back in the day of the surge?....

the ad that congress voted to condemn...but obama abstained from voting on?....... couldn`t bring himself to condemn that pathetic ad demeaning a great general like petraues...

after the way so many dems tried so hard to undermuiine our effort in iraq("the war`s lost"...."our soldiers are murderers")...reid,murtha,kerry.obama et al.....is it surprising that theres some residual hard feelings from some in the military?.....

don`t think so...

Hey, I am trying to figure out why we are still there? Betrayus or not. So as you see don't expect me to defend Obama on anything to do with this quagmire of a War all these Generals thought was a good idea. Six months tops I think they said. Rummy would not of lied to is would he?
 
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Put the ten military guys who Bush fired back in charge. You know the guys who told him what would happen but Cheney and Bush didn't want to hear it cause it would have hurt their war profits. How about we just leave. It is such an embarassment the greedy neo-con and their gullible followers got us stuck in. Just leave already.
 

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this is a good gig for petraues...he doesn`t have to "win" the "good war"(obama) ...

all he has to do is manage the withdrawal thats already been announced in 2011....

pretty cool idea...announcing your withdrawal before the war is over or decided....

that what i call strategy,baby!....:mj07:
 

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Put the ten military guys who Bush fired back in charge. You know the guys who told him what would happen but Cheney and Bush didn't want to hear it cause it would have hurt their war profits. How about we just leave. It is such an embarassment the greedy neo-con and their gullible followers got us stuck in. Just leave already.

Lets not forget our bases in the other 100 countries or so around the world. Its time to come home.
 

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Put the ten military guys who Bush fired back in charge. You know the guys who told him what would happen but Cheney and Bush didn't want to hear it cause it would have hurt their war profits. How about we just leave. It is such an embarassment the greedy neo-con and their gullible followers got us stuck in. Just leave already.

?This is not a war of choice,? he said in a speech in August. ?This is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which al-Qaeda would plot to kill more Americans. So this is not only a war worth fighting. This is fundamental to the defense of our people.?

take a wild guess who this quote belongs to,colonel spongy...;)
 

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?This is not a war of choice,? he said in a speech in August. ?This is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which al-Qaeda would plot to kill more Americans. So this is not only a war worth fighting. This is fundamental to the defense of our people.?

take a wild guess who this quote belongs to,colonel spongy...;)

Another reason why every post WWII president continues to further the agenda of the Military Industrial Complex. War crimes be damned.
 
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