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Greenspan Urges Social Security Cuts
Source: Associated Press
Publication date: 2004-02-25



Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan urged Congress on Wednesday to deal with the country's escalating budget deficit by cutting benefits for future Social Security retirees. Without action, he warned, long-term interest rates would rise, seriously harming the economy.
In testimony before the House Budget Committee, Greenspan said the current deficit situation, with a projected record red ink of $521 billion this year, will worsen dramatically once the baby boom generation starts becoming eligible for Social Security benefits in just four years.

He said the prospect of the retirement of 77 million baby boomers will radically change the mix of people working and paying into the Social Security retirement fund and those drawing benefits from the fund.

"This dramatic demographic change is certain to place enormous demands on our nation's resources - demands we will almost surely be unable to meet unless action is taken," Greenspan said. "For a variety of reasons, that action is better taken as soon as possible."

President Bush said he had not seen Greenspan's comments, nor spoken to him, and declined to respond directly to a reporter's question about them.

Bush said that "my position on Social Security benefits is, those benefits should not be changed for people at or near retirement."

He renewed his call for personal savings accounts for younger workers that he said "would make sure those younger workers receive benefits equal to or greater than that which is expected." And Bush repeated his promise to cut the deficit in half over five years.

While Greenspan urged urgency, Congress is unlikely to take up the controversial issue of cutting Social Security benefits in an election year.

Greenspan, who turns 78 next week, said that the benefits now received by current retirees should not be touched but he suggested trimming benefits for future retirees and doing it soon enough so that they could begin making adjustments to their own finances to better prepare for retirement.

Greenspan did not rule out using tax increases to deal with the looming crisis in Social Security, but he said that tax hikes should only be considered after every effort had been made to trim benefits.

"I am just basically saying that we are overcommitted at this stage," Greenspan said in response to committee questions. "It is important that we tell people who are about to retire what it is they will have." He warned that the government should not "promise more than we are able to deliver."

While the country is currently enjoying the lowest interest rates in more than four-decades, Greenspan warned that this situation will not last forever. He said financial markets will begin pushing long-term interest rates higher if investors do not see progress being made in dealing with the projected huge deficits that will occur once the baby boomers begin retiring.

"We are going to be confronted ... in a few years with an upward ratcheting of long-term interest rates which will be very debilitating for long-term growth," Greenspan told the committee if the deficit problem is not addressed.

Greenspan suggested two ways that benefits could be trimmed. He said that the annual cost-of-living adjustments for those receiving benefits could be made using a new version of the Consumer Price Index called the chain-weighted index, which gives lower readings on inflation.

He also said that the age for retirement should be indexed in some way to take into account longer lifespans. He noted that presently the age for being able to get full Social Security benefits is rising from 65 to 67 as one of the changes Congress adopted in the mid-1980s, based on recommendations of a commission Greenspan chaired. In his testimony, Greenspan said Congress should go further and index the retirement age so that it will keep rising.

As he has in the past, Greenspan called on Congress to reinstitute rules that require any future tax cuts to be paid for either by spending cuts or increases in other taxes.

While that would erect a high hurdle to Bush's call for making his 2001 and 2003 tax cuts permanent, estimated to cost at least $1 trillion over a decade, Greenspan again repeated his belief that spending cuts rather than tax increases were the best way to deal with the exploding deficit.

While not ruling out totally the use of tax increases to deal with at least part of the looming surge in spending on Social Security, Medicare and other entitlement programs, Greenspan urged caution in increasing taxes.

"Tax rate increases of sufficient dimension to deal with our looming fiscal problems arguably pose significant risks to economic growth and the revenue base," Greenspan said. "The exact magnitude of such risks is very difficult to estimate, but they are of enough concern, in my judgment, to warrant aiming to close the fiscal gap primarily, if not wholly, from the outlay side."


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Reminds me of Catch 22 where they kept raising the number of missions required before aircrew tours were complete.

( I'm pretty sure that actually did happen in WW2 )
 

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It's a dam shame if they had not borrowed and took so much from it over the last 50 years. There would be plenty for 50 years. Not only plenty but they could give out 2% increase every year. Just think that would give them 50 years to get ready.
Greenspan warning is good because it does get everyone to understand this deficit Bush is running. Will catch up and hurt us all in a couple of years.
 

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The SSA, and the rest of the Government Wheel, have known this shit for years! Let's not burry our heads in the sand for 60 years, and now shout, "The sky is falling!" These people are a joke.

Why they can't come clean and say, "There is no money left", is beyond me.
 

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The bigger joke is no one will even talk about raising the retirement age, that would solve this entire problem! The retirment age was created whenever the system was laid out which is what the life expectancy was at that point in time. Fortunately, we now live like 15 years longer on average, therefore the retirement age should be raised.
 

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It was raised. I believe you mean more. Its now 66/67/68 for many. And if you take early 62/63/64. They cut the amount 25%. And it's really closer to 30%. You can always mean test it to. Just have those making over say 75000 a year get just alittle less. I now sounds like were screwing the rich again. But truth is they dont need it as bad. That is only two ways to do it. Hike the age more or means test it. You hike the age more and you can hurt just a ton of Mom's and Pop's. You means test it and you may hurt the top 2%. I believe its like 85000 right now so it would just be dropped 10000 grand. And maybe the age ned to go up another year acrosse the board. But when do you start it. And how many do you hurt. This item alone can cause elections to be won and lost. There are so many folks in the under 75000 grand a year area. They will fight like hell. I would guess the under 75000 grand a year folks are 75% of this country.
 

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acehistr8 said:
The bigger joke is no one will even talk about raising the retirement age, that would solve this entire problem! The retirment age was created whenever the system was laid out which is what the life expectancy was at that point in time. Fortunately, we now live like 15 years longer on average, therefore the retirement age should be raised.


UMMMM......which cave have you been hiding in for the past 10 years Ace? :( they are constantly raising the age of eligibility for full SSI..... (guessing that is why 6-5 listed 75 for his retirement....it could be when he is eligible for *full* benefits, if he doesn't opt for early retiremnet)
 

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We all know the SS is not something to rely on. For the people that didn't understand this and are now in their 60s, I do feel bad. From this day forward, people should be preparing other forms of income. If it's there, all the better. The current (or past several) Administrations can not be held fully liable for the msitakes that have been made on this program from the beginning. It's a tough one to tackle.

There was an 18 year old on the news tonight that said she didn't think it was fair that all of the hard work that she has put in is not going to be there when she retires.

How much exactly has she put in at that age? I am 29 and have working taxable jobs since I was 14, and I don't think my portion is all that large.

Sounds like somebody has been feeding her brain thoughts for the report.
 

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This will be an unpopular idea to tax cheats, but if we increase the number of IRS agents and increase the percent of audited tax returns, government revenue will skyrocket. This is no panacea, but it would be a start. If you ever have looked at the budget for the IRS and the amount of revenue they produce from audited tax returns you would see that they are by far the most fiscally efficient arm of the government.

As I said, this is a very unpopular idea because, like Daddy said, Americans don't want, "an IRS agent in every taxpayers kitchen."
 

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This will be a bit off topic so I apologize up front.

Here is an idea to raise taxes. Right now we tax alcohol and cigs heavily and justifiably so in my opinion. Now I'm not a big fan of censorship but I'm all for taxing things that we as a society find distasteful. Let's say we add to the price of every movie ticket a tax that is proportional to the amount of gratuitous violence in the movie. I'll bet we'll see attendance falling at the many unhealthy and "sick" movies Hollywood churns out and THEN we'll see Hollywood actually trying to produce something other than snuff films. Tax the video rentals as well.

The ONLY thing that works in a capitalist free society is MONEY. Money is the only thing people really respond to. Politicians can preach to media execs all day long and it won't do a thing but hit them in the wallet and they'll suddenly act like "responsible" citizens.

That's the end of my rant on THAT subject.
 
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There was an 18 year old on the news tonight that said she didn't think it was fair that all of the hard work that she has put in is not going to be there when she retires.

How much exactly has she put in at that age? I am 29 and have working taxable jobs since I was 14, and I don't think my portion is all that large.


All I know is if I do not see a piece of the 10s of 1000s I will have "given" to the Gov't there will be one cranky Old Man greeting all you shoppers at Wal-Mart:mad:

Oh, forgot, I married rich:tongue:D
 

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Pro--lol, but you better practice your gratuitous wave and smile!
 

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Well maybe they wouldn't be so poor if they weren't throwing their $$ down the crapper paying to go see Hollywood's latest drivel, smoking cigs and drinking a 6-pack a day. Maybe they could pick up a book and actually improve their mind.
 

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Yeah, I guess we should save our extra $20 a week up for 30 years and take a vacation to Europe and get educated.
I bet my gambling, cig smoking, beer guzzling drunken ass can kick your smart ass. If not I'll call my old buddy BEANTOWNJIM
up and we will have JOHNNY KNOCKOUT come pay you a visit.
 
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If only they had use S S for only what it start out for. Or had made everyone get on board. Railroad workers were not force to use it in the beginning. Our government had holes in it for congress. Those who own farms were left out because they had a business and land to sell. Then they allowed farmers and ranchers in the system. But they had to pay in for 3 years to become eligible. So at age 62 pay in 3 years and retire with full amount at 65. Then they started makeing them pay in from the get go. I mean all kinds of grazy things were done. Then they added if dad dies. Leaves any kids under 18 they get some money till they are 18. When it started it was just for those who made it to 65 and were under it from the begining. Nothing more. It's hard to believe that before the start of the Korean War. There was a surplus of more then 3 trillion dollars in the fund. A fund that was good for 100 years in 1950.
 
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