medical problems cause half of personal bankruptcies...

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haha... Its raining and dreary in georgia today.

Tommorrow is a big day for me so I am taking today off reflecting on things.

I always call my clients back immediately and I am always 15 minutes early for appointments.

Here comes March. I am booked for March.
 

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Emergency room in USA for less then 100 bucks I don't think so.
It cost that to walk in the door.
Heres a nice insurance program.
Etna.
Family plan $628 a month with $3000 deductible. After deductible is met copay per office call 15 bucks additional.
Same plan three years ago was $283 with 500 deductible.
Please again tell me this is just because of law suites. We have had law suites for ever. Looks like the insurance companies are having it both ways. Up the Doc's premium's and the patients to.
 

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lol- I could see that. (ring) (ring)- Scott to self: 'where is that picture of a waving piece of toast that I found last week?'
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you guys are funny.
 

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"Emergency room in USA for less then 100 bucks I don't think so.
It cost that to walk in the door.
Heres a nice insurance program.
Etna.
Family plan $628 a month with $3000 deductible. After deductible is met copay per office call 15 bucks additional.
Same plan three years ago was $283 with 500 deductible.
Please again tell me this is just because of law suites. We have had law suites for ever. Looks like the insurance companies are having it both ways. Up the Doc's premium's and the patients to."

I have caught you in a misrepresentation of facts almost weekly--
with change of deductible and premium your stating a 300% increase in 3 years.

There are only 2 ways I know for your representation to be true.
A. you have very small group who has very serious ongoing health claim.
B You move from red state area to Blue state area where aids is prevelant--you are automatically subjected to a liberal logic dunce surcharge because of aids exposure--and you deserve it.


Why DJV do you liberals feel you have to make up stories and opinions to "TRY" and make a point.
here is report from your slanted CBS bible
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/14/health/main577993.shtml

Now if you want to know some MAJOR contributors to cost look at litigation and Aids--Remember your the same people that think if gays should be able to marry and cover their spouse under group plan--and then whine about premiums escalating--liberal logic at its finest.

My method of reducing healthcare cost--
Since doctors have to work longer to pay malpratice premiums because of litigation we can kill 2 birds with one stone.
Doctors that are overloaded simply request all current and future patients must sign waiver never to sue him.
Those that don't trust his judgement can find another doctor.
A. He can pass on savings to patients at a reduced cost of OV--cut his work load--pay no malpractice premiums--and increase his bottom line with less hours worked.
Win/Win for all with exception of one--the attorneys
Hmmm Could it be possible then that the litigation is the culprit????

In recent years, many health care professionals have attributed the high cost of medical care to the equally high cost of medical malpractice insurance. Is the cost of medical liability insurance a factor? If so, to what degree?

Proponents of the argument that high insurance rates contribute to the high cost of medical care would say that the numbers are on their side. For example, total malpractice premiums paid by doctors and hospitals rose 235% from 1980 to 1987 (Holthaus, 9-20-88, p. 49). In the period 1983 to 1985 alone, the U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) reports that the premiums doctors paid jumped from $1.7 billion per year to $3.5 billion (Economist, 1-10-87, p. 51). The average medical malpracticejury award rosefrom $166,165 in 1974to $1,294,000 in 1987 (Jury Verdict Research). Thetotal number of malpractice claims has increased morethan fourfold in the 1980s.
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"Litigation accounts for only 1% of premiums"

Edward Haskell
Author "Lemming, Minions and Liberals, lend me your ears--and pocketbooks"
 

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Lets all give a great big Madjacks cheer to Wayne for resolving the alleged malpractice crisis in a few short paragraphs in the post above. He has singlehandedly resolved the nationwide problem of the high cost of health care, high cost of insurance premiums and the elimination of all those nasty, irritating frivolous lawsuits that have plundered the fabric of our society to the glee of the purely evil lawyers.

I should be used to it by now, but alas, I continue to beat my head against the same wall by responding to Waynes completly false posts about the malpractice insurance crisis invented by the insurance industry in conjunction with the medical association and sanctioned by the republican party. You know, ya post a government study that assess blame to all parties yet Wayne and Freeze continue to single out the trial lawyers and ignore their respective industries. Amazing.

The reality is that malpractice caps are in place in most states and have been for some time. The further reality is that in those states where malpractice caps have been in effect for some time, the real savings hasn't shown up in the reduction of insurance premiums. Wow. I'm shocked.

Just another way average Joes rights are being taken away by corporate america and its strongest ally, George Bush. It's scary to watch the destruction of this country happening before our very eyes. Its real scary that 60 million people are blind to it.

Eddie
 

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I guess you missed this in another thread Edward.

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Texas tort reform:
One year later, some physicians say they're reaping big benefits
From the January-February ACP Observer, copyright ? 2005 by the American College of Physicians.

By Bonnie Darves

Sixteen months after Texans approved a constitutional amendment to cap noneconomic damages in medical liability suits, the health care community has little doubt that the measure?Proposition 12?is making a difference where it counts: in lowering malpractice premium rates and reducing the number of lawsuits being filed.

In response to the ballot's passage, for instance, the state's largest professional liability carrier, Texas Medical Liability Trust, reduced its rates by 12%, then dropped them another 5%. A member survey by the Texas Hospital Association (THA) found that members' malpractice liability premiums dropped 8% in 2004 and could fall another 17% this year.

And last August, the Texas Hospital Association reported a 70% reduction in the number of lawsuits being filed against the state's hospitals. Analysts also point to the reform's more subtle effects, saying that the exodus of both physicians and insurance carriers from the state has stopped and may even be reversing.

However, not all liability carriers in Texas have dropped premium rates and some physicians here still report having problems finding coverage. And it remains to be seen how soon the passage of Proposition 12?which capped noneconomic damages in liability awards and settlements at $250,000 per physician, with a total noneconomic cap for all parties of $750,000?will affect how doctors here practice medicine.

'A great sigh of relief'

Texas is among 21 states that have instituted caps on noneconomic damages or passed related medical tort reforms. (Last November, tort reform ballot initiatives passed in Nevada and Florida, but failed to move forward in Oregon and Wyoming.) While physicians are still eyeing federal-level reform to address liability-system ills in a wholesale fashion, many analysts say passing states' measures is still physicians' best bet for meaningful reforms. (See "Internists' liability premiums: 2004 highs and lows.")

In the wake of Proposition 12, which ensured the constitutionality of caps approved earlier by the Texas legislature, some Texas physicians already report real premium savings. Neal Sklaver, FACP, a general internist with Medical Specialists Associated in Dallas, for instance, is very pleased that his premiums have dropped roughly $5,000 since the measure passed in September 2003. Even though he has had no judgments against him, his premiums had skyrocketed in 2003 to nearly $18,000 a year.

A former College Regent, Isabel V. Hoverman, FACP, a general internist in Austin, likewise said she and her partners were able to reverse the trend toward double-digit yearly rate hikes. Dr. Hoverman said her malpractice premiums climbed at a rate of between 40% and 45% every year between 2000 and 2003, even though she'd had no malpractice claims filed against her.

Now, however, "We've seen a 48% drop in our rates since the passage of Proposition 12," she said, adding that she and her three partners reduced their policy liability limits since the measure passed?another source of savings.

"Physicians in Texas are breathing a great sigh of relief," said F. David Winter Jr., FACP, the College's Governor for the Northern Texas Chapter. His group, HealthTexas Provider Network, has dropped premiums for its affiliated physicians by 14%. Dr. Winter is vice chair of this 380-physician system, which is affiliated with Dallas' Baylor Health Care System.
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Now if you want to get into class actions I can post volumns--why do you think we can not be competative in pricing compared to other countries--our tech is better--prouctivety thebest in the world--its because no other country has the immense cost of litigation and anticipated litigation built in.
Example 1/3 of cost of step ladder is for anticipates litigation.

Isn't it ironic that class action attorneys try to get there venue in one of about 4 courts in U.S. ---- additional reading
http://www.triallawyersinc.com/html/part04.html
 

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Wayne:

I guess you missed this too. Authored by the former insurance director for the state of Texas. Hmmmm.

http://www.centerjd.org/PremiumDeceit .pdf

Could it be Wayne, that you and your fellow conmen blame trial lawyers when premiums increase after your insurance companies invest in Enron, Tyco et. seq. (a la the 1990's) but then take credit when the same premium investments create additional revenues for insurance companies which translate to some, emphasize some, reduction in premiums. I mean by your own admission, under the wonderful George W. Bush the economy is heading in the right direction. Right?

You blame the lawyers when it is convenient and credit tort reform when its convenient. You don't acknowledge the FACT that premiums increased throughtout the 90's based upon failed and/or failing investments by your employers.

Tort crisis has been blown way, way, way out of proportion by the insurance industry, ama, and the republicans. All at the expense of Average Joe.

Eddie
 

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Quite an organization your linking to :) as matter of fact it is so blantantly biased they have this disclaimer on their site---

The Center for Justice & Democracy is a tax-exempt non-profit, non-partisan public interest organization that works to educate the public about the importance of the civil justice system and the dangers of so-called "tort reforms."

CJ&D fights to protect the right to trial by jury and an independent judiciary for all Americans.

CJ&D, which is funded by subscriptions, memberships, donations and foundation grants, is not connected to any business or trial lawyer organization
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but you will notice unlike link from American College of Physicians.
it is void of #'s or factual data and based on opinions--which is to be expected.

proof positive that this was written BY liberals FOR liberals can be seen in just a short scroll down to--
"additional copies of this report may be obtained by sending check or money order for $100 payable to CJ&D"
---Most are smart enough to hit print key and print as many as wanted for nothing :)

A little on the "unbiased authors>
Joan Mulhern head of ultra liberal outfit Earth Justice
AND Joanne Doroshow

To: Assignment Desk, Daybook Editor

Contact: Laurie Beachum, 917-847-6000

News Advisory:

Victims of medical malpractice will be joined by Joanne Doroshow, executive director of the Center for Justice and Democracy to speak against President Bush's plan to impose caps on medical malpractice suits. The event is part of a broad lobbying effort to derail the legislation.

WHEN: Wednesday, Feb. 9, 2005 at 10 a.m.

WHERE: National Press Club, National Press Building (13th Floor), 14th & F Streets NW, Washington, DC

Get a life Edward and hoodwink your minions--it won't here ;)
 

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Wayne:

Your the one doing all the hoodwinking. No, thats too soft. You are out and out lying. All you do is post links to right wing websites and claim them as neutral.

Once again you conveniently fail to point out that the other author of this article was the former Commisioner of Insurance for the very state that you are trying to suggest to the readers of this forum that is an example of successful tort reform.

Furthermore, you attack the messenger and not the content. You also out and out lie about the article as being one of opinion as opposed to facts. A quick read of the article proves the opposite to be true.

Wayne, you are the master of republican philosophy on this board. Create a problem (tort crisis/terrorists in Iraq), scare the public (doctors moving/wmd & Sadaam), have a hidden agenda (end tort law/obtain oil), and benefit the rich (corporate america/oil industry).

Scary isn't it. I guess only to those that are paying attention. You are the master of posting biased and slanted links. However, like Fox, you claim to be fair and balanced. You are a joke.

Eddie
 

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Wayne is a out to lunch.
Can you believe he attacks an organization because they state they are:

"...tax-exempt non-profit, non-partisan public interest organization that works to educate the public about the importance of the civil justice system and the dangers of so-called "tort reforms."

CJ&D fights to protect the right to trial by jury and an independent judiciary for all Americans."

CJ&D, which is funded by subscriptions, memberships, donations and foundation grants, is not connected to any business or trial lawyer organization"

Is it just me or is Wayne attacking this group because they are non-partisan, unaffiliated with trial lawyer organizations, and is in fact a pubic service organization that has through OBJECTIVE INDEPENDENT analysis come to a conclusion that he just doesn't happen to like?

Wayne, I think perhaps your reading comprehension is a bit lacking to say the least. If you had any clue what the hell is going on you would realize that what you posted only weakened your entire crappy argument. Did you actually graduate from high school?
 

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By the way,

Wayne, Doc Freeze and cohorts LOVE to throw around the word liberal as if it equates to pedophile. They actually view Clinton as some way-out liberal when in fact he was very centrist.

These clowns continue to live in the 70's acting like every Democrat is a 70s style "liberal". Stuck in the past.
 

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My mouth never fails to drop open in disbelief at the musings of these guys and I see how hopeless the future is for this nation with people like this actually allowed to vote.
 

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O:

Yes, he is out to lunch. Nice pick up on Wayne making fun of this group because, God help us, they support the right to a jury trial and other rights guaranteed by the Constitution. You see, republicans like Wayne do not support individual freedoms unless they comport with his racist philosophy.

Wayne wants everybody to be like his neighbors in Bowling Green. That is, white, baptist, married, conservative, military and above all else, stupid. Thats Waynes World. And like the movie, just as nuts.

Wayne, conveniently ignores facts that do not favor his conservative, right wing philosophy and puts forth right wing spin as gospel. Been doing that ever since I came on board here.

You get used to it. But every once in awhile he goes too far overboard and we need to respond to his nonsensical ramblings and slap him upside the head with some logic. Problem is, it doesn't take.

Eddie
 

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ocelot said:
Wayne, I think perhaps your reading comprehension is a bit lacking to say the least. If you had any clue what the hell is going on you would realize that what you posted only weakened your entire crappy argument. Did you actually graduate from high school?

lol- tough crowd!
 

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That insurance info I placed above is dead on correct. Why do you think i said we might as well just drop the insurance and pay the hospital direct 200 a month. Were headed there anyway. I tell you what. The first insurance company that catches on like McDonald's was first with the 15 cent burger. Is going to make a killing with new customers.
Heres more ASD insurance three years ago. Has more then doubled. Was $88 to over $184 co pays were $10 now $20. Deducts $3000 must be met first. Copays continue after it's met.
 

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lmao this "objective" group is educating us on the "danger of tort reform"

you people are too much

how can you be so blind?

ocelot again chiming in on who i determine to be a liberal and who i determine to be a conservative

once again the poor ignorant fellow cannot recognize the difference between ideology and party
 

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dr. freeze said:
cannot recognize the difference between ideology and party
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Ideology =
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party = :mj14: :mj14: :mj14:


seems simple enough
 

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"My mouth never fails to drop open in disbelief at the musings of these guys and I see how hopeless the future is for this nation with people like this actually allowed to vote."

interesting "opinion" Ocelot--now lets look at THE FACTS

Aproximately 90% of blacks and gays voted democratic
if those with no high school were the only votes counted you would have won--the highest % of those voting democratic by income was those earning less than $15,000--a whopping 63%

---and you accuse someone of not graduating from high school??
"Show me who you walk with and I'll tell you who you are"

Edward I have to laugh with you on your Department of Insurance issue as I know full well you know they are not pro-insurance but a state, insurance watchdog--the laugh comes knowing that your lemmings are probably not aware,which you know, and would climb on while being clueless on the matter.
The picture that comes to mind is the shark trolling the waters and those little sucker fish attached for the ride.You play em well Edward--but they really have no impact on the shape of things to come.
 

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What the hell who cares who voted for who. Insurance and health care for some reason have more then doubled in last three years. Look how our government when pushing there Medicare plan used low numbers. Now in just one year say it may be double that. Who the hells in charge. So much guess work. WMD now you see them now you don't. A budget without monies for war in it. So they can say deficit is not so bad. This bunch better start telling the truth soon. American people will believe the B S just so long. Republicans want to keep enjoying the majority they better start being up front.
 
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