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Clinton and her pimp husband are hated in Arkansas. She had to move to NYto get into he senate. She or Obama caused the deaths of 4 brave Americans. One of them is to blame. The MSM refuses to dig ino the facts. Even Bob Woodard thinks someone is lying.

sorry I have said this before .


To be clear - I cant stand Hillary . I mean really bad


But this Libya thing . We had the CIaa farting around there and who really knows what was going on. Yes they were killed and anyone in a embassy in Libya knows the danger there. Come on , it wasnt so long ago Khadafi was dragged thru the streets


To have sent troops in there, special ops, seal team 6 would have been another blackhawk down.

They could not do it . It happened and sorry to the familys. They died in a war zone.

no one can blame Hillary or Obama . Try sitting in the situation room every day and listen to all the shit that might go wrong and Americans might die.

Oh yeh you dont have any insight as to what really goes on. You just want to cry about Libya being another woodward watergate.

your boy lost. Get over it.
 

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Clinton and her pimp husband are hated in Arkansas. She had to move to NYto get into he senate. She or Obama caused the deaths of 4 brave Americans. One of them is to blame. The MSM refuses to dig ino the facts. Even Bob Woodard thinks someone is lying.

Still as dumb as shit. When I do my cross country trip, I can't wait to see the fucking shit kicker backwards ass hicks in West Virginia.
 

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Republicans outed the CIA base along with Libyans involved in helping the CIA. IMHO the blood of this man is on the hands of the GOP in the Congress and Fox News for continuing to tell their lies about what happened in Benghazi. Republians in the House also stalled the bill and denied the State Department increase for more funds for embassy security. Like the one member of Congress said to Roehbacher -- go look in the mirror -- your Party stopped the funders to increased security and in fact cut them.

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this person speaks the truth

not some watergate runner
 

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Hamas says 'Israel failed in its goals', thanks Iran

Hamas Leader Khaled Meshaal gives a press conference at the Journalist Syndicate building on November 19, in Cairo. Meshaal said on Wednesday that Israel had "failed in all its goals" after a Gaza truce deal came into effect, while thanking Egypt and Iran for their support during the conflict. AFP - Hamas chief Khaled Meshaal said on Wednesday that Israel had "failed in all its goals" after a Gaza truce deal came into effect, while thanking Egypt and Iran for their support during the conflict.

"After eight days, God stayed their hand from the people of Gaza, and they were compelled to submit to the conditions of the resistance," Meshaal said.

"Israel has failed in all its goals," he told reporters in a Cairo hotel.

Meshaal also thanked ceasefire mediator Egypt, as well as Iran, which he said "had a role in arming" his Islamist movement during the conflict.

"I would like to thank our dear Egypt, aided by the brave elected President Mohamed Morsi... Egypt acted responsibly and understood the demands of the resistance and the Palestinian people," he said.

Meshaal also praised Iran, despite "disagreements on the situation in Syria".

And the Hamas leader warned Israel against violating the agreement.

"If you commit, we will commit. If you do not commit, the rifles are in our hands," he said.

Earlier, Egypt announced the ceasefire agreement would come into effect at 1900 GMT on the eighth day of Gaza-linked violence that has killed at least 155 Palestinians and five Israelis.
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what I find really strange about these Hamas ppl is that it is all about saving face to them.

It dont really matter how many ppl or children are killed on both sides. It dont really matter about office building and tunneld being destroyed. Schools churchs being destroyed.

what matter to them is that they not look bad.

In this case they are giving the plaudos to Egypt Morsi to make him look good.


And look at how Iran is even held to a high standard of helpfullness.

Yeh Isreal , now is the time to go ahead and bomb Iran and the nuke sites. You have seen what is in store for you.

Maybe they can convince America to do it and maybe America can get Russia to help us out with it .

hmmmmmmmmmmm maybe not
 

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What Gaza fighting taught Israel about possible war with Iran


ASHKELON, Israel ? Israel's warplanes and Iron Dome anti-rocket missiles have been facing south for eight days, but their message was heard loud and clear to the north ? by leaders in Iran and Lebanon.

The fighting against Hamas in Gaza, carried out by mostly missiles and planes, can be seen as a war game for what could happen if Israel moved to take out Iran's nuclear program, a much larger action that could result in both Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran firing rockets toward Tel Aviv.:SIB

And violent as it has been, one Israeli general described Hamas, when comparing its might to Hezbollah and Iran, as a rain drop in a storm.

In other words, there's worse to come if Israel attacks Iran, much worse.

Homefront
The most obvious concerns the endurance of Israel's "homefront," which is simply a military, dehumanizing term for "the people." Verdict: good.

There were almost no complaints by the people that they had to spend so long in bomb shelters. Southern towns like Ofakim, Ashkelon, Beer Sheva and even Ashdod closer to the center were attacked about a 150 times each in seven days. That means the people rushed to their shelters as the sirens wailed on average 21 times a day.

Shops and stores are reopening and a semblance of normalcy is returning to Gaza's streets after a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas is put into effect. NBC's Ayman Mohyeldin reports from Gaza.

Yet despite the discomfort and fear, most people did not call for an end to Israel's assault on Gaza. They wanted it to last as long as necessary to stop all rockets from Gaza in the future.

Iron Dome
The Iron Dome, Israel's home-made anti-rocket missile system, Israel's key defense against rockets from Gaza prevented carnage. Verdict: Very good with an official hit rate of 84 percent.

According to Israeli army figures, Islamist militants in Gaza fired 1,506 rockets at Israel in eight days. Eight hundred and seventy-five fell harmlessly into open areas like fields and the sea. The Iron Dome is programmed to let those alone and to intercept only rockets that would hit urban areas.

Iron Dome intercepted 421 rockets and 58 rockets actually got through, killing three civilians and wounding about 100 more, mostly lightly.

Shelters
The small number of casualties was because a few people did not use Israel's second defense layer, the bomb shelters. Verdict: Very good.
Nobody in a shelter was hurt. The three killed did not do as they were advised and stood on their balcony watching the action. A rocket shot right through the window, splattering them against the walls.

But while the world has been watching the war in the south, the threat from the north is much bigger. Israeli intelligence sources say Hamas and partners in Gaza had 10,000 rockets. Hezbollah in South Lebanon has between 100,000 and 200,000, including longer range rockets that carry heavier explosive warheads, according to Israeli military analysts.

The Iron Dome could be effective against several fired at the same time and even a dozen or two, but if hundreds of long-range rockets are fired, for instance, at Israel's largest population center Tel Aviv, it is guaranteed that many would get through, causing havoc, heavy damage and possibly loss of life.

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How long could the homefront, or the people, withstand such an onslaught, especially if compounded by rockets from Iran?

The answer is not clear, but what is clear is that such an attack from Lebanon would provoke instant and massive Israeli retaliation.

That leads to another lesson, or rather byproduct, of the assault on Hamas ? Hamas may already be eliminated from the equation of a post-Iran strike. Would Hamas fight for Iran after the punishment it received in the past week and the depletion of its rocket supply and rocket-manufacturing ability? Nobody knows.

More likely is that Islamic Jihad, which is armed, trained and financed by Tehran, would fire its rockets at Israel, even if Hamas tried to stop them. So another lesson for Israel: Take out Islamic Jihad in Gaza ? and that could lead to conflict with Hamas anyway.

But as political and military leaders here analyze the results and lessons of the past week, the clearest lesson is probably this, and it is hardly new: Israel needs the United States.

It was President Barack Obama who insisted on a cease-fire, who called Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi three times in 24 hours, and who had several calls with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, shepherding both through the difficult process of reaching an agreement.

Israel could not have carried out an invasion of Gaza without Washington's support. And as Obama made clear in his talks with Netanyahu, the United States prefers no ground invasion. And Israel agreed.

So at the moment, Israel has Western support for latest action in Gaza. This support would evaporate if it decided unilaterally to invade Gaza.


If the cease-fire holds for 24 hours, Israel will start talking about lifting border control on Gaza. In the meantime, Israeli ground troops remain mobilized in case Hamas resumes rocket attacks from Gaza. NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports.

But if newly re-elected Obama says the same about an attack on Iran, only more forcibly, will Israel agree again?

That is a different issue. Israel's homefront and defensive shield give Israel's freedom to act, but the big questions are, for how long? And against what strength enemy?
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I must be forward thinking is all I can say.
 

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It there any kind of announcement telling people to stay indoors?

No.

They actually shot people?

They shot anyone walking around in the street. It always ended with, ?We killed six terrorists today.? Whoever you shot in the street is ?a terrorist.?

That?s what they say at the briefings?

The goal is to kill terrorists.

What are the rules of engagement?

Whoever?s walking around at night, shoot to kill.

During the day, too?

They talked about that in the briefings: whoever?s walking around during the day, look for something suspicious. But something suspicious could be a cane.
 

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At that time I had a friend training with the Shin Bet, he told me about the jokes going around that the terrorist was a nobody. He?d probably taken part in some shooting and the other two had nothing to do with anything. What shocked me was that the day after the operation, the newspapers said that ?a secret unit killed four terrorists,? and there was a whole story on each one, where he came from, who he?d been involved with, the operations he?d done. But I know that on the Shin Bet base they?re joking about how we killed a nobody and the other two weren?t even connected, and at the debriefing itself they didn?t even mention it.

Who did the debriefing?

The unit commander. The first thing I expected to hear was that something bad happened, that we did the operation to eliminate one person and ended up eliminating four. I expected that he?d say, ?I want to know who shot at the first car. I want to know why A-B-C ran to join in the big bullet-fest.? But that didn?t happen, and I understood that they just didn?t care. These people do what they do. They don?t care.
 

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Who were they, in fact?

At that time I had a friend training with the Shin Bet, he told me about the jokes going around that the terrorist was a nobody. He?d probably taken part in some shooting and the other two had nothing to do with anything. What shocked me was that the day after the operation, the newspapers said that ?a secret unit killed four terrorists,? and there was a whole story on each one, where he came from, who he?d been involved with, the operations he?d done. But I know that on the Shin Bet base they?re joking about how we killed a nobody and the other two weren?t even connected, and at the debriefing itself they didn?t even mention it.
 

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Location: Gaza Strip

Year: 2008

One company told me they did an operation where a woman was blown up and smeared all over the wall. They kept knocking on her door and there was no answer, so they decided to open it with explosives. They placed them at the door and right at that moment the woman came to open it. Then her kids came down and saw her. I heard about it after the operation at dinner. Someone said it was funny that the kids saw their mother smeared on the wall and everyone cracked up. Another time I got screamed at by my platoon when I went to give the detainees some water from our field kit canteen. They said, ?What, are you crazy?? I couldn?t see what their problem was, so they said, ?Come on, germs.? In Nahal Oz, there was an incident with kids who?d been sent by their parents to try to get into Israel to find food, because their families were hungry. They were fourteen- or fifteen-year-old boys, I think. I remember one of them sitting blindfolded and then someone came and hit him, here
 

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Is the off-limits area close to Israel?

There?s one area close to Israel and another along the Israeli-Egyptian border ? Israel?s sea border is twelve miles out, and Gaza?s is only three. They?ve only got those three miles, and that?s because of one reason, which is that Israel wants its gas, and there?s an offshore drilling rig something like three and a half miles out facing the Gaza Strip, which should be Palestinian, except that it?s ours ? the Navy Special Forces unit provides security for the rig. A bird comes near the area, they shoot it. There?s an insane amount of security for that thing. One time there were Egyptian fishing nets over the three-mile limit, and we dealt with them. A total disaster.
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In reading these articles I am wondering why Gaza and its people hate Israel so much and would lob rockets into Israel over and over to try to kill their citizens.

I do not understand how Israel can occupy Gaza and create all this terror over extended periods. ?


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Israel has successfully test-fired Magic Wand, the successor to the Iron Dome interceptor that featured prominently in the recent Gaza conflict. And now, even before the aftershocks of the Israel-Gaza conflict dissipate, the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) have tested the next generation of anti-missile systems.


The interceptor, also known as David's Sling, was jointly developed by Israel's Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and the United States' Raytheon.

Magic Wand, it is understood, was developed against the Hezbollah missiles from Lebanon. The country is subject to threats from the Islamic militant group, perceived as the long arm of Iran.

Israel is hoping the latest system in its arsenal will be useful in intercepting a variety of short-range ballistic and cruise missiles. The interception range for Magic Wand is between 70km and 75km. Each interceptor has been estimated to have cost around $1mn (?624,000) and expected to be fully operational in 2014.

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Testing was originally scheduled for 2013 but the critical situation of recent weeks has seen the schedule pulled forward. The Iron Dome interceptor successfully stopped over 400 missiles from the Gaza Strip. IDF statements indicate Iron Dome has a success rate of approximately 90 percent and the latest interceptor, it is hoped, will extend the same run.

"The great success of the Iron Dome batteries during Operation Pillar of Defense proves beyond a shadow of a doubt the tremendous importance of anti-missile systems. Israel is a world leader in this department thanks to the Israeli defence industries and its developers," said Defence Minister Ehud Barak in a statement, adding, "The completion of the programme will be a significant layer for Israel's multi-tiered anti-missile defence system."

Officials in the Jewish state are reportedly pleased with the success of the latest interceptor, as its system is much more complex.

"The current test simulated the relevant threats the system will be called to deal with. This is a landmark in Israel's operational capability in the multi-layered defence layout. There will be other experiments. The Magic Wand's radar tracked the target from the beginning until interception. Unlike the Iron Dome, it's a system without batteries that operates as a national unit," a senior official at the Defence Ministry (who did not want to be indentified) told Ynet News.
 

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Israel backs off war with Iran over nukes.

JERUSALEM ? Israel?s departing defense minister, Ehud Barak, said that the Pentagon had prepared sophisticated blueprints for a surgical operation to set back Iran?s nuclear program should the United States decide to attack ? a statement that was a possible indication that Israel might have shelved any plans for a unilateral strike, at least for now.

In an interview conducted at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, and published by The Daily Beast on Friday, Mr. Barak was asked if there was any way Israel could go to war with Iran over what many in the West believe is a nuclear weapons program without dragging in the United States.

Mr. Barak replied that there were more than just the two options ? of full-scale war or allowing Iran to obtain nuclear weapons capability ? in the event that sanctions and diplomacy failed.

?What we basically say is that if worse comes to worst, there should be a readiness and an ability to launch a surgical operation that will delay them by a significant time frame and probably convince them that it won?t work because the world is determined to block them,? he said.

Under orders from the White House, ?the Pentagon prepared quite sophisticated, fine, extremely fine, scalpels,? Mr. Barak added, referring to the ability to carry out pinpoint strikes.

Herbert Krosney, an American-Israeli analyst and the author of a book about the arming of Iran and Iraq, said Mr. Barak?s statement now ?indicates that there is close cooperation? between Israel and the United States following months of tension between the country?s leaders (though military and intelligence services continued to work together closely).

?I think there is a realization in Israel that it would be extremely difficult for Israel to operate alone,? he said.

Last year, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel was pushing hard for the Obama administration to set clear ?red lines? on Iran?s nuclear progress that would prompt the United States to undertake a military strike, infuriating the administration. And Mr. Barak repeatedly warned that because of Israel?s more limited military capabilities, its own window of opportunity to carry out an effective strike was closing.

It has appeared that Mr. Barak has drifted away from Mr. Netanyahu in recent months, sounding more conciliatory toward the Obama administration, but even the prime minister has become less antagonistic.

The Pentagon declined to comment on The Daily Beast report, but a senior defense official said, ?The U.S. military constantly plans for a range of contingencies we might face around the world, and our planning is often quite detailed.? The official added, ?That shouldn?t come as a surprise to anyone.?

In recent years, Mr. Barak and Mr. Netanyahu had become increasingly alarmed as Iran moved forward with a nuclear program that it says is solely for peaceful purposes, but that Israel, the United States and others believe is geared toward producing a bomb. The two men consistently emphasized Israel?s doctrine of self-reliance for such existential issues.

But faced with tough opposition from Washington and public criticism from a string of former Israeli security chiefs, the prospect of an imminent unilateral Israeli strike receded in recent months.

In the past few weeks Mr. Netanyahu campaigned for re-election in Israel as a strong leader who, among other things, had managed to persuade the world to deal with the Iranian threat.

Mr. Netanyahu and his conservative Likud Party emerged weakened from the elections, with much of the Israeli electorate more focused on domestic issues. In a speech after the voting, he said, ?The first challenge was and still is to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.? But he did not again threaten to go it alone.

In the interview last week, Mr. Barak did not specify what the Pentagon?s ?scalpels? were. But there has been a broad effort at the White House, the Pentagon and the intelligence agencies to develop a series of options that could set back, though probably not halt, Iran?s nuclear progress.

The first was a covert plan called Olympic Games to undermine Iran?s nuclear enrichment plans with cyberattacks, according to participants in that program. The second layer of plans, American and other officials have said, involves covert means of interrupting the supply of uranium to Iran?s enrichment plants, or crippling the plants themselves. The biggest target is a deep underground plant called Fordo, near Qum. There, under a mountain, Iran is producing most of its medium-enriched uranium, which could be converted to bomb grade in a matter of months. The site is hardened, and probably beyond Israel?s ability to destroy from the air. The United States recently added one weapon to its arsenal that officials believe could do significant damage: the ?Massive Ordnance Penetrator,? a huge conventional bomb that is designed to attack deep, hardened sites.

But the existence of any plans, officials note, does not indicate an intent to them carry them out
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I hate to say I am some kind of Nostradomus but it looks like I called this one.

A little dose of how vulnerable Israel was in that little scuffle has made them rethink their ambitions against Iran.

Its all for the better.

If Iran nukes Israel , we just nuke Iran off the face of the earth right after. It seems simple enough.

US dont need no more wars .
 
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