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(AP) - Donovan McNabb says he has no problem with Michael Vick taking some of his snaps and warns opponents that the two quarterbacks could be on the field together at times.

Vick was signed by the Philadelphia Eagles last week to add a different dimension to the team's offense, not to push McNabb for a starting job. It's likely that Vick, a three-time Pro Bowl quarterback in six seasons with the Atlanta Falcons, will be used in a variation of the Wildcat formation.

But even in that scenario, McNabb won't necessarily be watching from the sideline.

"I'll be a receiver. I might be a tight end," he said with a smile Monday. "You never know where I'll be."

It's uncertain whether the Eagles would risk putting McNabb at an unfamiliar position and expose him to the defense. Coach Andy Reid isn't revealing any secrets.

McNabb said he first lobbied the Eagles to sign Vick a month ago. He said he approached Reid with the suggestion even before Vick was released from federal custody after serving 18 months of a 23-month sentence for his role in a dogfighting operation. The two have been friends since McNabb escorted Vick on a campus visit to Syracuse a decade ago ? Vick chose Virginia Tech.

"I believe in second chances and I have strong faith in God that he forgives our sins," said McNabb, a dog lover who owns two American bulldogs and a Belgian Malinois. "Yes, it was a bad thing and a malicious act, but somewhere in your heart, you have to have forgiveness."

So far, McNabb has been impressed with what he's seen from Vick on the practice field and in the film room.
"He's done a great job. You have to be excited about his work ethic and attitude," McNabb said. "I see a guy doing whatever it takes to turn his life around. He's going through the proper channels."

McNabb isn't concerned that Vick's presence ultimately will create a quarterback controversy. When McNabb went down with a season-ending knee injury in 2006, Jeff Garcia stepped in and led the Eagles to a division title and a playoff victory.

But the Eagles didn't re-sign Garcia after that season, and McNabb regained his starting spot once he was healthy.

"I've been through many situations here throughout my career when they've cheered for the backup," McNabb said. "It happened with Garcia. It happened with (Kevin) Kolb. It happened with A.J. (Feeley). I'm used to that."

McNabb, a five-time Pro Bowl pick, has led the Eagles to five NFC championship games and one Super Bowl appearance in 10 seasons in Philadelphia. He was rewarded with a $5.3 million raise in the offseason when the Eagles tore up his old contract with two years remaining, and gave him a new deal worth $24.5 million over the next two seasons.

McNabb doesn't consider Vick a threat to his job.

"I kind of can be a mentor to him, give him an opportunity to get his feet under him, get his life together," McNabb said.
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I will provide my ideas on how this will work out for the Eagles
 

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To start out with I am glad that Vick has been signed with the Eagles. The sports pages in Atlanta have been full of nothing but where Vick will go, how , what , who, on and on. It was a distraction from a Falcons team that went 11-5 last year.

I think he deserves another chance at life. He has a long way to go to clear his bankruptcy debts and be a productive member of society again.

Alot of people have compared him to Stallworth in punishment time, but you have to remember that Stallworth paid the family of the man he ran over and killed approx 1.8 million dollars not to prosecute him.
He lost his license for life. Home confinement for 2 years, and 8 years probation. Out of NFL for a year which will cost him more millions.

I am glad Vick is with the Eagles. I see some big problems for the Eagles team. I will outline them as I go along.
 

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Even though McNabb says he is ok and lobbied hard for Vick. I am not sure I beleive it.

McNabb has been a mentor for Vick over his years with the Falcons. When Vick got in trouble a few times, it was McNabb who called him and talked him down and tried to help him.

I can't help remember that McNabb has been benched in the past for poor play or to get him focused. This will be alot easier for the coachs to make a move with Vick sitting on the bench. I think McNabb will come to resent it, big contract extension or not.

McNabb says that they will play in the same backfield without egos or problems.

The Falcons tried this with two QBs one time and it failed miserably. I think it was Schaub and Vick.

If Vick starts to shine then McNabb may be eating them words. Especially if the Eagles fans start getting on McNabb for his sometime erratic play.

I really really doubt that McNabb will be used at receiver or any other positions on the field. It would be crazy to expose him to direct hits from defenders trying to knock him out of the game.
 
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Upsides of Mike Vick

Vick has probably maintained his athletic ability and I think his speed with be there.

Vick only QB to rush for over 1,000 yards in a season.

Vick should be focued and learned his lesson. He should come in early and stay late watching film and learning the fawking playbook.
 

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When Vick was with the Falcons he was not a focused player or a leader. He would not come in early to throw to his receivers, he would not learn the full playbook, he would not do alot of things.

Vick has a cannon for a arm, but he is so erratic its scary. On first down he will fire the ball in the right place for a large gain. On the next throwing play he will throw it into the upper deck, or it will slip and go straight up in the air.

Another big problem will be that the Eagles do not have above average wide receivers. Vick made Roddy White look like he was going to be knocked out of the league with so many fastball drops. Now White is a pro bowl player with Matt Ryan throwing the football. Vick is not capable to throw a football with touch. He only has one speed and that is as hard as he can. I think Vick thinks that is the only way to keep his interceptions down to 50%. Its also harder in my opinion for his wide receivers to catch his left handed hard balls.

Mental Game - This was the big thing about Vick that drove me up a wall. He would get in situations and feign injury during the friggin game. You could almost set your watch by it. Falcons would get in trouble or way behind. Vick would pull up holding his hamstring.( that was his favorite ) Also bruised ribs was a big one he used all the time. Injuries that required whirlpool was his favorites. It would get him out of practise for the week. This happened over and over as Vick was coddled by every coach and trainer that he ever had.

If McNabb goes down which I think is likely at some point in the season Vick is going to have a very very hard time with the Eagles fans. I can see Vick being booed unmercifully for poor play and Vicks many 3 and out series of games he tends to get in clusters.

I know Eagle fans booed Santa Claus but that Santa was drunk and staggering around the field if I remember correctly . They threw snowballs at Santa. Vick could be in for a rough rough ride if they start throwing dog biscuits.

Vick carrys the ball like a loaf of bread. No matter how much critisizing he took from fans and coachs he continued to do this every game. I dont know if he thinks it looks cool, or just a very bad habit. It got so bad that opposing players just waited for him to get to the corner and then ripped at the ball. Too many fumbles and turnovers from Vick.

Vick does not like taking direct hits or hard taclkles. He will not stick his head in for a extra yard , ever.
He will run out of bounds on almost every running play.

Vick is fragile. Later in his Falcons years players started tackling him at the legs.
They were tired of hearing about Vick showing them up and leaveing them in the dust.

Vicks weakness is his skinny legs. He broke his leg and was out of the season one year. Linebackers will be shooting for crazy legs trying to slow down the speed .

There were many times during Vicks time with the Falcons that I felt he was just playing well enough to get by. Granted he didn't have the people around him that he should have had, but he made so many leadership type mistakes. I dont think you learn that. That has to be instinctual.
Montana and Steve Young had it. Vick is a long long way from that type of leadership ability. He may never get it. It affects the entire team attitude.

Vick was way too quick to blame others for losses or mistakes in the game. He also got a few coachs fired. It was said Vick was a coach killer by Mora Sr I think it was.
 
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It's funny, because I got in a little heated discussion over some beers and the first Steeler preseason game Thursday night.

Almost everyone in the discussion dogged McNabb. I said look, he has made 5 NFC championship games and one SB with smoke and mirrors pretty much at WR. Name them? Last year Curtis, Brown, or Jackson.....are you kidding me? There are many QB's in the league that get much more credit with much less of a resume.

Give him TO/Williams/Witten or Fitzgerald/Boldin or Moss/Welker or Ochocinco/Whosyourmama or Jennings/Driver and so on. He makes plays, just not enough to get over the hump for a SB. It was the D last year that gave up a winning score ARI late to lose, and we all know what they did to Pittsburgh during the regular season...JJ blitzed the hell out of Roethlisberger and they might have just been able to win one last year should they made it to the SB.

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He makes plays, just not enough to get over the hump for a SB. It was the D last year that gave up a winning score ARI late to lose, and we all know what they did to Pittsburgh during the regular season...JJ blitzed the hell out of Roethlisberger and they might have just been able to win one last year should they made it to the SB.

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You have hit the nail on the head with what Vick will bring to the table. Enogh to get paid but not enough to take it deep into the playoffs.
 

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A few other items.

Vick is on probation for a year. Can he stay off the weed long enough ?

He has got to stay out of trouble and keep a low profile. No throwing middle fingers at the home crowd.

He also has to continue his commitment to the Humane Society and continue that work. If he doesnt , he is going to be a huge distraction at some stadiums around the country.
 

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yes, mcnabb helped eagles get to one superbowl appearance

but remember it was that green bay prevent defense too

4th and 24
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On the upside is if Vick gets to be the starting QB for the Eagles , I will be wagering on many of their games.

I won alot of money betting on and against Vick over the years.

Won a big playoff game with him at Green Bay in the snow at Lambeau .

Won many games going against him in differant situations. I can see where that would be a good wagering opportunity for me again.
 

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On the upside is if Vick gets to be the starting QB for the Eagles , I will be wagering on many of their games.

I won alot of money betting on and against Vick over the years.

Won a big playoff game with him at Green Bay in the snow at Lambeau .

Won many games going against him in differant situations. I can see where that would be a good wagering opportunity for me again.

Everything you are saying is wrong. At no point will Michael Vick be getting any substantial playing time as a Philadelphia Eagle. First off. Vick sucks as a QB and is a few yrs removed from the game. Secondly, Andy Reids offense is complicated and would take a long time before Vick (rocket scientist) could get a grasp on the many options and formations involved.

This whole debacle is one big publicity stunt by a football Org jealous of thier baseball teams recent rise in popularity.

I dont see how the addition of Vick really will make any difference football wise to the eagles.
 

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Everything you are saying is wrong. At no point will Michael Vick be getting any substantial playing time as a Philadelphia Eagle. First off. Vick sucks as a QB and is a few yrs removed from the game. Secondly, Andy Reids offense is complicated and would take a long time before Vick (rocket scientist) could get a grasp on the many options and formations involved.

This whole debacle is one big publicity stunt by a football Org jealous of thier baseball teams recent rise in popularity.

I dont see how the addition of Vick really will make any difference football wise to the eagles.
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If you do not think that Vick is going to have a impact in ways we dont even realize this year, then just sit back and watch.

Something will happen to thrust Vick into the games. Or there will be a big blowup between Vick and McNabb or there will ..........

just have to wait and see

I am truly thankful he is not with the Falcons :142smilie
 

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If you do not think that Vick is going to have a impact in ways we dont even realize this year, then just sit back and watch.

Something will happen to thrust Vick into the games. Or there will be a big blowup between Vick and McNabb or there will ..........

just have to wait and see

I am truly thankful he is not with the Falcons :142smilie

I just see the Vick signing as a total PR ploy. The Eagles have played against Vick on numerous occassions and they of all teams should know about Vicks short comings as a QB. Im an Eagles fan and I dont like it one bit. At some pt I agree itll become some sort of distraction. The risk seems much greater than the reward if u ask me.

Maybe a play against the Eagles season win totals is in order Scotty?
 

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IMaybe a play against the Eagles season win totals is in order Scotty?


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I do not wager totals for teams. Its too big of a crapshoot.

I know one thing , if the feudin is going on or the Eagles are being QB by Vick , and they come into a important away division game , I may bet the bank against them.
 

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The question that I would ask is how Vick can possibly help Philly against teams that they can't already beat? Against teams where Donovan isn't befuddled by the defensive schemes, they don't really need this type of help. Against teams that baffle McNabb with the coverages, who in the world thinks Vick will be able to help?

My opinion is that Philly will now beat the teams they would have won against anyway by an even larger margin, and that they will still lose to the teams they would have lost to before. In other words, I don't see Vick changing any losses into wins, and if he doesn't do that, what's the point?

I thought Vick was horribly punished by a hysterical overreaction led by overly sentimental soccer-moms, and therefore am glad he's getting to play again. That said, he was an AWFUL QB at Atlanta against good defenses. I doubt prison helped.
 

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Vick has not played since Dec. 31, 2006 against the Philadelphia Eagles, when he left the game with an ankle injury giving way to Matt Schaub.
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So the Falcons took that 5th pick and a package of other picks to move up to the 1st overall pick, which was held by the San Diego Chargers. The Falcons drafted Michael Vick, the quarterback wunderkind with running skills like no other quarterback before him. Vick also had a cannon for an arm, though there were concerns about the accuracy of this arm. :SIB

This was not to be. Michael Vick broke his leg in a preseason game and the Falcons struggled all season. Things got worse late in the year as Vick questioned Reeves' attempts to get him to return earlier than he wanted from the injury. :scared :scared

This dispute and a losing record was enough to cause the firing of Dan Reeves, despite his leading the Falcons to their two best seasons ever. The firing of Reeves was one of the first major decisions of the new controversial owner, Arthur Blank.:sadwave: :sadwave:

For the second time in three seasons, the Falcons would be knocked out of the playoffs by the Philadelphia Eagles.

Things went downhill from here for Mora and Vick and the Falcons. The Falcons finished 8-8 in 2005 and 7-9 in 2006. Many fans around the NFL complained that Michael Vick was not improving as a quarterback, but instead continued to make the same mistakes he had as a young quarterback. :SIB

Despite sometimes gaudy rushing totals, Vick was becoming pegged as a one-dimensional player.

The Falcons under Mora attempted to help Vick by spending high draft picks on receivers like Roddy White and Michael Jenkins, and the team installed a West Coast Offense to take advantage of Vick's quick decision making and scrambling skills.

Unfortunately, the key skill a west coast quarterback needs is accuracy, to make the many short throws required in the offense. Therefore, Vick's deficiencies were exposed in the new offense. Running back Warrick Dunn and tight end Alge Crumpler were Vick's only reliable weapons, and these two players had injury issues of their own.:scared

Vick's lack of progress led some fans to call for promising backup passer, Matt Schaub, to be installed as the starting quarterback. This was never a serious option, given that Michael Vick was the franchise quarterback. After the 2006 season, Schaub would be traded to the Houston Texans for a 2nd round draft pick.

Just months after Michael Vick's replacement was traded away, Vick was implicated in a Virginia dog fighting ring.

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I really do hope tha that Vick can emerge from this and be a better person.

Maybe he has learned his lessons. Maybe Vick will end up taking the Eagles to the Superbowl game in a few years, maybe he will again be voted to the Pro Bowl, maybe he will .........
 
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