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Gary Where did you ever get idea I think our military should pay more taxes. I made same note Marine made long ago about troops not paying taxes in war zones.

However if stateside I don't object to them paying same as anyone else.

Maybe you or someone could hunt up post that appeared I gave any indication that our troops should be taxed more :shrug:
 

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Gary Where did you ever get idea I think our military should pay more taxes.

Which class fights our wars for us?

I was hoping you'd read this because you have always complained about the poor not paying their share of the taxes and you are also a supporter of the Bush Administration. To be fair on the tax issue, your direct complaint is with the amount the rich pay....but you always have statistics to prove how little the lower classes pay, so it's not much of a leap. I think there is some contradiction in your ideals.
 

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Which class fights our wars for us?

I was hoping you'd read this because you have always complained about the poor not paying their share of the taxes and you are also a supporter of the Bush Administration. To be fair on the tax issue, your direct complaint is with the amount the rich pay....but you always have statistics to prove how little the lower classes pay, so it's not much of a leap. I think there is some contradiction in your ideals.

Im surprised that he would even ask you that question since he has stated what you said a zillion times. I bet if you were not around Smurph would have answered it for you:mj07:
 

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I have to disagree here. And I apologize if I offend anyone. But the reason our education system is losing ground is because the teachers/administrators SUCK. Overpaid worthless individuals that generally have no real life experience. Generally I'd say they have no real life experience because they couldn't make it in the real world. I grew up with a friend that is now a teacher. A college teacher once worked for me till I canned his worthless ass because he couldn't do simple tasks even foreign born teenagers I've had work for me could easily complete. I also have been exposed more recently to the dis-functional idiots that teach our kids because I've been around one for 4 years now. This has nothing to do with the complete morons I came across as I went through my fine Catholic education and couple seconds of college. The teachers in these parts are constantly beefing for more money ect ect for their lame 9 months of effort. The system here gets as much money if not more than any other and they never want to be held accountable for the results or lack there of.

Our educational system sucks because of the people running it. All the government attention and money won't clear that up.

I/O: Our educational system is broken. One BIG reason is the lack of funding. Who do you expect to recruit as teachers when the pay starts in the mid 30's? Come on. Do you know what kind of talent you get in the corporate world for 35k? I won't go into details, but it's not people in demand.

So, you start breaking the system by not encouraging talented people to become educators. Next, you cut funding to individual institutions. The funding cuts lead to cuts in extra-curricular (sp?) activities (music, art) and that inhibits creative growth. The funding cuts also lead to job cuts and then classroom overcrowding. Overcrowding means less individual attention. It just spirals from there.

While our educational system is broken, so is our means to pay for higher education. The fact that you have to pay over six figures for a college education is a travesty. That fact alone eliminates a lot of opportunity for truly "higher education" (sorry Walsh College, University of Phoenix, and ITT Tech grads, but that isn't higher ed.).

On a personal level, I can tell you that I wasn't exposed to the concept of compound interest until I was in my second year of grad school. That's ridiculous. I didn't learn about basic financial concepts until I was 20 years into my educational career. There's something really wrong with that.

I guess the summation of the above is that you get what you pay for when it comes to who's running the system.

-Gary
 

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The government isn't a business, it's a caretaker. Hard decisions need to be made, like taxing the prosperous (heavily) to subsidize the needs of the nation. We have lost a ton of ground in the education race because we don't value it the way others do. The government's lack of support for education is disgusting....that's not just a Republican issue either.


What do businesses do with the inefficient workers? They eliminate them. As I mentioned before, we don't need our government run like a business. It should play a support role, that's it.


That's where you and I differ then... I completely disagree that our government should play the role of a caretaker.
It disappoints me to no end to see all the problems blamed directly to the government (re: your education comment). It is our federal governments fault that kids need to walk through metal detectors to go into the school building?
you want heavy tax on the prosperous to support the poor.... why dont we just all take our paychecks each week and sign them over to the government and then just let them hand out the same amount to every person in the country each week?
we could all stop having to buy clothes and have the government issue us all the same uniforms to wear as well. that way there is equality. we could raze down all the houses in the country and just have everyone issued a standard 1200 sq ft house as well. that way everyone is equal there too.


Hard decisions need to be made like stopping welfare abuse, stopping food stamp abuse, stopping people from freeloading off government subsidies.
 

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Believe we been here before on who serves now that draft is gone. And Reb's are not in lead.
Interesting thought above. Have Government take care all your needs. I guess the way that would work is just turn over your check each payday. Then everything you want you get??? Sad for some this would be better then how it works now. Better way is. Just get the fair tax in to law.
 

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That's where you and I differ then... I completely disagree that our government should play the role of a caretaker.
It disappoints me to no end to see all the problems blamed directly to the government (re: your education comment). It is our federal governments fault that kids need to walk through metal detectors to go into the school building?
you want heavy tax on the prosperous to support the poor.... why dont we just all take our paychecks each week and sign them over to the government and then just let them hand out the same amount to every person in the country each week?
we could all stop having to buy clothes and have the government issue us all the same uniforms to wear as well. that way there is equality. we could raze down all the houses in the country and just have everyone issued a standard 1200 sq ft house as well. that way everyone is equal there too.


Hard decisions need to be made like stopping welfare abuse, stopping food stamp abuse, stopping people from freeloading off government subsidies.

One thing that always blows my mind is that the resident atheist (me) seems more interested in helping the poor than anyone else. I start talking about the government as a caretaker and I get criticized for promoting Socialism and/or Communism. Food for thought for all the so-called "good Christians" that like to rag on my godless ass.
 

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I have to disagree here. And I apologize if I offend anyone. But the reason our education system is losing ground is because the teachers/administrators SUCK. Overpaid worthless individuals that generally have no real life experience. Generally I'd say they have no real life experience because they couldn't make it in the real world. I grew up with a friend that is now a teacher. A college teacher once worked for me till I canned his worthless ass because he couldn't do simple tasks even foreign born teenagers I've had work for me could easily complete. I also have been exposed more recently to the dis-functional idiots that teach our kids because I've been around one for 4 years now. This has nothing to do with the complete morons I came across as I went through my fine Catholic education and couple seconds of college. The teachers in these parts are constantly beefing for more money ect ect for their lame 9 months of effort. The system here gets as much money if not more than any other and they never want to be held accountable for the results or lack there of.

Our educational system sucks because of the people running it. All the government attention and money won't clear that up.

A couple of observations...

First, I/O theorizes that educators and administrators suck, they are overpaid, and are worthless. They have no real life experience and are dis-functional idiots. These comments obviously being offered up by quite the brain wizard - and one who red flagged me as being "dense."

Admittedly, many educators and others in the real world did not benefit from a catholic education (I assume the pecker grabs from the priests gave some a better understanding of life in the real world, eh - speaking of offending some, sorry) as did you, and your short time in college I guess made you realize the only value in life was to be had outside the world of higher education. My guess might be another reason for leaving college in your case, but that would be a really negative assessment that I don't know for sure.

Since when is teaching school and dealing with students on a daily basis not a part of the real world? Since when is it an idiotic pursuit to decide to teach others and share what you've learned partially to make future generations better? That maybe everything in life doesn't have to be about money and stepping on people on your way to the gated community and what new stock you can buy? To paint all members of any career path as any one thing is just plain STUPID to start with, but you have to take it to another level. Granted, not all teachers are great at what they do, some don't care enough, some probably aren't even overly smart. But you could say that about virtually any vocation, and many who make a lot of really big decisions in our lives (like the current President of the United States, perhaps?). I'm not a teacher, but know a lot of them. Most of them are great people, and I admire them for the choice they made. I honestly wish I would have chosen that career path in retrospect. I can't imagine how personally rewarding it could have been, on a daily basis. I think your comments in this post really sucked. And sucked badly.

Secondly, I don't really agree that republicans on the whole "abuse the poor for their own personal benefit." I think it more fair to say they think it's appropriate to ignore the poor, and hope that they stay away from their world. Ignorance is bliss...and don't they usually look pretty happy?
 

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Which class fights our wars for us?

I was hoping you'd read this because you have always complained about the poor not paying their share of the taxes and you are also a supporter of the Bush Administration. To be fair on the tax issue, your direct complaint is with the amount the rich pay....but you always have statistics to prove how little the lower classes pay, so it's not much of a leap. I think there is some contradiction in your ideals.

Can't say which class is fighting this war but heard the same in Viet Nam which was erroneous--


Myth: The war was fought largely by the poor and uneducated.
Servicemen who went to Vietnam from well-to-do areas had a slightly elevated risk of dying because they were more likely to be pilots or infantry officers.

Vietnam Veterans were the best educated forces our nation had ever sent into combat. 79% had a high school education or better. (McCaffrey Papers)

Here are statistics from the Combat Area Casualty File (CACF) as of November 1993. The CACF is the basis for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial (The Wall):

Average age of 58,148 killed in Vietnam was 23.11 years. (Although 58,169 names are in the Nov. 93 database, only 58,148 have both event date and birth date. Event date is used instead of declared dead date for some of those who were listed as missing in action)(CACF)

Category Deaths Average Age
Total 58,148 23.11 years
Enlisted 50,274 22.37 years
Officers 6,598 28.43 years
Warrants 1,276 24.73 years
E1 525 20.34 years
11B MOS 18,465 22.55 years
+++++++++++++++++++++

Note the 11B MOS above is job title of infantryman
so of 58,000 plus killed only 18,400 were grunts--who were primarily the under educated.
 

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I believe you are missing gmroz's point entirely. You seem to be under the assumption that he's taking the military for granted or bashing them. He's bashing REPUBLICANS. They are not one in the same.

Nice of you to wish a terrorist death on him and other "moonbats" though. Your lack of class equals your inability to read.

no(mr. dense bucket of denseness).......what i`m saying is that "democrats"..like yourself,and those in congress...that would vote against terrorist surveillance/for closing gitmo and releasing prisoners/that would vote to have terrorists held here in the states with geneva convention rights and lawyers like haskell(that may be a left handed compliment,counselor:SIB )...which any moron with one iota of common sense know is ridiculous and a recipe for disaster....like those at colleges on the west coast that want rotc recruitment banned from campuses....not for one moment considering that the military is the entity that guarantees their right to act like idjits... .......these "people' put the rest of us at increased risk......

what i`m saying is that it`s a damned shame that the fools that choose to play fast and loose with terrorism,can`t reap what they sow without placing the rest of us in danger......you guys can ride your flaming liberal jalopy of insanity(in your case, a ford pinto with no brakes) off a cliff for all i care......i just wish we weren`t joined at the hip...

you remind me of the ny times....you double down on your hate america, socialist nonsense and then wonder why the delis won't buy an ad or the vending machine has spit all over it......

it makes my head hurt to think about the vacuum cleaner noise that must be going on between liberal`s ears....

all that said,how you doin` smurph?......that little"i am woman" limmerick must`ve really stung,even though it was intended to just get a laugh........

i was kidding...it was just some good natured ball busting........

i took the time to fashion a little diddy just for you.....i thought you`d get a laugh out of it...

it was harmless....

now please wake up...
 

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We are advancing with educated soldiers. We better do to the rest of the world will. And the nature of weapons in use. We Came a long way since WW I when most had went through 10th grade only.
 

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Sorry Weasel, I didn't even your limerick. It looked boring......same as you.
 

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I/O: Our educational system is broken. One BIG reason is the lack of funding. Who do you expect to recruit as teachers when the pay starts in the mid 30's? Come on. Do you know what kind of talent you get in the corporate world for 35k? I won't go into details, but it's not people in demand.

So, you start breaking the system by not encouraging talented people to become educators. Next, you cut funding to individual institutions. The funding cuts lead to cuts in extra-curricular (sp?) activities (music, art) and that inhibits creative growth. The funding cuts also lead to job cuts and then classroom overcrowding. Overcrowding means less individual attention. It just spirals from there.

While our educational system is broken, so is our means to pay for higher education. The fact that you have to pay over six figures for a college education is a travesty. That fact alone eliminates a lot of opportunity for truly "higher education" (sorry Walsh College, University of Phoenix, and ITT Tech grads, but that isn't higher ed.).

On a personal level, I can tell you that I wasn't exposed to the concept of compound interest until I was in my second year of grad school. That's ridiculous. I didn't learn about basic financial concepts until I was 20 years into my educational career. There's something really wrong with that.

I guess the summation of the above is that you get what you pay for when it comes to who's running the system.

-Gary

(FWIW) I grew up with a guy that is a high school teacher. We were pretty close, knew his parents, brother and now his wife. Haven't talked to him of late because our lives have gone different ways. He teaches at Main East here which would not be considered an area income wise or a district money wise as Chicago's. Ten years ago, he told me you could put your time in, get tenure or whatever that bs is, retire at 100,000 to 110,000, and get a large chunk of that for the rest of your life. HIS opinions of most of the teachers at this very large school was that they hated their job and especially the kids. Of course, teaching 6 year olds for little money may be considered commendable by some, but this is an example of when they don't want to do the dirty work. Teachers I had in high school right down the street (different district though) were much the same lame disfunctional idiots. None if any real life experience to give them the ability to comment about anything out of the teaching program that was assigned to them. As a matter of fact, most of he one's I had never made it past year one or two before being dumped to use their "over educated worthlessness" to steal money elsewhere. It's only a matter of time before the political strength of the union in these parts has degraded enough to where they will have to be accountable for the bottom line. Just because someone REALLY REALLY wants to put out a building fire, doesn't mean they have any real shot at doing it. Just because someone REALLY REALLY wants to teach, and THINKS they would be good at it, means nothing when the whole time they ARE FAILING.

Nothing towards you G

but teachers in general are unable to function outside of the little bubble their union has created for them. If ever they depending on whatever abilities they have for a living outside of teaching, they starve to death. Yes, even the many fat ones.

They carry some kind of arrogant attitude like they should be held in some kind of high regard. Don't ever make them accountable though.

I'd have absolutely no problem putting more money into the system, as long as asses got canned for lack of performance. I believe they are now closing down schools that don't perform here.

If you decide to make a career out of any field, the hazards go with it as well as the benifits. Teachers come into the field knowing the limitations, then cry away well after the fact. They can't do anything else so they should shut up (or go ahead and leave to another field). Yes, even the fat ones.
 
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