Mitt Romney Proposes $8 Trillion Welfare Program for Defense Contractors; Prepare for

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Mitt Romney Proposes $8 Trillion Welfare Program for Defense Contractors; Prepare for Two Wars if Romney Wins[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]by Mike "Mish" Shedlock[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][/FONT]​
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]I sit back in amazement and watch Republicans self-destruct with ridiculous proposal after ridiculous proposal.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Let's ponder two plans, neither of which is going anywhere, and one of them may very well cost Mitt Romney the election should he win the nomination.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Ryan Plan Revives Deficit Duel[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Wall Street Journal reports Ryan Plan Revives Deficit Duel[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Rep. Paul Ryan's budget instantly became the centerpiece of an election-year debate over the size of government on Tuesday, thrusting back into the spotlight a topic ? the deficit ? that has been largely overlooked by the presidential candidates.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Mr. Ryan (R., Wis.), who heads the House Budget Committee, said his plan would put the U.S. on a sound economic path by spending $5.3 trillion less than Mr. Obama recommends over 10 years, resulting in a budget deficit that would be $3.3 trillion narrower.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Let's pause right there for a second. The deficit is about $1.4 trillion. If the US lapses back into a recession at any time, (something I think is highly likely) it will worsen. Cutting $5.3 trillion over 10 years, is $530 billion a year, still leaving deficit spending at $900 billion a year, not counting the odds of a recession.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Let's continue with a few more snips ...[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Congressional budgets by nature lack specifics ? those are provided in spending bills that come later ? and this one was no different. Still, Mr. Ryan made some things clear. Most dramatically, he proposed repealing Mr. Obama's health law.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The plan also would cut the top tax rates for corporations and individuals to 25% from 35%, creating just two brackets for individuals, 10% and 25%.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Mr. Ryan angered Democrats, and privately frustrated some Republicans, by proposing a $1.028 trillion cap on discretionary spending for next year, a figure that excludes formula-based programs such as Social Security and Medicare. The two parties, after weeks of negotiation, had agreed on a level of $1.047 trillion in a deal in August.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Mr. Ryan said he was taking into account another section of that deal, which requires across-the-board cuts of $97 billion beginning in January, $55 billion of that in defense. Party leaders are planning to negotiate a way to restructure those cuts, probably after the election. Mr. Ryan's plan instead directs six House committees to come up with cuts by May that total a similar amount.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Ryan Reneges on Defense Cuts[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Notice that Ryan cannot even stand for a measly $55 billion cut in defense spending instead wanting to cut entitlements. Yes, entitlements should be cut, but so should defense spending.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]This proposal is doomed from the get-go. It is both pointless, and weak. All Ryan has proven is that he is a deficit-cutting wimp. If you are going to start another budget war, at least have the decency to propose a balanced one.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Ron Paul alone wants to balance the budget. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Searching for Sings of Intelligent Thought[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The only possible conclusions for Ryan's proposals are: He is brain-dead. He does not want a deal for political reasons.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Although it's frequently hard to see signs of intelligent life from either party in Congress, I will give Ryan the benefit of the doubt, suggesting that he purposely wants to antagonize Democrats for political reasons.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]No Deal Coming[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]A USA Today Editorial states GOP budget hurts prospects for deficit deal.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]If anything is obvious from the past several years of budget wrangling, it's that meaningful progress on the federal deficit will require a grand, bipartisan deal of the kind that President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner were negotiating last summer before their talks collapsed.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Democrats will have to give ground on the entitlement programs that are swallowing the federal budget. Republicans will have to compromise on tax revenue.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]If that is too tall an order during a presidential election year, the two parties should at least avoid fanning flames that will make future deals harder to achieve.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]What's most galling, however, is that the plan would violate the terms of the stopgap budget deal worked out last summer. It would breach the cap on defense spending and take money from other areas. It is hard to imagine a better way to undermine prospects for a broad long-term deficit deal than for one side to go back on its word.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]As for Democrats, they need to get their heads out of the sand. The argument that they can simply "protect" Medicare against marauding Republicans does not square with reality. While prudent tax hikes can buy some time, and cuts in other spending might be in order, the biggest threats to the nation's solvency by far are health care and retirement entitlements.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Democrats' response to Ryan's latest plan was both predictable and troubling. Even before the plan was out, they launched a Medi-scare campaign of letter-writing and robocalls targeting 41 vulnerable Republican incumbents.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]But, in an era in which both parties try to pawn off partisanship as patriotism, why let the facts get in the way of a good attack ad? Perhaps after this year's election, when big spending cuts and tax hikes are slated to take effect, the two sides will seriously address the long-term fiscal problems the nation faces. After all, notwithstanding the fantasies of party leaders, a sweeping deficit reduction package enacted on a party-line basis is not going to happen.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Mitt Romney Proposes $8 Trillion Welfare Program for Defense Contractors[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]As noted above, Ryan's proposal is seriously misguided at best. Unfortunately, Romney's plan is far worse.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Please consider A Lesson in Republican Math: Throwing Money at the Pentagon[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]If you?ve been fretting about faltering math education and falling test scores here in the United States, you should be worried based on this campaign season of Republican math. When it comes to the American military, the leading Republican presidential candidates evidently only learned to add and multiply, never subtract or divide.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Despite current Pentagon budgets that have hovered at the highest levels since World War II and 13 years of steady growth, the administration?s latest plans would only reduce spending at the Department of Defense by 1.6% in inflation-adjusted dollars over the next five years.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Still, compared to his main Republican opponents, Obama is a T. rex of budget slashers.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]After all, despite their stated commitment to reducing the deficit (while cutting taxes on the rich yet more), the Republican contenders are intent on raising Pentagon spending dramatically. Mitt Romney has staked out the ?high ground? in the latest round of Republican math with a proposal to set Pentagon spending at 4% of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP). That would, in fact add up to an astonishing $8.3 trillion dollars over the next decade, one-third more than current, already bloated Pentagon plans.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Nathan Hodge of the Wall Street Journal engaged in polite understatement when he described the Romney plan as ?the most optimistic forecast U.S. defense manufacturers have heard in months.?[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In fact, Romney?s proposal implies that the Pentagon is essentially an entitlement program that should receive a set share of our total economic resources regardless of what?s happening here at home or elsewhere on the planet. In Romney World, the Pentagon?s only role would be to engorge itself. If the GDP were to drop, it?s unlikely that, as president, he would reduce Pentagon spending accordingly.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Rick Santorum has spent far less time describing his military spending plans, but a remark at a Republican presidential debate in Arizona suggests that he is at least on the same page with Romney.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Mitt Romney at Sea[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]But let?s stick with the Republican frontrunner (or stumbler). What exactly would Romney spend all this money on?[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]For starters, he?s a humongous fan of building big ships, generally the most expensive items in the Pentagon budget. He has pledged to up Navy ship purchases from 9 to 15 per year, a rise of 50%.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Romney is also a major supporter of missile defense ? and not just the current $9-$10 billion a year enterprise being funded by the Obama administration, primarily designed to blunt an attack by long-range North Korean missiles that don?t exist. Romney wants a ?full, multi-layered? system.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]That sounds suspiciously like the Ronald Reagan-style fantasy of an ?impermeable shield? over the United States against massive nuclear attack that was abandoned in the late 1980s because of its staggering expense and essential impracticality.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]If the development of Romney?s high-priced version of a missile shield were again on the American agenda, it would be a godsend for big weapons-makers like Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and Raytheon, but would add nothing to the defense of this country. In fact, it stands a reasonable chance of making things worse. Given the overkill represented by the thousands of nuclear warheads in the American arsenal, the prospect of a nuclear missile attack on the United States is essentially nil.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Ensuring a Cost-Overrun Presidency[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]If you were hoping that, with an eye to fighting yet more disastrous wars in the Greater Middle East like the $3 trillion fiasco in Iraq, the U.S. would raise ever larger armies, then Mitt?s your man. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Prepare for Two Wars if Romney Wins[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Should Mitt Romney win election this November, prepare for two wars.[/FONT]

  1. [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]War with Iran[/FONT]
  2. [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Trade War with China[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Both would be stupid and both will cost trillions of dollars.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Actually, the sane thing to do is prepare for two wars regardless of who wins. The odds may be lower under Obama, but that is the best one can say.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Republican Self-Destruction[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The self-destruction of Republicans is very painful to watch because I am not a Democrat and do not like President Obama in the least.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Unfortunately, some Republican proposals are so out of whack with what needs to happen that independents are highly likely to make a lesser-of-two-evils choice of Obama over whoever the Republican nominee is.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Given the strong likelihood Republicans manage to hold the House, a divided Congress and a divided executive-legislative split might easily be the best we can hope for.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]I am writing in Ron Paul. The chips will fall, how they fall.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Hopefully Republicans get their act together in 2016 because this was a pathetic performance.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Reprinted with permission from Global Economic Analysis.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]March 22, 2011[/FONT]​
 
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Another vote here for Ron Paul or whoever the Libertarian is.

After watching him in action in the debates, there is no way I can vote for Romney. Agree with them or not, Santorum, Gingrich or The Misguided and Incompetent Obama at least have a core set of convictions that they adhere to...I respect that.

Romney will do, say and believe anything just to get elected. It is hard to believe the Republicans cannot find someone who can beat one of the worse presidents of all time.
 

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Another vote here for Ron Paul or whoever the Libertarian is.

After watching him in action in the debates, there is no way I can vote for Romney. Agree with them or not, Santorum, Gingrich or The Misguided and Incompetent Obama at least have a core set of convictions that they adhere to...I respect that.

Romney will do, say and believe anything just to get elected. It is hard to believe the Republicans cannot find someone who can beat one of the worse presidents of all time.

Bob, with the exception of calling Obama one of the worst presidents of all time, I agree what you're saying. I'm voting the same as you. Ron Paul is the only one that seems sane on the Republican side, and he doesn't get any love from the conservative base. The part about Romney doing/saying ANYTHING to get elected is absolutely true. The Daily Show has done a great job illustrating this over the past 6 months.
 

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I expect Gary Johnson to get the nod as the Libertarian nominee and, if so, they will work to get him on the big stage in the debates.

Gary Johnson is a vote in the right direction, IMHO.
 

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Lumi:
They can bash Ryan's budget and to be honest, I have not even read through the thing but I give them props for HAVING A PROPOSAL.

US has not passed a budget in over 3 years yet we wonder why deficit spending is sky rocketing?

Seriously....the American people should be pissed off over this. I do not care if you want what they have been spending on or not, the fact that the people that have been elected are operating in this manner shows what a true farce it really is.
 

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I expect Gary Johnson to get the nod as the Libertarian nominee and, if so, they will work to get him on the big stage in the debates.

Gary Johnson is a vote in the right direction, IMHO.

I have been hearing this dude's name off and on for awhile now. Be interested to hear what he brings to the table.
 

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I have been hearing this dude's name off and on for awhile now. Be interested to hear what he brings to the table.

He is a very hard work, self starting man, who rose to the top by starting off as a handy man and built it to a successful large business. A little bit of a Bohemian Spirit in the Man for sure !

BTW Gary,

I found some interesting sites I think you would be interested in. :0008

To get Ron Paul closer to the Oval Office, there needs to be more awareness of the VOTER FRAUD that is going on in this country and the media participation.
 

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I voted for Ross Perot, i'll never waste my vote again with a candidate that has NO chance, i'll take the LESSER of two evils, and that isn't Obama.

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Gary Johnson was also the governor of New Mexico. He shares many views with Ron Paul and I would be very comfortable voting for him.

Unfortunately, it will take many years but, I think you will continue to see the Liberatarian vote rise and that's why I don't consider it a wasted vote but, instead part of the building process to convince more people who are unhappy with the two party process that there is a viable alternative for governance.

Of course the media doesn't want this since they thrive on the current gridlock so they cover Paul the way they do and will do everything possible to keep Johnson out of the debates. That's not a conspiracy, it is just that each network is now closely aligned with one of the two major parties.

I also watch The Daily Show and Colbert everynight although I think John Stewart is getting a little too full of himself and needs to be reminded it's a comedy show not his individual forum to get back at everyone who was mean to his mother. Colbert is consistently on the mark.
 
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Gary Johnson was also the governor of New Mexico. He shares many views with Ron Paul and I would be very comfortable voting for him.

Unfortunately, it will take many years but, I think you will continue to see the Liberatarian vote rise and that's why I don't consider it a wasted vote but, instead part of the building process to convince more people who are unhappy with the two party process that there is a viable alternative for governance.

Of course the media doesn't want this since they thrive on the current gridlock so they cover Paul the way they do and will do everything possible to keep Johnson out of the debates. That's not a conspiracy, it is just that each network is now closely aligned with one of the two major parties.

I also watch The Daily Show and Colbert everynight although I think John Stewart is getting a little too full of himself and needs to be reminded it's a comedy show not his individual forum to get back at everyone who was mean to his mother. Colbert is consistently on the mark.

People that believe voting third party is a "wasted vote" are a big part of the problem. If you take a stand for what you believe in, you aren't wasting shit. You're voicing your opinion. The more of us that opt out of this two party sham, the better. Even if there isn't a viable third party in our lifetime, if enough people vote 3rd party, someone is going to go after those votes.

Cheers. :toast:
 

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People that believe voting third party is a "wasted vote" are a big part of the problem. If you take a stand for what you believe in, you aren't wasting shit. You're voicing your opinion. The more of us that opt out of this two party sham, the better. Even if there isn't a viable third party in our lifetime, if enough people vote 3rd party, someone is going to go after those votes.

Cheers. :toast:

Obama supporters like it.

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Both parties suck, they both spend and on what? I will give Obama some credit on trying to tax the ultra rich which would help the deficit but he gets blocked on that all the time. These fucking big businesses get big tax breaks, able to hide money etc. and guess what they aren't hiring anybody anyway with the so call money they are saving on "tax breaks." Look again at Koch Industries.. Holy shit, do people realize why they give so much money to the republican party? It's to put more money in their pocket and less to you and I. Why do you think Koch industries and other big businesses want to bust unions? Again to screw over the public.


Then for me it comes down to personal beliefs and being with the times, to me the Republican Candidates are stuck in the 50s.. They need to face reality, the county isn't the classic loving family with mom and dad and 2 - 3 smiling children like on a"Father Knows Best." Don't you get the feeling that republican only care for straight, white people? It makes my skin crawl.

Then the religious aspect some bring is alarming as well. Scott Walker and Santorum want to take out sex education and teach "abstinence." Again back to "Father Knows Best." Teaching abstinence sounds great in a perfect world, but it's not a perfect world.

What is with this republican philosophy of cutting on education? We need to look into bettering education not hindering it. To me education should be revamped and should be a top priority, not more defense spending and that goes for both parties..

I'm not saying Obama is doing a great job either, spend spend spend but I would rather them spend money helping people in need and getting fucked by a few people who abuse the system than line the pockets of the ultra rich. I truly believe Obama's camp is sincere about turning things around and getting the nation on track which is more than I can say about the previous regime and it still sticks in my mind.

Not to blame Bush anymore but visualize the country's problems when he took over office, then visualize the county's problems when he was done.
OK now do the same for Obama from the time he started til now.. One started with a cluster fuck and still is one.
 
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I think we all agree the tax code is broken.

The problem with taxing anyone more (including the rich) is that it gives these incompetents more money to spend, which they will do, rather than being forced...like every American household...to eliminate waste.

We spend too much on the military and we spend too much on entitlements and we spend too much on foreign aid...fill in the blank.

Most don't mind at all if we eliminate tax breaks and concessions (some will argue that is a tax increase) but, taking increased taxes off the table is the only way government will be forced to control spending.

The career politicians of course won't tackle this problem and tell the truth because they want to get elected and, unfortunately, every four years we endorse this behavior by electing another figurehead instead of a leader.
 

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I think we all agree the tax code is broken.

The problem with taxing anyone more (including the rich) is that it gives these incompetents more money to spend, which they will do, rather than being forced...like every American household...to eliminate waste.

We spend too much on the military and we spend too much on entitlements and we spend too much on foreign aid...fill in the blank.

Most don't mind at all if we eliminate tax breaks and concessions (some will argue that is a tax increase) but, taking increased taxes off the table is the only way government will be forced to control spending.

The career politicians of course won't tackle this problem and tell the truth because they want to get elected and, unfortunately, every four years we endorse this behavior by electing another figurehead instead of a leader.

YES YES YES!!
 

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STOP PAYING TAXES !

EVERYONE ! STOP PAYING TAXES TO THE WASHINGTON, UNITED NATIONS MAFIA !

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