needs a point guard......Stokes should be in the Patriot or Ivy League.......he is out of his element.....maybe his hair makes him slow?
mizzou
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Yeah he is a point-guard---and a point-guards main job is to take care of the ball--he is turnover prone---and to add the fact that noone guards him---Kansas played off him all night helping on Rush---giving Rush tough shots all night.--------Kansas shot the hell out the ball--62%---it does not matter who you play---62%is going to get it done every night.--Not to mention--the refs gave Kansas every call------Your right home court is huge in Big 12----but the refs will never give any team calls if they play weak and turn the ball over.--------Lost a little on Mizzou--but the totals in College balanced that loss.
i actually didn't think the refs were that bad tonight....you shouldda seen them at Tech on Saturday......lol.....maybe it was jsut in comparison to that......Mizzou played weak and I almost pulled the trigger on Kansas at halftime.....shoulda wouldda couldda.....put more on the over though so came through the game in the plus.....bad call on Mizzou......decision of Roy to play 3 guards won this one for him going away......
I have been saying Kansas is the 1 team that can compete and if play a full 40 mins can beat Duke--and i had them in my top 3 since last week---but after this win--we may see some inflated lines----public may be sold after this one----I'm waiting too see that road game where it looks easy----keep an eye out.
yep I think Kansas can match up as well as anyone on the perimeter and DUke will not be able to match up with COllison and Gooden inside.....Gooden is a stud......what a class that was -- Gooden, Heinrich, and Collison
Innavation
Innavation
Here's what you failed to mention:
Missouri is not athletic at all
Missouri does not play defense very well
Missouri does not play very hard on a regular basis
Missouri cannot shoot
Missouri cannot beat other teams off the dribble
Except for Clarence Gilbert. He is everything the rest of missouri is not. If it wasnt for him, they would probably have no shot at the ncaa tournament at all. I've always liked the way he played. I like it a lot more considering how much the rest of his team just sucks. I don't know what the fuhk is wrong with Rush this year, but he sucks ass now.
Innavation
As soon as I read that I knew that you took Mizzou. How can you say that? If anything, Kansas was getting shorted on the calls. I never understood how someone can't just give another team credit for playing better than the team they took. If all else fails, simply blame the refs.
Here's what you failed to mention:
Missouri is not athletic at all
Missouri does not play defense very well
Missouri does not play very hard on a regular basis
Missouri cannot shoot
Missouri cannot beat other teams off the dribble
Except for Clarence Gilbert. He is everything the rest of missouri is not. If it wasnt for him, they would probably have no shot at the ncaa tournament at all. I've always liked the way he played. I like it a lot more considering how much the rest of his team just sucks. I don't know what the fuhk is wrong with Rush this year, but he sucks ass now.
Missouri
Missouri
Missouri is my team since I was 4 years old. Last night was one of the most embarassing moments in all of mizzou history. As far as Stokes he shouldn't even be on the court. He showed alot of promise as a freshman but the sophomore slump is evident. The team misses Brian Grawer in the worst way.
Four year ago when Kapono and Dooling had both commited to Missouri things were looking up for the future. Those are the two players that Missouri needs the most right now. Kapono changed his mind and Dooling went pro early. Now we are stuck thin at the point guard. Gilbert should be playing 35 minutes a game at point guard against top notch teams. That's our only chance.
Missouri
Missouri is my team since I was 4 years old. Last night was one of the most embarassing moments in all of mizzou history. As far as Stokes he shouldn't even be on the court. He showed alot of promise as a freshman but the sophomore slump is evident. The team misses Brian Grawer in the worst way.
Four year ago when Kapono and Dooling had both commited to Missouri things were looking up for the future. Those are the two players that Missouri needs the most right now. Kapono changed his mind and Dooling went pro early. Now we are stuck thin at the point guard. Gilbert should be playing 35 minutes a game at point guard against top notch teams. That's our only chance.
Stewy
Stewy
I don't think anyone could have beat them the way they played Missouri.
Kansas always amazes me. The year you think they should be really good, they choke. Then when everybody is overlooking them, they put it to everyone.
I wasn't too impressed with Gooden last year, but he sure has elevated his game this year, and Hinrich is becoming a mean son of a bitch...
OK enough of that, I think I hear dr. freeze coming.........
Stewy
I don't think anyone could have beat them the way they played Missouri.
Kansas always amazes me. The year you think they should be really good, they choke. Then when everybody is overlooking them, they put it to everyone.
I wasn't too impressed with Gooden last year, but he sure has elevated his game this year, and Hinrich is becoming a mean son of a bitch...
OK enough of that, I think I hear dr. freeze coming.........
Rush is getting double teamed every time down. He's not kicking the ball out enough to the open man. Either he doesn't have the confidence in them or the ability to get it to them. I think it's probably the latter. He's forcing a lot of tough shots through the double teams. It's amazing he actually made 6 of the 19 shots he took last night.
The radio guys here said that Coach Snyder didn't look like he had a game plan (They also said that Mizzou looked the same way in the K-State game). They let KU dictate what was going to happen and eventually it caught up with them.
Calls for Quinn Snyder's head are suppose to be on tigerboard.com.
Yes, Kansas is a top five team. But Mizzou is not getting enough out their players abilities. I think bad coaching is a big part of the problem.
The radio guys here said that Coach Snyder didn't look like he had a game plan (They also said that Mizzou looked the same way in the K-State game). They let KU dictate what was going to happen and eventually it caught up with them.
Calls for Quinn Snyder's head are suppose to be on tigerboard.com.
Yes, Kansas is a top five team. But Mizzou is not getting enough out their players abilities. I think bad coaching is a big part of the problem.
I beg to differ. Nobody is running any gimmick defenses on them like box and 1 on Rush or anything. He is just not athletic like the rest of his team. Nobody is doing anything special as far as changing their gameplan specifically for him or anyone on that team.
Rush isn't physically strong so the man playing defense on him can push him out of position and put him off his shot. He's probably the world's greatest "horse" player-- when no one's guarding him.
I read the box score today. Kansas shot 62% from the field. That is fuhking ridiculous. They probably only shot about 80% in pregame shootaround.
There is no situation in basketball in which even moderately good defense is played, and the opponent shoots 62%. We could play Kansas with only 4 guys on the floor at a time and they'd be hard pressed to shoot 62%.
Missouri needs to start playing D in a big way if they want to even make the tournament.
Kansas shot layups and open 3's all night........that attributes their high percentage
lottsa layups came from poor defense and lack of a point guard....against pressure defense you have to have a guy that can take it to the rim and create........gilbert cannot do that.....he has no short range jumper....every time he tried he threw a brick off the glass or something but that is not in his game
Rush lacks quickness and or ballhandling to get by good guards.....he can shoot, but a guard pressing him and he can't get around them and has to force a fall away
Mizzou also had lots of problems entering the ball to the post....that is a lost art on most teams.....the post entry pass....
They pretty much just got run off the court and there was nothing Quin could do because he does not have the personnel. He needs a point guard to play in this league. Without one, you cannot beat good teams
He made the adjustment and spread the floor in the second half which is what you should do against the kind of passing lanes/pressure defense......it did not work because he had no one to break down the defense with the dribble.....absolutely nothing you can do about that and i don't think it was poor coaching.....he needs to call coach Mack up and ask him how to recruit a point guard
lottsa layups came from poor defense and lack of a point guard....against pressure defense you have to have a guy that can take it to the rim and create........gilbert cannot do that.....he has no short range jumper....every time he tried he threw a brick off the glass or something but that is not in his game
Rush lacks quickness and or ballhandling to get by good guards.....he can shoot, but a guard pressing him and he can't get around them and has to force a fall away
Mizzou also had lots of problems entering the ball to the post....that is a lost art on most teams.....the post entry pass....
They pretty much just got run off the court and there was nothing Quin could do because he does not have the personnel. He needs a point guard to play in this league. Without one, you cannot beat good teams
He made the adjustment and spread the floor in the second half which is what you should do against the kind of passing lanes/pressure defense......it did not work because he had no one to break down the defense with the dribble.....absolutely nothing you can do about that and i don't think it was poor coaching.....he needs to call coach Mack up and ask him how to recruit a point guard
Rush and Gilbert
Rush and Gilbert
Rush and Gilbert deserve no critisism. They are basically the whole team right now.
Rush and Gilbert
Rush and Gilbert deserve no critisism. They are basically the whole team right now.
We all must be watching different games. I'm going to put the following quotes together:
Referring to Rush:
And my favorite:
You've pretty much describe MY game!! Who would've thought Kareem Rush and I pretty much have the same skills!!!!
I think this is a bit harsh. I specifically recall one of the shots Rush made. It was a turnaround 12 footer on the baseline with two guys in his face. Not a great shot to take, but he was smothered a good part of the evening. If he did get by his man, there was excellent help defense because he was KU's focus (for good reason).
Rush needs to pass more and the Tigers need to take advantage of the open looks that will be created by Rush getting all the defensive attention.
Referring to Rush:
And my favorite:
You've pretty much describe MY game!! Who would've thought Kareem Rush and I pretty much have the same skills!!!!
I think this is a bit harsh. I specifically recall one of the shots Rush made. It was a turnaround 12 footer on the baseline with two guys in his face. Not a great shot to take, but he was smothered a good part of the evening. If he did get by his man, there was excellent help defense because he was KU's focus (for good reason).
Rush needs to pass more and the Tigers need to take advantage of the open looks that will be created by Rush getting all the defensive attention.
If Rush thinks he's ready for tht NBA... he better think again....another year sure won't hurt.....yes, he has a great fade away but refuses to drive the hoop... he had a blocked shot in the first five minutes and stuck to the perimeter..... I think he is easily intimidated inside by quality players. Gooden has been exceptional this year. Mizzou's lack of defense is embarrassing.
Old Norm must kinda get a chuckle when he watches this team play against top tier opponents. At least he demanded his teams play defense.
Old Norm must kinda get a chuckle when he watches this team play against top tier opponents. At least he demanded his teams play defense.
i hesitate to point out the obvious, but Stokes is the greatest defensive liability. He regularly has to pick his jock up off the court. Because he gets broke down so often, his man burns them or someone is left open because others have to slide over to help on Stokes' man. He isn't the only problem, but when he's on the court, he's the main problem.
Take Rush, Gilbert and Missouri and exchange them with Evans, Recker and Iowa and everything that has been said here works as well...
