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from one of your most enthusiastic supporters, and one who avoids controversial subjects, here is an exception:

not to take anything away from the final results, winner and runner-ups, the way the acesgold contest was run just plain "sucked".

as a mature person, and not one to upset the contest itself, i made a silent complaint from week 1; was told (by jack) that there was nothing that could be done about it; kept quiet all this time, and now that it is over, i feel i must blast the way that contest was run.

the fact that running the contest in itself is quite a task, as i myself have done on 3 ocassions, does not mean that it has to run "my capricious way". maybe the guys involved are the nicest guys in the world, but this was plain WRONG, and for no good reason:

1. all solid lines were added a + 1/2 point hook just because someone felt that they did not want to see any ties.

2. pre-sunday games were not offered because it is too much trouble to visually check the time sequence of postings, or, if computer time/date "cheating" was possible, it meant that one of many of mj's staff had to manually "lock" the thread just before a thursday or sat. game, and finally,

3. despite my public plea (once) to have the standings in order of standings, they were left in alphabetical order, yet they were done so for the leaders, meaning that is was actually an extra step to "isolate" the leaders standings, as opposed to showing them all. this presentation is essential to make us see where we are in relation to others and try to improve our standing, sort of our challenge, whether we are in the middle or trying to avoid the bottom.

it took an outsider's extra effort to make his own database and present us with the standings in that order (goofy). thank you, goofy.

none of the things mentioned here take much effort. the biggest effort in running the contests are setting them up and then keeping up with the dropouts. ties make absolutely no difference in the amount of work involved, and the visual check for late postings takes not more than 5 minutes. even when we oversee something, there are always a couple of contestants that will bring it up to our attention, publicly or privately.

fellows: the distortion created by the 1/2 point hook is app. -110 +100, or a 210 difference between those on one side or the other of that tie, then multiply that by all the people who chose sides in those games and you have a sizable difference at the end of the season. some contestants got "creamed", while others benefitted to the hilt, while others fell on both sides fairly even.

how many times did it happen this year? i have no idea, nor care to dig into it. suffice it so say that it happened many times. it happened enough times to distort my final standing by a few hundred (short), as well as a few others, just like a few others had a few hundred "added". i am sure i am not the only one fell on either side of this category.

sure, we all know that over the long run, like 5-10 years, it will all equal out, but not in one season.

i for one, not every week, but some weeks, break my a... handicapping, only to find that at the time of posting, the 3 became a 3.5, etc. i just have to go with my original picks, and opposed to starting over to see if the 1/2 point should warrant skipping it, and then, loooking for another pick at the last minute.

so in essence, if i did not gamble, i would just handicap the contest with its own lines and days and games and all is dandy, but since i do, i would be forced to do a "second" handicap or revision, and add or eliminate games that seem too critical to get an additional hook, especially those falling on 3.5, 4.5, 7.5 when giving them. also, from my original picks, i would have to drop any games that are played on thur, sat, etc.
see what i am getting at? isn't the purpose of the contest to emulate the real gambling world?

anyone wants to post their opinion, fine, but i'm outta of this thread. i just had to let it out. capicce?

pep
 

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Everyone played on equal grounding. Any contest can be 'nit-picked' at or whatever, but I'm under the assumption these rules were made prior to the contest starting and before anyone sent money to enter. If you read the rules, accepted them, decided to enter, and there was no 'foul play' or whatever during the contest...how can anyone bitch?
 

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i can't even believe what i just read. i'm speechless. i don't have time now, to respond, but i'll answer up later tonight after my son's basketball game and probably after the ravens game.

sorry you feel that way, but i guess i already knew that.

talk to you later.
 

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I wasn't in this contest and I didn't even know about this contest, so I hope what I say won't be taken as sour grapes.

The practice of adding a half-point to every game so as to avoid ties is ridiculous. It serves no purpose whatsoever (since contestants can still deadlock), and causes exactly the type of problems pep mentions, where, after days of handicapping, you suddenly have to readjust because you're forced to give the hook. It also creates a huge advantage for anyone sharp enough to be able to calculate the exact effects of getting or giving the particular half-point in question, and my impression has been that the great majority of contest organizers would rather set themselves on fire than run a contest that actually gives an advantage to smart people, traditionally among the most hated individuals in our society.

There's no reason you shouldn't get half a point for a push and a full point for a win. Changing the lines for no rational reason diminishes the handicapping factor that the contest is supposed to measure.

I do feel that the name of the sponsoring book, which is th best book in the history of western civilization, should have been left off this bitching thread.

Just my .02.
 

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It's a contest......CONTEST people...meaning they have rules....RULES.....meaning you have to read....READ RULES.....then you make your decision....DECISION PEOPLE DECISION...meaning YOU have the CHOICE to PLAY by THEIR RULES or not play at all....yes that might diminish the handicapping factor but its THEIR CONTEST....I pretty much call it GREED if you read the rules of the contest then bitch and moan about the rules after it is all said and done.....my only advice to these type of people is to get some CORRECTIVE lenses so you can READ the RULES..

KMAC

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Jesus Christ, what's your problem? Is it wrong to complain about the laws of our country and try to have them changed? No, it's the fundamental basis of democracy! So what's the big deal here? The guy waited until the contest was over, then he made his point. It didn't sound to me like he was trying to get the results changed. What the hell is wrong with trying to improve something?
 

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First and foremost it's NOT a law, meaning that you don't have a CHOICE whether to abide by it or not....get that thru your skull...secondly, from what I can tell this person knew the rules and he paid to enter this CONTEST knowing the RULES....If he didnt like the rules he should have kept his azzzzzz OUT.....that's were GREED takes over.

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Hoops let's check on this, shall we?

Aces Gold $5000 NFL Football Contest


RULES:

The contest will run through the entire NFL regular season.

Pick 5 games per week in the designated forum. YOU MUST play 5 games each week. Not 4 or 6 or 3. Any entries with less or more than 5 picks are disqualified for that week.

You may miss 3 weeks during the regular season. Missing 4 or more weeks disqualifies you from the competition. Deadline for entries is Sunday Sept. 23rd at 1:00 pm EST.

Lines will be posted no later than Wednesday of each week.

Standings will be posted no later than Tuesday of each week.

All picks are ATS (against the spread).

All picks are graded +$100 for a ?win? and -$110 for a ?loss?.

The contest thread closes each week on Sunday at 1:00pm EST.

NO EDITING OF YOUR POST You may change your picks by starting a new post ONLY after you have completely cleared your previous post. Failure to completely remove ALL TEXT from your previous post will disqualify your picks for that week. You only have 15 minutes to change your post, so check your selections very carefully.


ANY TIEBREAKERS WILL BE HELD DURING THE POST SEASON


I read the rules, obviously you see something extra here that I don't.
Nothing there about an added 1/2 point nor pre-Sunday games.


I wasn't in the contest either, but I certainly can see where Pep is coming from.
Kudos for waiting until after the contest was completed before venting.
Absolutely nothing wrong with trying to improve on anything, thats in need of it.

~~~Lanny




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Well slap a skirt on me and call me MYRTLE.......hot dayum.....I was under the impression like most people here that the HOOK was in the rules......so I am an Indian Giver that is taking back what I said....this is not good if the man paid the "money" then was told that they are going to add "hooks" to solid lines....I AGREE TOTALLY PEP....I would really be pissed off man....

KMAC
 

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Pepin don't feel bad i got absolutely ripped in the Vegas Insider pool. The outcome was fixed, as a participant was told if he entered he would be guaranteed to win. Contests are all scams stay away from them and play against the man.
 

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"Lock"- I read your post before you edited it, so you didn't need to bother taking out your comment. If you read my post you would notice I said "I'm under the assumption". I would normally take that to mean that I wasn't exactly sure what the rules were, not sure about yourself..I guess not. No, I wasn't clear on the rules, thank you for clarifying.

Regardless, this thread is a joke. And for the Count to somehow seque this complaint into the "fundamental basis of democracy" and the "laws of our country" is hilarious.

It was a "fun" contest that Jack and Aces put together. How many of those who entered really took extra time to evaluate the extra half-point for the games where the line was moved or know the worth of the extra halfpoint? I'll set the over/under at 1. This isn't the Hilton contest or something similar...it was an idea by Jack to start a contest that wasn't free and generate a nice prize for the winner. Everyone was on equal ground...did Cow or anyone else somehow have an advantage over anyone else? I don't think so. I didn't realize a friendly contest for the posters at Jack's was sure a big ordeal for those who entered it.

Sure, Pepin, Count and anybody else has the right to bitch and complain...just as I do or anyone else does to bitch and complain back at them.
 

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Lock ?
A take it you are referring to me.
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Evidently you were not "hip" to the rules hence.....Look before you leap which I promptly edited since didn't want this thread to turn into a pissing contest.

I,m simply stating Pep points are valid and
there is room for improvement.

the Lock
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Count- Thanks, I do appreciate it. Sorry my spelling isn't up to snuff..I'm no Patrick Henry or Thomas Jefferson..I'm stupid, no other excuse...really. You brought more amusement to me the other day though when you felt the need to complain to Tiger that he didn't include you in his NFL recap..so don't think this is the only time! Thanks man!

"Lock"- Yep, you are the only "Lock" that I know of on the forum. You are absolutely correct..I wasn't "hip" to the rules. As I said, regardless, this thread is ridiculous.
 

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Posted by Hoops:

"You brought more amusement to me the other day..."

Right, I mistyped a pick. Pretty embarrassing, have to admit. Forgot that disqualifies me from having an opinion on anything else. I repeat, I wasn't in the contest, so save your poorly-expressed venom for someone who cares.

"...this thread is ridiculous..."

Whether or not half-points should be added to contest lines is a legitimate thing to bring up in a place like this. If you think it's ridiculous, don't participate. Nothing in the thread is so ridiculous as your assertion that it was a "fun" contest and therefore (presumably) people shouldn't care.

"I'm stupid, no other excuse...I wasn't "hip" to the rules."

No comment.

"Thanks, man!"

What are you, 15 years old? Yo dude, you be welcome.
 
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